Official Contest of Marvels II Discussion Thread

[hippy fascist]

Holy ****!

When they said ANYONE could die in heroes they freakin meant it!

God bless canada

 

[primemover]

I'm not sure with this in regards to his powers. You are right that various people have written him in different ways. When I went against one of the Wrecking Crew, at different times he was able to do different abilities (even in conjunction with having the other members around.) If I remember correctly, there powers have changed due to various incidents in the Wrecking Crews past. Here is some information that may help explain:

The Wrecker somehow finally returned to Earth and was reunited with the Crew, but their powers began fading when many of Asgard's links to Earth were separated. Leaving the Crew to find the source of his fading powers, he found the god Set, who beat him so severely as to remand him to the hospital. Later, the entire Crew received a power boost when hired by Arnim Zola to battle the Thunderbolts (unaware that the Thunderbolts included many of their former allies in the Masters of Evil). Although this power boost was successful, it was based on science, not magic, and the Wrecker came to believe later that he lost the “edge” Asgardian power gave him.

So, I think where the confusion lies is the fact they don't have Asgardian powers anymore; especially considering Asgard doesn't exist anymore.

I don't know if this helps or not.

Yeah, he has lost the innate power a few times, but he keeps on getting them back, like whenever he gets the crowbar back. Based on my findings the crowbar gives power, and that power remains with the person for a undetermined amount of time, but it's surely not instantly gone.

That is basically what I am asking, for a ruling, for this tournament, if he loses the power instantly when separated from the crowbar. The evidence I have gathered says no, please refer to my previous posts, and I will work under that assumption until told otherwise.

 

[Darthphere]

Holy ****!

When they said ANYONE could die in heroes they freakin meant it!

God bless canada

Nobody died.

 

[kytrigger]

Nobody died.

I was just wondering that. I saw Hippy's comment before I started Heroes and was all dissapointed because I thought I ruined a huge spoiler for myself.

 

[wiegeabo]

Hey. Where are the damn spoiler tags! It's just coming on here.

 

[wiegeabo]

Now that I've seen it, I'm a little confused by hippy as well.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Me too. I'm confused also. I loved the flashbacks that totally explain the Paper Plant. Plus, seeing George Takai again was really creepy. And, was that Eric Roberts??!!?? I didn't recognize him at first...but, if it is, he has aged badly.

Can't wait for the next episode.

And, Prime, I think the decision on that is going to have to be decided by the voters. I just don't know how much power he keeps.

 

[wiegeabo]

Yes, that was Eric Roberts.

And George Takai! Everything really is connected.

 

[primemover]

And, Prime, I think the decision on that is going to have to be decided by the voters. I just don't know how much power he keeps.

So if I win this round The Wrecker officially keeps his powers when he is seperated, and if I lose he doesn't?

That seems like too major of an issue to be decided like that, especially since people are voting for much more than a yea or nay on a power issue.

 

[kytrigger]

Me too. I'm confused also. I loved the flashbacks that totally explain the Paper Plant. Plus, seeing George Takai again was really creepy. And, was that Eric Roberts??!!?? I didn't recognize him at first...but, if it is, he has aged badly.

Very true. He has aged almost as poorly as his acting abilities, but I still love him for being in Best of the Best, and any movie that has James Earl Jones teaching kung fu is awesome.

So if I win this round The Wrecker officially keeps his powers when seperated, and if I lose he doesn't?

That seems like too major of an issue to be decided like that, especially since people are voting for much more than a yea or nay on a power issue.

Not really. It's always a case-by-case basis (at least I think it is). If Wrecker wins, but I personally don't thin khe keeps his powers, and in teh next round he fights someone that tries to knock away his crowbar again, I can still think it depowers him and vote because of that. If it's alway sbrought up to the voteer's it's always case-by case IMO. And if Wrecker loses, then it doesn't really matter since he won't be fighting anymore.

 

[Phaedrus45]

So if I win this round The Wrecker officially keeps his powers when he is seperated, and if I lose he doesn't?

That seems like too major of an issue to be decided like that, especially since people are voting for much more than a yea or nay on a power issue.

It would be nice if we had a definitive answer; but, I would venture that both of you have done a great deal of research on this character, and if you guys can't find out anything, then it's the only way to handle it. The only way around it is to look at the last appearances by the Wrecking Crew and simply state what happens when separated from his crowbar.

Also, as Kytrigger said, each new battle is going to be another time that you might have to argue this point. Just because the voters might vote for a certain character doesn't mean all of the points brought up are validated.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I am extending debating until 12:00 pm PST again. That gives everyone about 4 hours still to make any last minute rebuttals.

 

[hippy fascist]

I was just wondering that. I saw Hippy's comment before I started Heroes and was all dissapointed because I thought I ruined a huge spoiler for myself.

Yup, I read spoilers online saying bennet got shot, sadly I didn't think to keep reading

 

[primemover]

Not really. It's always a case-by-case basis (at least I think it is). If Wrecker wins, but I personally don't thin khe keeps his powers, and in teh next round he fights someone that tries to knock away his crowbar again, I can still think it depowers him and vote because of that. If it's alway sbrought up to the voteer's it's always case-by case IMO. And if Wrecker loses, then it doesn't really matter since he won't be fighting anymore.

It would be nice if we had a definitive answer; but, I would venture that both of you have done a great deal of research on this character, and if you guys can't find out anything, then it's the only way to handle it. The only way around it is to look at the last appearances by the Wrecking Crew and simply state what happens when separated from his crowbar.

Did anybody actually read my emails about this subject??

I read his last appearances and there is no way he is completely de-powered as on both occasions it takes 2 or more hits with a MAGICALLY POWERED weapon from SUPER POWERED people to put this guy down.

Please think about this, as it's completely ridiculous to think he becomes completely de-powered.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Did anybody actually read my emails about this subject??

I read his last appearances and there is no way he is completely de-powered as on both occasions it takes 2 or more hits with a MAGICALLY POWERED weapon from SUPER POWERED people to put this guy down.

Please think about this, as it's completely ridiculous to think he becomes completely de-powered.

Yes, I read your posts and other people's responses. As they've said, Wrecker still does appear to have some powers left over when he looses contact with his crowbar; but, the question is how much power. If you've read his last appearances, it's as Hippy stated: The last appearances is usually what determines your character. All you have to do is state what happens in the last few appearances, and that is usually enough to prove a point. I didn't read anyone saying he'd be completely de-powered. It's to what extent. If I had something definitive, I'd post it; but, we are simply restating everything said before.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Debating Is Over!!!

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Harlekin]

Ruling on that last rebuttal? Hippy already screwed me over by replying this late, and I took four minutes to reply.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ruling on that last rebuttal? Hippy already screwed me over by replying this late, and I took four minutes to reply.

Just got back from the Post Office. I'll let you know in a bit if your last minute rebuttal will be allowed or not.

 

[hippy fascist]

Ruling on that last rebuttal? Hippy already screwed me over by replying this late, and I took four minutes to reply.

Without even reading this I said fine, my fault anyway.

No ill will intended

Although "screwed me over" is a bit harsh!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, Hippy said he'd allow the late debate to go through. So, you don't have to remove it.

Remember, if you are working on a last-minute debate, and it's almost 12:00 pm PST and you think you won't finish in time, PM me quickly. If I wasn't able to contact Hippy right away, I'd have had to ask you to remove it.

 

[Harlekin]

I figured I could get in for the debating to end. I'll keep it in mind for next time.

Thanks Hipster and Phaed.

 

[primemover]

Yes, I read your posts and other people's responses. As they've said, Wrecker still does appear to have some powers left over when he looses contact with his crowbar; but, the question is how much power. If you've read his last appearances, it's as Hippy stated: The last appearances is usually what determines your character. All you have to do is state what happens in the last few appearances, and that is usually enough to prove a point. I didn't read anyone saying he'd be completely de-powered. It's to what extent. If I had something definitive, I'd post it; but, we are simply restating everything said before.

Actually JewishHobbit did say he was completely de-powered in his debate.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Actually JewishHobbit did say he was completely de-powered in his debate.

Sorry, I was just going with the answers you've been getting on the discussion thread. I wasn't going with what your opponent in the debate was saying.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Actually JewishHobbit did say he was completely de-powered in his debate.

I said it in the first debate when I was going off of the bio provided. You debated your cause after that and I came up with a rebuttal that I felt reflected a more powerful Wrecker with other powers you mentioned that I wasn't aware of. I think that was fair enough.

When there's a situation like this that the comics can't provide a clear ruling on a character, then we have to just kinda play it by ear. Judging by your examples and his most recent appearance in New Avengers, I think it's obvious that he still has some degree of powers after losing the Crowbar, but as Phaed stated, the question is how much power. Unfortunately, with the lack of coherant writing in the comics, it's hard to classify that. You've made it well known what it took to take Wrecker out, and the players/voters here have always voted responsibly and taken all into account (not as biased as the DTL was at times). I think it'll be a fair voting process, may the best man win. Though being that we can't specifically classify his power level, if he does win and advance, then next round you'll want to make the examples of how powerful Wrecker is again without his crowbar.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Hellstormer let me know that he wouldn't be able to vote this week due to his busy schedule. He didn't want to be unfair and not be able to read all the debates. We still have our lowest vote total we've ever had. I'll bump everything up. If it stays at 8 votes, I'll hold off ending voting until early tomorrow morning. After all, we haven't even had JH vote yet.