Dark of the Moon OFFICIAL Dark of the Moon REVIEW THREAD

[CEREBRAL....]

sigh, you always do this you know.
"why can't people just..."

ok so I never said that
"taken bits n pieces from the orig, or one before doesnt not make the film enjoyable." I simply took your silly point, if you can even remember it, and threw it back in your face.
You said, and in not so many words, that bayformers had nothing memorable. You said it had no memorable lines. You said it had no memorable lines like the original did!
the precious ilk from the 80s.

what did I do was simply show you have oh so ironically wrong you were.
I never said jack all about if they took things from the original that it would make the film enjoyable(that would be more your line of thinking actually, and yes, that too is silly, I'm glad we agree)

Now if I start posting lines I found "memorable" from the first film, we could just argue in circles about if or not they are worthy of your standards. I'm not going to go that path, we've gone in circles over the topic of opinion have we not?

I'll just "deal with you" by way of objective deconstruction.

II'm arguing that the robots had similar lines in bayformers.
and that the lines themselves are corny and nothing special.

my quotes...
"i think if you google lines from the cartoon movie and then try to google memorable lines from the film. You would get your answer

because all i had to do was google lines from the cartoon movie and got sites on top of sites of memorable movie lines....and good movie lines at that! Ones that fit the characters..(bayformers..ahh give me some lines from that movie please, because i dont recall any)"

wow..your excuses are funny.

these werent quotes that were collected over a 30 year span, it was from the movie, one movie, and you're trying to tell me with todays technology. you can put up an eye poping website in months (i know because i do them) but you cant gather any note worthy quotes from a movie over 4 years ago?? really?? MY point, if the movie had note worthy quotes the vase majority would know about them.

2. I said didnt care? and you're making my point...they were good and memorable enough that they were put into these live action film, can you say 30 years from now they will do that to these live action films???

and your third point wasnt a homework assignment, it was basically asking you if you feel these films have memorable quotes, or lines..then please by all means show me. plan and simple.

ok...there's what i said...anyone can look at that, and go back and look at the exchange between you and i and see how off base you are. THank you.


and i dont see how you prove your point at all! But if you say so....

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I am Michael Bay and you are Armond White.

Correction: Armond White bashes great movies.

 

[bell110]

They obviously have script issues. But that has nothing to do with how people think the characters should have acted or what their roles should have been. People will forever whine that Joker wasn't perma white in TDK and people will forever whine that Optimus didn't have his face plate on more. Those people don't deserve to watch movies. Those aren't legitimate complaints.

I understand that, but the perma white and the face plate aren't script issues. How the characters are treated are. If TDK focused on Gordon and the GPD hunting a growling Joker and frat-boy Batman just showed up once and awhile to punched bad guys, it would be a pretty crappy Batman movie.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

progress...
not every can live in complete ignorance forever

progress toward what? You admitting that the Bayformers trilogy had no original dialogue that was memorable? t:

 

[chaseter]

Correction: Armond White bashes great movies.

Nah he likes some good movies. The reason he dislikes movies is idiotic though.

 

[Spider-X]

I am Michael Bay and you are Armond White.

youch...Armond White should be considered a swear word and were I a mod you'd be so banned for that comment. That's just super mean.

 

[chaseter]

I understand that, but the perma white and the face plate aren't script issues. How the characters are treated are. If TDK focused on Gordon and the GPD hunting a growling Joker and frat-boy Batman just showed up once and awhile to punched bad guys, it would be a pretty crappy Batman movie.

But there was really nothing wrong with Optimus or Sentinel in this movie if you want to compare Batman and Joker. People are complaining about Jazz? Really? And Barricade? It's the X-Men forums all over. Someone's huge complaint against First Class was that Banshee wasn't Irish. Nobody gives a flying fart. They are tertiary characters. As long as Banshee wasn't a German Nazi then they really didn't destroy his character. A script issue would be something like Ironhide's death. I didn't care that he died because there was no lead up to it and it was quick and done.

Everyone wants every character to all have tons of screen time and development like they did in 30 years of cartoon, comic, and toy history. Those aren't script issues. Those are creative decisions that really don't affect the movie. Jazz being movie Jazz didn't make Transformers 1 suck. Banshee being Banshee in First Class didn't make First Class suck.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

I dug the movie but am disappointed by the fact that Shockwave took a backseat for as long as he did and am disappointed about how you couldn't make sense of what he said whenever it seemed as if he was talking. Another thing I don't like is how easily Wheelie and Brain or whatever his name is stopped the Decepticon ships so damn easily, it should have been slightly challenging for them, at least. Oh and I still prefer Fox's character but Rosie's character was alright. I also wish that Soundwave was on screen some more. The dialog disappointed me, for the most part too much good dialog was left to be desired when it came to team Transformers. Lastly and imo, the movie had too much humor, however that is a small gripe to me. Oh and I thought that Lazerbeak was awesome. I thought that it was really sad to see 'Q' go, I didn't really give a **** about Ironhide dying. Don't get me wrong, I have always dug him in the movies but can easily do without his existing in them. And what the hell? Megatron was chilling out as if he literally woke up from taking a nap.

Lastly, I don't know why some Transformers fans have been praising some of the crappy lines that the Transformers had in DOTM. SOME, not all.

 

[Marvin]

ok...there's what i said...anyone can look at that, and go back and look at the exchange between you and i and see how off base you are. THank you.

actually, you and you pal were going on about

also although the TF cartoon movie wasnt to good. It has some great diaolgue in there

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i mean you dont get any of this kind of stuff in these live action films...

Don't forget: "Megtron must be stopped, no matter the cost" or "One shall stand and one shall fall".

Both are classics.

I also like "Soundwave superior, Constructicons inferior", "I got better things to do today than die" and "I still function".

I'm not understanding ..."what could of been" what do you mean by that?

and your second part, i dont understand. I just put a few quotes, that were written in the cartoon that was cheesy and not that great but still was written better then this live action movie. The robots had better lines..that was my point, are u agruing different?

in bold are the parts from your conversation that caught my rat like attention so I showed you the irony in the situation by posting quotes that appeared in both films. Effectively conveying fan boy bias at it's worst.
silmple

and i dont see how you prove your point at all! But if you say so....

I do.

 

[Marvin]

"Soundwave superior, Constructicons inferior"

my god.

 

[bell110]

But there was really nothing wrong with Optimus or Sentinel in this movie if you want to compare Batman and Joker. People are complaining about Jazz? Really? And Barricade? It's the X-Men forums all over. Someone's huge complaint against First Class was that Banshee wasn't Irish. Nobody gives a flying fart. They are tertiary characters. As long as Banshee wasn't a German Nazi then they really didn't destroy his character. A script issue would be something like Ironhide's death. I didn't care that he died because there was no lead up to it and it was quick and done.

Everyone wants every character to all have tons of screen time and development like they did in 30 years of cartoon, comic, and toy history. Those aren't script issues. Those are creative decisions that really don't affect the movie. Jazz being movie Jazz didn't make Transformers 1 suck. Banshee being Banshee in First Class didn't make First Class suck.

There was nothing wrong with Optimus and Sentinel, except they didn't get enough screen time. Well, they get more this time around, but as a whole in three movies. Yes, Ironhide's death is a script issue. There was no lead up, it was quick and done, and nobody cared because he was barely in the script. I only remember him in three scenes the entire movie. You can't compare people who want to see more Transformers with people who complain about face plates.

 

[chaseter]

Transformers has always had human characters. You won't ever see a 2 hour movie with only robots in it. You have to have a human element.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

And I am sorry but I thought that the death of Q was more heart breaking than Ironhide's, to me it was his reaction that made it superior.

I thought that it was really earnest.

 

[Marvin]

And I am sorry but I thought that the death of Q was more heart breaking than Ironhide's, to me it was his reaction that made it superior.

I thought that it was really earnest.

kinda sucks/stupid that all you essentially seen of the character is his death.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

"Soundwave superior, Constructicons inferior"

my god.

That line is funny in context because of how Soundwave says it. Because usually Soundwave doesn't talk trash yet he disses the Constructions.

G1: Where the Decepticons' personalities actually matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWb43IB3W-c

 

[Marvin]

That line is funny in context because of how Soundwave says it. Because usually Soundwave doesn't talk trash yet he disses the Constructions.

G1: Where the Decepticons' personalities actually matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWb43IB3W-c

I myself personally, don't think that clip does your cause any justice.
I do see a lot of interesting personalities though.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Transformers has always had human characters. You won't ever see a 2 hour movie with only robots in it. You have to have a human element.

As long as you spend a good chunk of that time exploring the personalities within the Transformer ranks so we actually care about their struggles and conflicts then I think that's good enough.

It would also be nice if the human drama and comedy wasn't embarassing or weak.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Did the Dreadknocks have no lines or is it just me? I don't remember them uttering words.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I myself personally, don't think that clip does your cause any justice.
.

I posted it for the quoted scene. But for me those clips have alot more replay value than most of what you find in Bayformers.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

actually, you and you pal were going on about





in bold are the parts from your conversation that caught my rat like attention so I showed you the irony in the situation by posting quotes that appeared in both films. Effectively conveying fan boy bias at it's worst.
silmple



I do.

what?? A couple lines from the film, the lines that actually paid kudos to the past..again as i tried to clearly say it to you....those couple of lines do not prove the live action film had great dialogue, i will say it again, those couple of lines do not prove the live action film had great dailogue....by any stretch of the imagination (at anytime you or whoever can prove me wrong by posting dialogue from the live-action film), how do you not get that, but other posters got what i was saying and adding on to my original point????? really, i mean really!!

so your trying to say both films had there ups and downs, and the TF live-action film can be look at, in the same light as the cartoon-film because they shared (actually took) a few lines from the cartoon film??? really, i mean really????


again you have not proven your point, of course to you, you have. But really all you showed was no clear evidence that the live action film has good dialogue, all you did was taken quotes from another film....again not proven your point. But whatever.....i just wanted evidence and i got none, i got recycled lines...ok good job!

 

[Marvin]

you said you don't remember good lines from the new movie, I showed you it had the same lines. how can you say you don't remember any good lines if it had the very line(s) you loved so much.

it's a case of selective hearing if you ask me.

moreover, you've hardly proved the original has good writing.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Did the Dreadknocks have no lines or is it just me? I don't remember them uttering words.

You mean The Dreads? The black SUVs? No. They just kinda growled at everyone.

 

[terry78]

Did the Dreadknocks have no lines or is it just me? I don't remember them uttering words.

They spoke Cybertronian when they were fake agreeing to drop their weapons to Ironhide and Sideswipe during the Mexican standoff scene.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Memeroable lines does count as good writing but more over Transformers the Animated Movie has many influences including Faust, Excalibur, and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

What influences do you see in Bayformers? Jackass? Insane Clown Posse?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

amosaw a midnight showing of the flick, but haven't had to chance to post my thoughts until now. i thought it was great! probably the best of the triology, and i really liked the first one. first off, i found the female lead to be a much better character than Mean Fox's. for one, she actually contributed to the story as more than just somebody for shia lebouf to hook up with. [BLACKOUT]the scene where she manipulates megatron comes to mind[/BLACKOUT]
i also found the sense of danger to be much more prominent
[BLACKOUT]the scene where laser beak is at the families house just sitting with the daughter was actually kind of disturbing and frightening when you really think about it. also, the whole third act perfectly executes the feelign that the end of the world was upon us. you never really got that feeling during the second one.[/BLACKOUT]
and yeah, the humor in the first act [BLACKOUT] ken jeong, even john malkovitch's characters amounted to nothing and were kind of like a bad vietnam flashback to revenge of the fallen, but the second and third acts more than made up for it [/BLACKOUT]. the action was great, [BLACKOUT]i loved the mexican stand off with sideswipe(?) ironhide and the two decepticons, specifically how ironhide humorously noted the mexican stand off. i felt that was a great subtle nod to personality[/BLACKOUT]
and i loved the fact that Sam actually had a character arc that wasn't hinged on his relationship, he actually had to deal with some real world issues, and had a pretty realistic (i feel ) reaction to dealing with these issues after all he's been through (ie. the feelings that he's meant for more, but is considered a "messenger" rather than a soldier (how's that for some memorable dialogue?). hell, even wheelie and brains got to partake in some of the action [BLACKOUT]i just love the fact that they actually contributed to the final battle in useful and rather cool fashion by infiltrating that ship and bringing down on top of soundwave, [/BLACKOUT] with moments like these i don't really see the issues with the writing...the story and character arcs alone showed that actual thought went into the script this time, everybody stepped up their game for this sequel and it showed IMO. it was a great conclusion to the trilogy. question though, i heard a rumor that if any more transformers movies are made, that speilberg might direct them. is this true?