Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - - - Part 12

[Spider-Nerd]

I just ignore all of that and have decided that Bruce has been Batman for at least ten years

Anything that says otherwise is a typo

Totally agree with you Misti. Our own mental continuities are where it's at.

 

[Mystirious]

Darn right

I ignore all things I dislike about the continuity and invent my own

I am happier rejecting reality and living in a world of my own

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've just stopped caring about the timeline. I'm content to read Batman stories in the present and ignore all that other stuff. It's a shallower experience, but it's the best I can do with the New 52 stuff. Thankfully, Snyder's run has kept Batman pretty solitary so far, so I don't have to worry about proteges and how little sense they make.

 

[Mystirious]

This is the best attitude to have

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, the best attitude to have, I've been finding more and more lately, is to just ditch the comic altogether. I'm down to 7 regular DC ongoings now. I used to read like half their publishing line.

 

[Anubis]

How can you ignore the timeline when they keep doing stories referencing and contradicting the timeline?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Exceptional talent? Also, I've kind of stopped caring about practically everything in DC's comics. I've been toying with the idea of just making a clean break and dropping literally everything lately.

 

[Anubis]

That's what I did.

Been reading more and more Image.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've been picking up a few more indie comics myself. I really like this one series right now called Think Tank. I was shocked--shocked!--to find that it was from Top Cow.

 

[Anubis]

What's it about?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Super-genius guy who got recruited into developing new top-secret military tech really young, now wracked with guilt and attempting to extricate himself from his job without getting killed in the process.

 

[Robin91939]

Why are they ruining the origin of Tim Drake?


The best part about him was the fact that he wasn't a gymnast or an acrobat. He had to fight to train as hard as he could to get out of Dick's shadow and to earn the mantle of Robin.

Making him this perfect, over-achiever takes that element away. It makes him Batman's equal and not someone constantly looking for his approval. Yes, Tim gets there (becoming the best of all of the Robins) but starting out, he wasn't near that.

Even worse: TIM IS SUPPOSED TO SEEK THE ROLE OF ROBIN OUT!!!! Bruce doesn't elect Tim for the position. In fact, Bruce is resistant... very.

Tim has a keen and astute mind and his well beyond his years in his skills as a detective. He's athletic, but he's not the super athlete that Dick was. He isn't driven by angst or grief, he's driven by, well, drive. He's a driven kid who is the only one who sees that there is something wrong with Batman. He deduces the problem and even though he feels that he is not worthy to replace Jason as Robin, he knows that there needs to be a Robin and if no one else will, he has to.

That's what made the character of Tim Drake so appealing. He was vastly different from all of the other side-kicks in the Batfamily. Always striving for approval, always trying to belong, and someone who was doing it even when he wasn't sure that he was the person for the job -- but knew he had to because someone had to. He's relatable. He's attainable. And ultimately, he gets there. He becomes the superdetective, excellent fighter and dexterous athlete. He becomes an apparent heir to the Batman mantle and more than an adequate Robin.

To do what they are doing in the "New 52" (and I've liked the majority of the 52), is negating that whole journey. It's deleting the most interesting aspects of Tim's character.

And to do that is deleting one of, if not the best, sidekick ever created -- making him just a Dick Grayson copy... The very thing Tim Drake was designed to not be.

-R

 

[RoughNTumble]

the lines between robins are blurring

 

[Roose Bolton]

Once again, Morrison is what keeps me going through the sea of mediocrity and stupidity of Didio's regime.

 

[Pyro Man]

Darn right

I ignore all things I dislike about the continuity and invent my own

I am happier rejecting reality and living in a world of my own

I basically decided to take a similar attitude this past week, the inconsistencies between some of the zero issues for Batman have been driving me nuts "Batman's only been around for like 5 years", "Damian is 11 years old" they can't both work guys! Throw in how unconnected Batman Incorporated is from everything and it gets worse. So I just decided that for me each Batman title takes place in its own continuity other than during crossovers (sort of how Image used to treat crossovers between its creator's books). Also, if I'm not reading, BOOM, its not in continuity for me, so that "Tim Drake was never Robin" bulls**t is no sweat off my back. DC cares very little about its own continuity making any sense to the point that if that sort of thing bothers you you just have to see that continuity in the way that's least bothersome for yu.

 

[CConn]

Tim Drake was Robin. He just had a slightly different name.

 

[Mystirious]

Well, the best attitude to have, I've been finding more and more lately, is to just ditch the comic altogether. I'm down to 7 regular DC ongoings now. I used to read like half their publishing line.

Sorry to hear that Corp

I'm enjoying most of what DC is doing right now. I'm definitely buying more DC titles than I was before the reboot

Some of the continuity changes are dumb but I'm enjoying the stuff DC is doung in the present I've been digging a lot of the titles they've been publishing

Been reading more and more Image.

I'm wary of Image because the memories of how terrible most of it was in the 90's are fresh in my mind

Are there any Image books you think I'd dig 'Nubsy?

In other words are there any with fab lgbt main characters?

 

[sethypants]

the lines between robins are blurring

Really? A circus act, a street thug, an overachiever/detective and a assassin.

 

[CConn]

Sorry to hear that Corp

I'm enjoying most of what DC is doing right now. I'm definitely buying more DC titles than I was before the reboot

Some of the continuity changes are dumb but I'm enjoying the stuff DC is doung in the present I've been digging a lot of the titles they've been publishing



I'm wary of Image because the memories of how terrible most of it was in the 90's are fresh in my mind

Are there any Image books you think I'd dig 'Nubsy?

In other words are there any with fab lgbt main characters?

Image is a totally different animal than what it was in the 90s. Now it's just a breeding ground for pretty unlimited creativity and ingenuity by some of the industry's top talents.

Unlike you, I really don't care enough to really remember if any gays are in the comics, I'm reading, but here are some good series in general...

Bulletproof Coffin (currently its finished - or maybe just on hiatus - but you can still pick up the first two trades)
The Manhattan Projects (all I'm going to say is this: a shadow government run by a computer with FDR-AI)
Mind The Gap (hey, I remember, there are some lesbians in here )
Morning Glories (I don't remember any gays, but it's about a bunch of teenagers, so there's bound to be one somewhere)
Saga (Like Star Wars, but not at all)

 

[Mystirious]

Mind The Gap (hey, I remember, there are some lesbians in here )

I shall be checking this comic book out next time I do my comics shopping in that case

The Manhattan Projects (all I'm going to say is this: a shadow government run by an FDR-AI)

That sounds quite wacky

Morning Glories (I don't remember any gays, but it's about a bunch of teenagers, so there's bound to be one somewhere)

If there are then I shall give this series a read

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, Manhattan Projects and Saga are awesome, as are the rest he mentioned.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Why are they ruining the origin of Tim Drake?


The best part about him was the fact that he wasn't a gymnast or an acrobat. He had to fight to train as hard as he could to get out of Dick's shadow and to earn the mantle of Robin.

Making him this perfect, over-achiever takes that element away. It makes him Batman's equal and not someone constantly looking for his approval. Yes, Tim gets there (becoming the best of all of the Robins) but starting out, he wasn't near that.

Even worse: TIM IS SUPPOSED TO SEEK THE ROLE OF ROBIN OUT!!!! Bruce doesn't elect Tim for the position. In fact, Bruce is resistant... very.

Tim has a keen and astute mind and his well beyond his years in his skills as a detective. He's athletic, but he's not the super athlete that Dick was. He isn't driven by angst or grief, he's driven by, well, drive. He's a driven kid who is the only one who sees that there is something wrong with Batman. He deduces the problem and even though he feels that he is not worthy to replace Jason as Robin, he knows that there needs to be a Robin and if no one else will, he has to.

That's what made the character of Tim Drake so appealing. He was vastly different from all of the other side-kicks in the Batfamily. Always striving for approval, always trying to belong, and someone who was doing it even when he wasn't sure that he was the person for the job -- but knew he had to because someone had to. He's relatable. He's attainable. And ultimately, he gets there. He becomes the superdetective, excellent fighter and dexterous athlete. He becomes an apparent heir to the Batman mantle and more than an adequate Robin.

To do what they are doing in the "New 52" (and I've liked the majority of the 52), is negating that whole journey. It's deleting the most interesting aspects of Tim's character.

And to do that is deleting one of, if not the best, sidekick ever created -- making him just a Dick Grayson copy... The very thing Tim Drake was designed to not be.

-R

Tim used to be my favorite character. For those reasons. He became Robin simply because he thought it was the right thing to do. He wanted to help people. That altruism and drive is what made him the best of the Robins, I think.

Now he's ruined.

 

[CConn]

Yeah, Manhattan Projects and Saga are awesome, as are the rest he mentioned.

I started reading Prophet recently too.

I'm not entirely sure if the story is good at all, but the overall world building is incredible.

 

[Assassin]

Image is a totally different animal than what it was in the 90s. Now it's just a breeding ground for pretty unlimited creativity and ingenuity by some of the industry's top talents.

Unlike you, I really don't care enough to really remember if any gays are in the comics, I'm reading, but here are some good series in general...

Bulletproof Coffin (currently its finished - or maybe just on hiatus - but you can still pick up the first two trades)
The Manhattan Projects (all I'm going to say is this: a shadow government run by a computer with FDR-AI)
Mind The Gap (hey, I remember, there are some lesbians in here )
Morning Glories (I don't remember any gays, but it's about a bunch of teenagers, so there's bound to be one somewhere)
Saga (Like Star Wars, but not at all)

Why aren't you reading Revival? Hoax Hunters is also good.

or if you get IDW books, Smoke and Mirrors?

Vertigo-Punk Rock Jesus

 

[CConn]

I'm reading none of those purely because you're suggesting them.