Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[triplefive]

Eh, I haven't even been reading it, I'm just going by what I read on some of my communities. I gave up on that book a while back.

Ah, yeah, that's all just crazy speculation... nothing like what was actually on paper.

I think it's a great book. Definitely the best X-book out right now.

 

[Bishop2]

Ah, yeah, that's all just crazy speculation... nothing like what was actually on paper.

I think it's a great book. Definitely the best X-book out right now.

I've been annoyed with Whedon's portrayal of Kitty for a while, and what he's done with Emma and the Hellfire Club and this whole arc in general just completely lost me. I can't tolerate it anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best X-book right now because there's just so little coming out of Marvel that I can stand at the moment. I mostly blame the inanity of Civil War though, which I can't use as the problem behind X-Men.

Ah well. Maybe in a year there'll be more stuff worth reading.

 

[triplefive]

I've been annoyed with Whedon's portrayal of Kitty for a while, and what he's done with Emma and the Hellfire Club and this whole arc in general just completely lost me. I can't tolerate it anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best X-book right now because there's just so little coming out of Marvel that I can stand at the moment. I mostly blame the inanity of Civil War though, which I can't use as the problem behind X-Men.

Ah well. Maybe in a year there'll be more stuff worth reading.

I liked that he gave Kitty a bit more character. So he's showcased her a bit too much... every writer seems to have their favourite untouchable, except perhaps Morrison. Maybe Xorneto was his.

But the way Whedon writes, you kind of just have to hold on to the end to see what the eff is going on because nothing is what it seems.

I love Whedon's Emma, too... even with the recent turn to evil and whatnot, which has been explained somewhat.

 

[Bishop2]

I liked that he gave Kitty a bit more character. So he's showcased her a bit too much... every writer seems to have their favourite untouchable, except perhaps Morrison. Maybe Xorneto was his.

Hee. Xorneto.

But seriously, I don't think he gave Kitty more character, he just made her dumber and a lot more obnoxiously self-righteous. The former "perceptive genius" girl who doesn't seem to really be much of a genius at all anymore and certainly not very perceptive about people. I did love, however, when the guys behind Phoenix: Endsong took the new portrayal of Kitty to its logical extreme by having her reach into Emma's chest, grab her by the heart and threaten to murder her. Hilarious. That's pretty much the modern never-think-things-through, act-superior-&-hateful Kitty going about as far as she can go without just turning full-on evil.

 

[triplefive]

Yeah, they've made her more impulsive, but they've also made her less boring and way more kick-ass... and she's still the "tech" brain of the team. She isn't acting superior as much as she just truly hates Emma and will never accept what she did when Kitty first joined the X-Men. She doesn't act that way to anyone else.

 

[Bishop2]

That bugs me a little bit, just because it's not like she's been known to hold, say, Rogue's past against her. The X-Men do have a habit of hiring on reformed villians... like, a LOT. Still, I guess the encounter with the Hellfire club back in the Dark Phoenix era was rather formative for her.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

I'm sure that if he is indeed able to control his powers, someone will retcon it a few issues after Whedon leaves. Marvel needs to be able to sell Cyclops toys.

But yeah, he's just a normal guy without them... like in my avatar, or in the Astonishing thread squeekness scanned the last page, and if you check out the Marvel website for the issue 19 cover.

I read a fanfic (can't remember where I found it) where he could control his optic blasts so he didn't have to wear the ruby quartz glasses but he did wear the visor during missions.

Fanfic writers seem to be more inventive and have fresher ideas than the professionals.

 

[Bastila]

You know those spoilers are so tempting as i haven't read the latest issue haven't been able to get it yet lol.

Cyke with out glasses that would be strange for a while.

 

[triplefive]

You know those spoilers are so tempting as i haven't read the latest issue haven't been able to get it yet lol.

Cyke with out glasses that would be strange for a while.

That's a great avatar! I love the "widescreen" ones.

 

[Bastila]

That's a great avatar! I love the "widescreen" ones.

thanks heres the GIF -

 

[ntcrawler]

I read a fanfic (can't remember where I found it) where he could control his optic blasts so he didn't have to wear the ruby quartz glasses but he did wear the visor during missions.

One of those is the Grail novel. Jean, using her enhanced powers and knowledge of medicine is able to fix Scott's brain damage so that he is indeed able to control his powers, at least to turn them on and off. You're probably thinking he'd have to give up his visor, but no. He can turn his beams on and off, but his shots are clumsy and awkward. Jean helps him realize that the visor can still serve a useful purpose, as it allows him to modulate and set the power output of his beams in a way that he could never do naturally. So on a normal day, he's not Scott "blue-eyed" Summers, but on a mission, he's styll the Cyclops everyone knows. Except now, you can't make him blind by knocking the visor off his face

Fanfic writers seem to be more inventive and have fresher ideas than the professionals.

Oh indeed. It's a shame movie companies can't swallow their pride and let them adopt one of their stories into an actual movie. It'd be far superior and far more engaging IMHO to anything those paid-by-the-script hacks come up with.

 

[UraniaChang]

Considering those professional, well-paid scriptwriters' doings lately, it does explain why fanfic area keeps blooming.

 

[CapBeerCino]

I read a fanfic (can't remember where I found it) where he could control his optic blasts so he didn't have to wear the ruby quartz glasses but he did wear the visor during missions.

I read that in more than one fanfic. I'm not a big fan of the idea though, lack of control is the essence of the character.

Fanfic writers seem to be more inventive and have fresher ideas than the professionals.

Duh.

 

[ntcrawler]

I read that in more than one fanfic. I'm not a big fan of the idea though, lack of control is the essence of the character.

Oh I agree. I suppose in a way it shows the character's growth, since control is one of the concepts on which the school is founded. Previously, Scott's only way to control his powers was to use special goggles and glasses. Now he could do it himself.

As to why it was done? Well, this was a handicap that Scott had to live with for many years and it defined him, but it was a frightening thing that he had to think about every day. Now all of a sudden Jean is back, and has enhanced powers that would let her do something about it. An advanced TK wielder with Jean's knowledge of medicine could be a powerful healer indeed, and Scott's problem became yet another opportunity for her to perform her sworn duty to heal wounds and help others. So at least in terms of being appropriate to the characters and showing them grow and evolve, I think it was handled rather nicely. It would have been wierd for Scott to be presented with this opportunity and to not allow himself the chance to take advantage of it and give his life some peace, not to mention those around him in case his glasses were to be knocked off his face (a la X1 in the train station).

But again, that doesn't mean Scott had to give up his visor. The level of pinpont accuracy and control that allowed him to blow holes in mountains or gently nudge billiard balls around could only be made possible by skillful use of his visor, so he was most certainly not going to get rid of that. Jean insisted

 

[ntcrawler]

Considering those professional, well-paid scriptwriters' doings lately, it does explain why fanfic area keeps blooming.

There are some that make me cringe, yes. Like a sequel story that shows Jean walking around blindfolded because her telepathy is "too strong" and Scott's there with her, and as a way of relieving stress he's matter of factly blasting trees and branches as they walk.

And on the other side of the spectrum, there are novels such as Grail, Echo, Accidental Interception of Fate, Rebirth and Awakenings (yes, full length novels), that once you read them, you'll look down with disgust at Penn and Kinberg's idea of what an X3 should be about. You'll feel spoiled and your standard raised so high if you enjoyed those stories that you won't be able to look at future Hollywood projects the same way again.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

One of those is the Grail novel. Jean, using her enhanced powers and knowledge of medicine is able to fix Scott's brain damage so that he is indeed able to control his powers, at least to turn them on and off. You're probably thinking he'd have to give up his visor, but no. He can turn his beams on and off, but his shots are clumsy and awkward. Jean helps him realize that the visor can still serve a useful purpose, as it allows him to modulate and set the power output of his beams in a way that he could never do naturally. So on a normal day, he's not Scott "blue-eyed" Summers, but on a mission, he's styll the Cyclops everyone knows. Except now, you can't make him blind by knocking the visor off his face



Oh indeed. It's a shame movie companies can't swallow their pride and let them adopt one of their stories into an actual movie. It'd be far superior and far more engaging IMHO to anything those paid-by-the-script hacks come up with.

I know it wasn't Grail by Minisinoo because I haven't read that (sorry, not a fan of Scott and Jean as a couple) I have read a couple of her stories though and you're right, she's far better than the X3 hacks.

The studios should do themselves a favor and scout the fanfic writers.

Although Wolverine and Rogue are not my One True Pair, I do read stories featuring that pairing because those authors are amongst the best in the fanfic world. Although lately there's been quite a bit of repetitive drivel as a lot of the better authors have lost interest in the fandom. But even some of the worst stories in that shipdom are still better than what Kinberg and Penn farted out and had the nerve to call a screenplay.

 

[UraniaChang]

There are some that make me cringe, yes. Like a sequel story that shows Jean walking around blindfolded because her telepathy is "too strong" and Scott's there with her, and as a way of relieving stress he's matter of factly blasting trees and branches as they walk.

Well, since those fanfic writers aren't making any money out of them, I will say that these kind of stories are still acceptable, though I may not like them very much. But what really amazes me is that with all those terrible stories these scriptwriters come up with like what they did in X3, they can still make a living by writing scripts.
The filmdom must be really tolerant and relented.

 

[Hades]

James Marsden's arms have more hair on them then my legs

I thought Wolverine was supposed to be the hairy but, yet cyclops is the hairiest.

 

[triplefive]

thanks heres the GIF -

thanks

 

[CapBeerCino]

Although Wolverine and Rogue are not my One True Pair, I do read stories featuring that pairing because those authors are amongst the best in the fanfic world.

*cringe* No offence - but I never got that. Movieverse Rogue and Wolverine

To each his own, I guess

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

*cringe* No offence - but I never got that. Movieverse Rogue and Wolverine

To each his own, I guess

It's certainly more plausible than Wolverine/Storm or Wolverine/Scott or Wolverine/random extra.

I don't have a movieverse couples preference, but I do like Scott and Emma in the comics because the Scott/Jean drama has been beaten to death. Talk about cringeworthy.

 

[CapBeerCino]

It's certainly more plausible than Wolverine/Storm or Wolverine/Scott or Wolverine/random extra.

I donno. I think Logan would have tried his luck with each of the above before making a move on a minor... But I guess a good author could make it work, I never tried reading this pairing I must admit.

 

[Vilya]

New DVD promo.

 

[CapBeerCino]

^^^ I think I'm gonna cry...

Is that fan-art btw? Scott's legs looked maniped to death...

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

I donno. I think Logan would have tried his luck with each of the above before making a move on a minor... But I guess a good author could make it work, I never tried reading this pairing I must admit.

In most of the stories Rogue is already an adult (and she certainly was by the third film so that's canon)

Even if she wasn't, Wolverine is a character with a shady past, who wouldn't let legalities influence his behavior.

The decision to pair Ashmore's Bobby with prepubscent looking Ellen Page's Kitty was far worse than imagining 24 year old Paquin and 37 year old Jackman as a couple.

You should check out the Wolverine and Rogue stories because some (although not all of them) are pretty good. Look for authors who posted stories from 2001 to 2004. Some of the newer authors are merely rehashing storylines that have done better by the veterans. Even some of the worst fanfics are still better than what Kinberg and Penn puked up and tried to pass off as faithful to the first two films.