The Dark Knight Nolan=Miller

[Comic Book Boy]

But what is the truly important thing that makes "authors" like Miller and Nolan alike? Similarity in events or similarity in spirit, in feel? Sure, there are a bunch of factual similarities between what happens in Nolan's Batman and what happens in Miller's Batman. But the truth behind the character in what Nolan gave us, was much more akin to different authors than Miller.

I like Miller's Batman fine, but as a more extreme take to what I'd like Batman to be. Sort of "What if Batman went really wrong"?

Nolan's Batman, early in his career as he may be, is a positive character. Miller's is completely negative. He's a psychopath still haunted by the past, but no longer inspired by it. The Batman I prefer still believes in hope, in justice, even if that is naive. Miller's (even in Year One, not just DKR) is a cynical nutjob who just projects his immeasurable anger on everyone he meets, preferably criminals he can mortally wound.

So no, I really wouldn't say Nolan's Batman is like Miller's. Nolan used some of Miller's plot points, but that's it. Otherwise the character is completely different.

Check out Miller and Aronofski's script to the "Year One" movie. You'll see how radically different the approach is. You can't relate to that Batman. He's a joyless, selfish, needlessly aggressive machine. Not a thing like Nolan's take on the character.

I agree, true.

 

[PretentiousMan]

lol at comparing Nolan to the great Frank Miller.

 

[Steelsheen]

aaaand he's gone.

 

[itsthebatman]

he shone so brightly.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Ok so Ive been on a reading rampage of the Frank Miller Batman novels and I have begun to patch things together. Does anyone else suppose that Nolans script inspiration comes from Miller? Look at year one with the ending rooftop scenes, Gordon and a dirty Flass let alone entire dept. and so on. So maybe TDKR is...TDK....it has the same element minus Robin and it being the end of Batman and not the beginning. The Joker, Harvey Dent, an entire dept after Batman and the national guard. And I was reading and this is what made me develop this theory...Bruce Wayne says : I Believe In Harvey Dent. I might just be crazy or unexperienced and this thread will probably get the "this doesnt deserve its own thread" rundown...but I had to write this down lol Please discuss

I don't see it.

 

[Lord Thanos]

I agree, true.

please,batman needs not to be a yupie sap to entice emotion from me,i lov batman as a character because of what he does,so that being said millers batman is phenominal in a lot of respects(one being the question of what would thatt kind of power do to you ass a person)obsesion(he gets up every night(EVERY NIGHT)so i dont mind him being alittle obessed(in a proactive way that is

 

[Lord Thanos]

i dont get all the miller hate on these boards(u guys act like hes the girl in high school who never talked to u(not listing to fan boy bs.,a lot of u dont even properly put(as well as the many bat writers who have precided him) tdkr in its proper context,he's not the man of 25 with boundless optimism(so it seems even though its quite argueable than that its not bruce that changed so much but the world around him,meaning ispite of his percived attitude is the most optimistic character in the story) and energy.(he's a a guy who looses his heart and finds it again only to hav to stuggle to maintain it against:the cops,the army, the government,the media,superman,and yourself

 

[Lord Thanos]

its certainly stiil, the best bat tale by far,hell on subtext alone

 

[Lord Thanos]

by the way,all star batman is the ****,(batman,in his prime,with all the might of youth and determination,is tetering on the brink of maddness,

we need a bat tale like this,the dialogs realy good too(the absence of super hero speak is a wellcome change from what weve been bombarded with for the last 20 years

i think the truth of the matter is most of miller haters(lovers formaly)are still pissed about the dark knight strikes, and i cant blame you,it had so many revolutionaly ideas that fell flar on there face due to poor exicution:art and dialoge narative trajectory are the most guilty coulpriates,

and millers own reasion for this is quite laughable(or sad depending on you attachment)
i wanted to repeal all the realisim that dark knight and the comics idustry in genneral evolved into and take us back into a silver age yarn,YAWN,like a god bord with his god hood

here we had lex as the ****ing prez, and bats as a revoutionany figure trying to ride the world of injustice you would think a charcter with such mad hope woudl be perfect in millers hands right...
(the best scene)

 

[Lord Thanos]

any ''all star'' fans

 

[Lord Thanos]

any life out there

 

[Lord Thanos]

i hope we atleast see any trajicly obsessed batman in the miller/wolfman(90;s) mold

 

[Lord Thanos]

i do hope were given a trajicly obseesd bats in some form in the film,all indicators thus far hav pointed to it

 

[Juanigi]

all star is silly

 

[Comic Book Boy]

ALL STAR BATMAN is okay. Not the best.

 

[Juanigi]

The Absolute Silliest

 

[Lord Thanos]

how is the book silly discribe,ive only read the latist ish(with batman punching the cover)i loved this

''dark knight returns'' continuity people: lighten up you bland batman still gets shoe horned onto the comics rack with the rest of the coventional dreck(morrison recent run included)

does any one remember superman while he was off crushing the russians, was thinking about the past and how batman was the scape goat they(goverment) always needed to black ball the rest of the superheros , saying that bats always had a scary laugh,''that scary laugh of yours'' i love how he tyed that in there ,when batman in the latist ish(5 i belive) was prowling the rooftops insane with joy, pride and power.

 

[Juanigi]

even his laugh is silly

 

[Hobodeluxe]

WTH happened to Frank Miller?

I loved TDKR. Best story ever. Sin City was great. His Daredevil stuff was great. wth happened after that? it's like it just all went to his head and he thinks he can just do what he wants when he wants and the fans will stick by him? Not this fan. I've waited too long to ever give him another cent.
If he can't be bothered to complete work on time I can't be bothered to buy it.
They must have paid him up front for DKR2 and All Star.

All Star is a joke. it's worse than DKR2.
there's absolutely no reason this series should even be published.
WTF is this waiting all about? You get like one book a year? And it's poorly written. I think Miller is just pi$$ing all over the fanbase by dragging his feet on this project. D.C. should be apologizing for ever signing him to do All Star after what he did to them with DKR2. No comic company should ever pay him a penny until he delivers the entire thing and it meets their approval.
he's squandered any credibility he had to deliver the goods.

That said I would give my left nut to see TDKR fully realized on the big screen. It would have to be "r" rated. and would probably take 3 movies to do it right. but oh man would that be awesome.

 

[66 Face]

The Absolute Silliest

I wouldn't say silly. He's just a little 1D. IMO he's at his best when he's doing non Superhero books and making up his own characters.

When he's doing characters that have been around for 50 years and making them into something their not, it seems like he's doing it for shock value. Year One was great and easily one of my favorite Batman books but the other stuff is just garbage IMO. He makes Batman some loose cannon and kind of a jerk. Not the complex character that we've all come to know and love.

Give me the O'Neil and Adams comics over that anyday. They may be outdated but that was Batman at his best.

 

[ab38416]

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[Hole Shot]

All Star is a joke.

This statement obviously came prior to Batman calling Green Latern a ******.

 

[CaptainClown]

pfft All Star is awesome.. He calls green Lantern a ******ed demi-god. It is so over the top. Did you want a serious comic by Miller who is busier then sin.

 

[Bat-Gasm]

I can see the broad strokes and similar characters but the major themes seem different. (I am speculating obviously as I do not know the story of TDK) I can see you making this connection as the miller / Loeb and O’Neal stories are referenced as influences by Nolan and company. However Robin is essential in TDKR as she is used as a window into his world, and as the beginning of Bruce decision to build an army.

The theme for TDK seems to revolve more around escalation and sacrifice. It would appear to be a continuation of Bruce’s trial by fire, in which he is forged onto the Batman we know.

I may just be under the influence


But that speech sounded soooooooo tight in my head


That's how I read boards man....

As if everyone is always talking like they are infront of a council.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I enjoy Miller, but I don't consider him a Batman writer.

The Frank Miller that wrote Batman: Year One is not the same Frank Miller that wrote just about every Batman related thing he did.

Yep. Miller isn't the same Batman writer like he was when he did TDKR & Year One anymore. I really dislike how he treat Batman like in All-Star Batman & Robin. Especially with Batman asking if Dick Grayson is ****** or dense before he said the infamous line some fans love for some reason.