Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Hugh'sMrs]

They can't film the mansion scenes without cyclops.

Basically they are going to shoot all the scenes that has no cyclops involved first.

That worries me a bit.

Shooting scenes not in order may confuse the cast and crew and they might not deliver good performances.

Movies never shoot scenes in order. They are currently filming at Royal Roads College/Hatley Castle which is used for the mansion scenes so if Marsden isn't in Canada yet then they are filming those scenes without him.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Yes, I did read what you posted. I guess I get annoyed when folks seem to imply the guy has nothing else going for him except Wolverine. "Wolverine is the only thing that's keeping him, as an actor, famous". That is far from the truth. And Dougray Scott was not "cast above Hugh" as Hugh was not in the picture when casting was done. Hugh was simply "emergency" casting. Scott was not cast "above" Hugh at all. Hugh did not audition for the part before hand, and had no connection with the film until after Scott pulled out and they needed a replacement fast. He was on stage in Oklahoma.

Hugh himself has said (in a video interview so no chance of being misquoted) that he spent ten months auditioning for Wolverine and in the process met everyone at Fox except for Rupert Murdoch. I believe he was number 12 on the list of actors being considered after Dougray couldn't do it.

I do agree with you that he is much more than just Wolverine.

 

[Electrix]

Bryan Singer was approached to do an X-Men movie. Bryan got info on the characters and was particuarly interesting in Wolverine. He was interested in Wolverine because Bryan was adopted and like Wolverine, wants to know where he came from. Therefore, Bryan decided to base the movies around Wolverine and him finding out about his past.

The X-Men movies didnt have to be based on Wolverine. Scripts from earlier attempts to make an X-Men wernt based around Wolverine. The 90's series was successful and wasnt based around Wolverine. X-Men Evolution was successfull and didnt focus on Wolverine. X-Men games (up until Wolverines Revenge) wernt based on Wolverine. Yes, Wolverine was a favourite among the comic fans, but that is a small percenatge of the people who would eventually see the movie.

Before the films are even made we have a Director biased towards Wolverine. There were rumours that FOX gave him a list of characters that had to be in the movie. Among those were Storm, who apparently, wasnt wanted by Bryan. I think from the movies that is obvious.

They didnt need to follow Wolverines story. There are 40 years worth of comics they could have chose from. They could have easily made an X-Men movie, without the focus on one person. Who does Oceans 11 focus on? LOTR focuses on Frodo's journey but he isnt the main character. They didnt need to make Wolverine the focus and main character, but they did. That resulted in characters like Storm and Cyclops being less developed. Cyclops was even used to make Wolverine look better.

They set out to make Wolverine the star. They have made him the hero, the fighter, the charmer. You can tell they wanted Wolverine to be the focsu by the casting. Wolverine in the comics, games and cartoons is 5ft 3. So why the hell did a 6ft 2 Hugh Jackman and a 6ft 1 Dougary Scott end up going to the audition? They obviosuly didnt put out a casting call for a 5'ft 3 guy. Since when have small people been hero's, fighters and charmers?

Bryan should have waited and made the Wolverine movie, which there wouldnt have been if X1 and X2 wernt focused of him. We should have had someone who wanted to make an actual X-Men movie. Like Brett Ratner. They should have let him on from the start. He was passionate about it. Singer wanted to make his life story.

 

[phoephoe]

I had this big post ready to go and deleted it. (although this one will probably be close in size)

My point about Marsden is that there isn't a single reason that he can't be in X-Men. I'm sure he wouldn't sign up for Superman knowing that it would conflict with X-Men.

However his screen time may not be what we'd like it. Truth of the matter is that Scott left the X-Men for a short while after Jean died.

If he wasn't going to be in the whole movie and James Marsden knew this then that is ample enough reason to sign onto another movie to fill in time.

I think he's pretty much finished with Superman any way. He said in an interview he was hoping to be down there when his wife had their baby so they could get citizen ship and it would be really close to the end of his filming if he was still filming. I heard that she was supposed to have the baby within the last 2 weeks.

Also about them never shooting scenes in order, half of the time they don't even film the whole scene at once. Like say they have 2 people talking and the camera goes back and forth showing each. They do the takes of one actor for the scene then film the takes of the other actor for the scene then edit them together. They dont flip back and forth between camera angles. They can do part of his scene with out him there.

It's been stated he'll be there by the director and by him. Whether he has more screen time, we wont know until we see it.

And as for the death stuff. I don't think it's going to happen like that and I don't think that we had the whole picture. It wasn't cannon and it was bound to make people angry.

Also the script that was supposedly reviewed has been changed as stated by the production people and that the one that was seen was really old and really close to a rough draft. The people who had creative controll over the script have changed too.

 

[The Batman]

I've been a long time fan of Cyclops, and its shame how he constantly gets screwed over in the films.

His relationship with Jean has no passion or chemistry. The General Audience thinks that logan and jean should end up together and that scott's just in the way.

They barely show him to be the leader. He was in X2 for what, 5 minutes total maybe?

Marsden had to ASK for his fight scene at the beginning of the movie. And we didnt even see him take out the other guards. They just focused on deathstrike getting back up.

That's Why i wished Joss Whedon would've done this film. not only does he have more credibility than Ratner, IMO, but he would've made sure EVERYONe could get the focus they need. Especially Cyclops and Storm. But now, all we have to look foward too is Cyke getting atomized in the first ten minutes

Which is why i probably wont see this film in theaters

 

[newwaveboy87]

we don't know if Cyclops is still going to be killed in this movie. the script has changed. and i'm thinking they're only going to kill one person, and most likely it's going to be Xaiver.

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, and they even gave Jean to Wolverine for awhile

When?

 

[aaron]

i think theyll kill of magneto and xavier

 

[newwaveboy87]

i think they'll kill of Xaiver, and have Magneto take over the X-Men. like in the comics back in the 80s.

 

[aaron]

lol, i dont think that will happen man

 

[newwaveboy87]

probably not. it'd require too much characterization for people other then Wolverine. and be a moment of reservation and would showcase the two older gentlemen, and the teenage boys would probably get bored during it.

JOKE! but it probably won't happen, even though i think it'd kick so much ass.

 

[aaron]

it would definitely kick ass

but for people who aren't comic books fan, they won't want it, and fox has to consider everyone on a whole.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i dont know if they wouldn't want it, but i think they'd have a hard time accepting it. well...Magneto did team up with the X-Men in X2, so they might. but whatever, back on topic:

GIVE JAMES MARSDEN SOMETHING TO DO!!

 

[aaron]

yep, he'll have something to do, getting halle berry coffee's on set lol

 

[Electrix]

I agree

 

[aaron]

lol

 

[Ratcrawler]

I think Magneto's more likely to die than Xavier.

Ok, I'm a pretty big Cyclops fan myself and am pretty pissed off about the whole killing off Cyke rumors. Having Storm take over seems like a pretty crappy idea since I think Jimmy is way more likely to return for an X4 than Halle whose so damn convinced that this will be the last film. Yeah, maybe the last one she's in. Brilliant choice, FOX.

Also, does anybody else think that Cyclops comes off as the bigger man than Wolverine in these films? He knows what Wolverine is capable of and that the hairball could probably take him in a fight but Cyke never shows an inkling of fear towards him. He takes a couple of oppurtunities for talking back if he feels wronged ("If I had to do that she wouldn't be my girl."/Fill her up.") but overlooks or laughs back at the crude stuff ("You're a dick."/flippin' the claw.) He knows he's in charge but he's never really condescending. I'm inclined to shake my head whenever I hear people say he's two dimensional or poorly portrayed. I think he showed more emotion in X2 than Storm "Sometimes anger helps us survive." did desPite having half her screen time.

 

[Torchd]

I have a question about cyclops how does he shoot his optic blast without pushing the button on his visor? In ultimate x men you could see the button in his hand but on the tv show and astonishing x men(it doesn't even look like he has a button on his visor in astonishing) he doesn't touch the visor so how does he shoot them? Thanks

 

[GNR]

i think they'll kill of Xaiver, and have Magneto take over the X-Men. like in the comics back in the 80s.

That would be b1tchin'.

 

[Ratcrawler]

I have a question about cyclops how does he shoot his optic blast without pushing the button on his visor? In ultimate x men you could see the button in his hand but on the tv show and astonishing x men(it doesn't even look like he has a button on his visor in astonishing) he doesn't touch the visor so how does he shoot them? Thanks

My guess is that the newer models are designed to unleash the blasts based on how he flexes the facial muscles around his eyes: Brows, lids and whatnot.

 

[Almighty Pejo]

I have a question about cyclops how does he shoot his optic blast without pushing the button on his visor? In ultimate x men you could see the button in his hand but on the tv show and astonishing x men(it doesn't even look like he has a button on his visor in astonishing) he doesn't touch the visor so how does he shoot them? Thanks

Cyclops' gloves were shown to have a hidden button on the palm in his spot-light backstory from the original X-Men comics, before the 1975 revamp. If he was ever in a bind where his arms were restrained, all he had to do to fire his optic blast was make a fist, pushing the button and raising the ruby quarts shield.

 

[GNR]

Cyclops' gloves were shown to have a hidden button on the palm in his spot-light backstory from the original X-Men comics, before the 1975 revamp. If he was ever in a bind where his arms were restrained, all he had to do to fire his optic blast was make a fist, pushing the button and raising the ruby quarts shield.

Yea they brought this back in the 2nd issue of Ultimate X-Men.

 

[Torchd]

Anymore news on how he does it in astonishing I've only read the first tpb? Thanks

 

[Torchd]

bump

 

[The Guard]

Also, does anybody else think that Cyclops comes off as the bigger man than Wolverine in these films?

Easily. Which is what I love about how he's been written.