Official DD Thread - Part 1

[Watchman]

Yeah, I'm glad that Waid is taking a new direction with Daredevil. While it's been great, the grim and gritty depressing take on Daredevil has now run it's course for 30 years since Miller revolutionized the Daredevil mythos, overall it's been consistently great, and it's sad that it ended with the wasted potential that was Shadowland.

But just like how a "legitimate" Lex Luthor could only last for so long, so could this take on Daredevil. Waid isn't going to camp it up or anything and it'll remain in it's noir roots, but at least he's going away from the "How can we ruin Matt's life now?" take, add in some more superhero elements, make it a bit happier.

Agreed. To me putting Matt Murdock through the wringer has become self-parody.

 

[venom892]

After Shadowland there isn't much left you can do to the guy.

 

[Watchman]

Make him deaf?

 

[hippie_hunter]

After Shadowland there isn't much left you can do to the guy.

Shadowland makes me sad of just how much wasted potential there was in that story. It should have been the culmination of pretty much 30 years of giving Matt Murdock crap after crap after crap since Frank Miller reinvented the character, that he finally broke down. Between the death of Karen Page, the Kingpin destroying his life, his wife going crazy, his identity being outed, being an outlawed vigilante due to the Superhuman Registration Act, Norman Osborn making Bullseye an Avenger and sending him to kill over 100 people, failing to turn the Hand into a force for good and being corrupted by them, etc., enough is enough. But no, instead they pulled a Hal Jordan on us.

Now tell me which one would have been the better story? And which one would have been a more fitting conclusion to the Miller Era of Daredevil?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I don't know. I may just have to skim through them to decide if I'll keep going.

And while I know Waid is a good writer, I honestly can't remember a single comic of his that I've read!!!

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't know. I may just have to skim through them to decide if I'll keep going.

And while I know Waid is a good writer, I honestly can't remember a single comic of his that I've read!!!

The Flash, Fantastic Four, Amazing Spider-Man, Legion of Super-Heroes Threeboot, JLA, Captain America, Kingdom Come.

 

[The Batman]

This is what I've been wishing for years, really. Royally screwing with Matt has become cliche'd and tired. It's time to remind people of DD's roots as a swashbuckling hero.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think that Daredevil should be back to swashbuckling, but I do think that we need a middle ground between noir and traditional superheroing. More light heartedness, but no campiness. The middle ground is what I think that Waid is trying to go for, which makes me happy. I don't think that after 30 years of grimdark storytelling that you can just go the complete opposite right away, people will get scared and turned away. You need to gradually build them up to it.

 

[JewishHobbit]

The Flash, Fantastic Four, Amazing Spider-Man, Legion of Super-Heroes Threeboot, JLA, Captain America, Kingdom Come.

Ah, Kingdom Come was definately good. Did he do any Amazing Spidey pre-BND? I never read any of his BND stuff (I think he did some BND anyway). It's possible I'd have read an FF issue or two of his but I don't know for sure. I've read a lot of hit and miss comics through the years but don't know who wrote them.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

if you have not read Waid's FF run, do it immediately. some of the finest comics ever written.

 

[Nightwing 52]

I don't think that Daredevil should be back to swashbuckling, but I do think that we need a middle ground between noir and traditional superheroing. More light heartedness, but no campiness. The middle ground is what I think that Waid is trying to go for, which makes me happy. I don't think that after 30 years of grimdark storytelling that you can just go the complete opposite right away, people will get scared and turned away. You need to gradually build them up to it.

Agreed. I'm liking the sound of Waid's approach to DD.

More than the Bendis mind **** approach with MK.

 

[JewishHobbit]

if you have not read Waid's FF run, do it immediately. some of the finest comics ever written.

Wait, okay... I did read some of his run. I read from Unthinkable through Hereafter and enjoyed them very much

 

[Drz]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31330

- Daredevil returns to New York obviously after DD: Reborn.
- DD wants to ignore the recent crap he's gone thru and just get back to superheroics, dilemmas rise as he has to win the hearts of people.
- Less Noir, more about DD diving into the scariest perils out there that would make a Green Lantern shriek like a lil' girl.
- DD has relocated into the Uptown, Hell's Kitchen is back to "normal" compared to what it was in Shadowland.
- Having returned to New York and reclaimed the Daredevil identity, Matt's trying to rebuild his law practice -- but it's going disastrously. Even if the majority of locals aren't totally convinced the rumors are true about him having a double identity, the attorneys he goes up against in court are eager to bring it up early and often to force mistrials or worse. Matt's doing his clients no favors by representing them -- so he has to find a new way to practice law, and I'm proud to say we've never seen it before in this series, and it really works.
- Lots of hero appearences coming up since noone trusts him.
- DD has become the hero other heroes used to root for, to the guy they just fear of getting disappointed at.
- Waid doesn't want to use Kingpin or Ninjas, he can write DD for a long time withouth either of them.
- Waid has never had as much fun writing any Marvel character than Daredevil right now.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I have missed all of these latest developments in DD, I was really into the Brubaker run, but had to stop buying comics at the point of the Lady Bullseye story due to funds etc.
So, noticing they were doing this DD RB mini series, I got the first two issues yesterday, and I was a little disapointed. I didn't know what had happened to him that made him have to be born once again, but I did not expect another 'DD as the stranger who rides into the small town with a problem' story, this is the third time I have read this story with DD. That John Buscema/Miller issue, and the one from the 90s by John Romita Jnr and Ann Nocenti, with Blob and Pyro.
Anyway, it was alright, I will get the last two issues , probably, but I might try and pick DD up monthly again, I would have preferred to have seen him in the city for this mini series, that is what the cover of the first issue suggested was happening.
lol, and yeah, I do like to see him put through the wringer, but you are all right, they can't keep doing that to the character, they have to mix it up a bit with more regular adventures.
I have some of the old pre-Miller Gene Colan issues, and hey, they are pretty good superhero comics, without all the grim stuff, most likely elevated by GC's art though, but as long as the character still has interesting problems to circumnavigate, they don't need to drag his psyche through the soul stomping machine every plot, but, lol, they are good those stories.

 

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31330

- Daredevil returns to New York obviously after DD: Reborn.
- DD wants to ignore the recent crap he's gone thru and just get back to superheroics, dilemmas rise as he has to win the hearts of people.
- Less Noir, more about DD diving into the scariest perils out there that would make a Green Lantern shriek like a lil' girl.
- DD has relocated into the Uptown, Hell's Kitchen is back to "normal" compared to what it was in Shadowland.
- Having returned to New York and reclaimed the Daredevil identity, Matt's trying to rebuild his law practice -- but it's going disastrously. Even if the majority of locals aren't totally convinced the rumors are true about him having a double identity, the attorneys he goes up against in court are eager to bring it up early and often to force mistrials or worse. Matt's doing his clients no favors by representing them -- so he has to find a new way to practice law, and I'm proud to say we've never seen it before in this series, and it really works.
- Lots of hero appearences coming up since noone trusts him.
- DD has become the hero other heroes used to root for, to the guy they just fear of getting disappointed at.
- Waid doesn't want to use Kingpin or Ninjas, he can write DD for a long time withouth either of them.
- Waid has never had as much fun writing any Marvel character than Daredevil right now.

A little disappointed about the lack of Kingpin, but everything else makes me happy.

I think that the Kingpin would be an awesome character to use right now in various books now that he has control of the Hand and has characters like Hobgoblin and Lady Bullseye under his employ. He'd be a great focus for a crossover for some street level characters like Amazing Spider-Man, Daredevil, and the Punisher.

 

[The Batman]

I don't think that Daredevil should be back to swashbuckling, but I do think that we need a middle ground between noir and traditional superheroing. More light heartedness, but no campiness. The middle ground is what I think that Waid is trying to go for, which makes me happy. I don't think that after 30 years of grimdark storytelling that you can just go the complete opposite right away, people will get scared and turned away. You need to gradually build them up to it.

I'm not saying "swashbuckling" as in the earlier stories, but more like waid has been describing.

Everything waid's been saying is exactly what I want to see done with the character. No more reliance on kingpin or the hand, reestablishing his role in the marvel universe, etc.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Well, looks like I'm going to have to start buying Daredevil again. The character did have a very nice run under Bendis and Brubaker. After that it kind of lost its momentum so I had to drop it for money saving purposes but Mark Waid will definitely have me picking it up again!

 

[JewishHobbit]

The interview does make it sound more promising.

I like that the preview images for Waid's run show the art by the two artists, but the one by I think Martin is written by Fred Van Lente and not Waid.

 

[roach]

Ah, Kingdom Come was definately good. Did he do any Amazing Spidey pre-BND? I never read any of his BND stuff (I think he did some BND anyway). It's possible I'd have read an FF issue or two of his but I don't know for sure. I've read a lot of hit and miss comics through the years but don't know who wrote them.

He also wrote Superman:Birthright which in my opinion is the greatest Superman story ever told...I have never got choked up reading a comic and Birthright's ending did just that

 

[TwilightPro101]

Looking forward to seeing Waid's run on Daredevil.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I'm not saying "swashbuckling" as in the earlier stories, but more like waid has been describing.

Everything waid's been saying is exactly what I want to see done with the character. No more reliance on kingpin or the hand, reestablishing his role in the marvel universe, etc.

The vibe I'm getting from Waid's comments is that his run will be almost similar to 70's Batman comics. They were essentially crime comics, but they were still fun and full of adventure.

 

[roach]

Just found out that Mark Waid will be at my local comic book shop on thursday....Birthright is on hand to be signed

 

[The Batman]

The vibe I'm getting from Waid's comments is that his run will be almost similar to 70's Batman comics. They were essentially crime comics, but they were still fun and full of adventure.

I hope its similar to 70's Batman comics...those are some of the best batman comics ever made.

Now, if only Waid could get Matt and Black Widow back together....unless she's still dating bucky.

 

[venom892]

I like Widow with Bucky.I can't see how Matt would even want to pursue a relationship with any women after Elektra,Karen and Milla.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I am stoked for the new DD. Waid has never let me down, and I'm ready to see some more fun DD stories. they've been a long time coming, if you ask me.