Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

What Will Cyclops' Fate Be In X3?

  • Dies At Alkali Lake

  • Never Faces A Life-Threatening Situation

  • Supposedly Dies Early But Returns In The Final Battle

  • Dies In The Final Battle

  • Goes On Sabbatical (after Alkali Lake)


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ntcrawler said:
What about drowning or gas? He needs to breathe, does he not?

He can go without breathing for an indeterminate amount of time - his healing factor will allow his lungs to expel water/gas and oxygenate as soon as they're back in fresh air.

He's pretty much unkillable now.
 
Bishop2 said:
He can go without breathing for an indeterminate amount of time - his healing factor will allow his lungs to expel water/gas and oxygenate as soon as they're back in fresh air.

He's pretty much unkillable now.

So where's the drama? Where's the sense of suspense or danger? You now have a character who's on par with Saint of Killers. You bury him under a mountain or drop a Nuke on him? It'll just piss him off.
 
Bishop2 said:
Oh yeah, I use Cyclops as the main powerhouse on my team in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 all the time. :)

By the way, has anyone noticed that Wolverine in the comics has gotten... er, ridiculously more powerful as of late? As insane as his healing factor was in X3, I think the comics have taken that idea to the next level. Now he's basically a god. Check out this page. On the next page? HE HEALED FROM THAT. :huh: I only mention this here because, man, I'm really getting tired of how they oversell that little Canadian munchkin... :oldrazz:

Yeah Wolverine is becoming a VERY overrated character which sucks because he used to be so cool...
 
ntcrawler said:
What about drowning or gas? He needs to breathe, does he not?

I hope he dies in the comics soon, i would buy that issue just to see him die really lol.

His become a joke now.
 
Bastila said:
I hope he dies in the comics soon, i would buy that issue just to see him die really lol.

His become a joke now.

Who knows - maybe he'll die in the spin-off. Are Penn and Kinsberg still writing? :D
 
CapBeerCino said:
Who knows - maybe he'll die in the spin-off. Are Penn and Kinsberg still writing? :D

But that wouldn't make any sense! How could he die in a spin-off that's supposed to be a prequ- oh wait never mind. If Penn and Kinberg are writing it, then it's fair game :)
 
ntcrawler said:
But that wouldn't make any sense! How could he die in a spin-off that's supposed to be a prequ-

Quit nitpicking!
I'm sure one of Jean's abilities could take care of such a minor plot hole. :o :oldrazz:

ntcrawler said:
oh wait never mind. If Penn and Kinberg are writing it, then it's fair game

Somewhere in L.A those two are taking notes :woot:
 
I thought in Xavier's files (in case the mutants were mind controlled...etc..) it says to kill Wolverine, we need to chop his head off?
 
Why am I not surprised that this thread is mostly a "c´mon everybody, let´s bash Wolverine!" :rolleyes:
It´s ridiculous that so many Cyke fans can´t seem to defend or praise their favorite character without trashing Wolverine...
 
well "loganbabe", ill say this..no we dont trash wolverine however, we all feel that because of wolverine, cyclops screentime was diminished especially in x3 since fox believes jackman is a bigger star and that wolverine is more popular. I think that is a very valid reason as to why Wolverine is braught up so much.
 
Loganbabe said:
Why am I not surprised that this thread is mostly a "c´mon everybody, let´s bash Wolverine!" :rolleyes:
It´s ridiculous that so many Cyke fans can´t seem to defend or praise their favorite character without trashing Wolverine...

Don't take it too seriously. It's fun to gripe about Ol' Canucklehead's omnipresence and recent godlike healing powers. However, in my experience most Cyclops fans also like, or at least appreciate, a well-written Logan as an interesting character in his own right and as a great friend/rival for Cyke.
 
I love the scene in Astonishing X-Men when Cyke blows the Sentinel away and Wolvie comes out with something along the lines of "times like this I remember why you're the boss". They're best when they're portrayed as fierce rivals with a lot of respect for each other.
 
ntcrawler said:
Nice try, but that is obviously a duct-tape approach by Clarement to cover Penn and Kinberg's asses because they screwed up and he knew it. I want to hear Penn and Kinberg's explanation for this. Oh wait, they don't have one. And we all know it's silly. Look at the above post by Bishop2. Wolverine surviving an atomic bomb, ALL hes flesh being burned off. How do you explain that? Was Jean there to loan him some of her amazing powers to help him heal too?

Let's be clear on something. Jean is a TK wielder and telepath. Nothing about her abilities would make it possible for her to "loan" her powers to make another mutant stronger. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. The writers establish her as such, and end up contradicting themselves in the movie. She is not a battery that another mutant can plug into. She can heal wounds, she can read or control minds, and she can move objects around (both large objects and molecular-level objects now), but as such there is nothing about her powers that would give her the ability to make another mutant's powers stronger.

This is what ticks me off. We realize that this is out of character and an abuse of Wolverine's abilities. Just like we recognize that our other favorite characters have their flaws and limitations. But in the case of Wolverine, some people just use this as evidence to show how cool he is. The more impossible things he survives, the more that is treated as an example of how awsome the character is. And tha't's just wrong. People accused me of unfairly bringing up Storm's abilities to that of the Phoenix. Well, these people are certainly unfairly bringing up Wolverine's abilities to that of God.

That comic scene above and the battle in X3 is a perfect real-life illustration when you play a game and punch in the cheat code to make your character invulnerable :D


The novel does add some explanations... and some of it might be duct-taping in the sense of Claremont answering questions he had when putting the novel together.

As for the Phoenix's power intensifying other mutants' powers, it's plausible but never heard of before except in a comicbook story where Rachel Summers used her TK to boost someone's powers.
If Jean has powers of mind over matter, of giving an object energy that become kinetic energy, then that object's molecules would have more energy, chemical reactions would be speeded up, metabolism would be increased, mutant powers would also be enhanced. It's plausible...but I know it's not clear in the movie..

The novel also says that in the final showdown, Magneto's electromagnetic fields and Pyro's intense heat are disrupting Storm's weather-control, as the atmosphere above the island is fried by heat and EM fields. She does manage to draw fog off the water but that's about it, and you can see they make her do it with some visible concentration. However, the movie doesn't make it clear that her weather control is limited and we are left wondering why a woman who pulled down a swarm of tornadoes in X2 does so little in the final battle.

However, the characters' powers are always conveniently used. Why did Storm wait so long before lashing out against Toad in X1? Why didn't she herself fly up to the mutation machine? Why didn't she summon winds to slow the X-jet's descent in X2 (she did this in the comics in a Magneto story), why didn't she try to slow or halt the water at the end of X2? Answer - because the plot required that she did nothing so that others could have their moment instead. Storm is like Jean - so powerful that they have to have moments where she does nothing!
 
okay guys... this is a cyc thread... and if you want... go to comics and start a new
"The Official Jesus-Logan Thread"
 
X-Maniac said:
However, the characters' powers are always conveniently used. Why did Storm wait so long before lashing out against Toad in X1? Why didn't she herself fly up to the mutation machine? Why didn't she summon winds to slow the X-jet's descent in X2 (she did this in the comics in a Magneto story), why didn't she try to slow or halt the water at the end of X2? Answer - because the plot required that she did nothing so that others could have their moment instead. Storm is like Jean - so powerful that they have to have moments where she does nothing!

Actually there is a rather simple explanation for why Storm didn't hold back the waters in X2. Because Jean got to them first. Storm was in the pilot's seat with Scott, focusing on getting the plane airborne. Jean was behind them and in a position where she didn't have anything to do at the moment. So she seized the opportunity. She simply got to address the situation first. As to why Storm wasn't able to use her powers then so Jean wouldn't have to or to save Jean? Again, simple. Because Jean wouldn't let them. Just like she wouldn't let Scott get to her, or anyone else from helping her. There are about 20 different ways that Jean could have been saved, but she prevented anyone from saving her. Yes, Storm is quite powerful but she wasn't standing still doing nothing because the writers wanted her to stand still. It was because Jean wouldn't let her. Now was that cowardly and selfish of Jean? Yes it was. But that was the whole point.

And it only helped to add to Cyke's agony knowing that not only Jean was going to die, but that she was purposely holding everyone back, preventing them from even trying to rescue her. That's gotta hurt. That's the kind of thing that will haunt you for the rest of your life, and you'll never be able to move on from.
 
OMG thats the perfect poster. I mean storm and logan are where they belong,the back, and scott is where he belongs the front of course.
 
MilkmanDan said:
Don't take it too seriously. It's fun to gripe about Ol' Canucklehead's omnipresence and recent godlike healing powers. However, in my experience most Cyclops fans also like, or at least appreciate, a well-written Logan as an interesting character in his own right and as a great friend/rival for Cyke.
Fair enough. And as a Wolverine fan, I appreciate as well the dynamics between Scott and Logan.
I´m not fond of "godlike healing powers" as well, but at least one of the writers promised to explain about it soon...
 
Something for Cyke/Marsden fans to look forward to on the special edition dvd.

We have just reviewed the UK 2-disc copy, and the DTS 6.1 discrete mix is amazing. Curiously, on one of the documentaries where James Marsden goes into a comedic rant with a number of "F" words, one is unbleep and the others censored. This obviously has to do with the BBFC only allowing one of them into a "12" certificate.
Source: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/x-men-the-last-stand3.html?page=2
 
jcykeson said:
funny that the only way to kill off Wolverine is to cut his head off fast enough before he starts healing...

I think a new head would grow...you know like the heads from that guy in men in black? creepy...XD
 
Retroman said:
Something for Cyke/Marsden fans to look forward to on the special edition dvd.

We have just reviewed the UK 2-disc copy, and the DTS 6.1 discrete mix is amazing. Curiously, on one of the documentaries where James Marsden goes into a comedic rant with a number of "F" words, one is unbleep and the others censored. This obviously has to do with the BBFC only allowing one of them into a "12" certificate.

Source: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/x-men-the-last-stand3.html?page=2

Cool lol. Be intersting to see.
 
ThE_PhOeNiX said:
I cant stant the fact that its halle and hugh's names on the cover.
Whose names did you want? Rebecca Romijn and James Marsden, or Ben Foster and Ellen Page? :huh: Hugh and Halle are the most known actors of this franchise, and face it, lots of people only go to the cinemas to see them.


edit: damn, i just realized i posted this on the Cyclops thread. *runs* :p
 
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