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The Official Black Panther Thread - Part 1

So I caught up to the last three months last night, and American Panther is not T'Challa. Man if Liss is reading this board man I apologize. I was PISSED when I saw that cover and lost it. I'm glad that it's turning out different. Of course I still would rather T'Challa be back in Wakanda doing kingly things. The current direction is well written with some really good art, but the premise is still an issue for me. I know that T'Challa has filled in for Daredevil before, and I know he's done things in America. That still doesn't make it the best direction for him. A king could "test" himself a helluva lot better than by being a vigilante in some random neighborhood in another country.

As for the Cyke and Storm cover, it looks like a flashback. I don't see Storm rocking the mohawk anymore, so I figure it's a flashback story or something. Regardless of whether it's Storm cheating on T'Challa or not, they really need to do something with the marriage. It's barely been referenced, and both of them aren't even interacting. It's like they just ignore it now. If they're going to end it then end it, but if not then they should write them as a couple instead of like what they're doing now.
 
They turned him evil and he ended up dying. It happened in Astonishing X-Men so there's a 99.5% chance it will be ignored.

Of course they did, he is native american and marvel hates native americans.

It's a shame, I always loved forge and dug him and storm. Inferno was badass thanks to them. Actually inferno was badass for a lot of reasons, but that was a big one.
 
So I caught up to the last three months last night, and American Panther is not T'Challa. Man if Liss is reading this board man I apologize. I was PISSED when I saw that cover and lost it. I'm glad that it's turning out different. Of course I still would rather T'Challa be back in Wakanda doing kingly things. The current direction is well written with some really good art, but the premise is still an issue for me. I know that T'Challa has filled in for Daredevil before, and I know he's done things in America. That still doesn't make it the best direction for him. A king could "test" himself a helluva lot better than by being a vigilante in some random neighborhood in another country.
While I'm glad that the American Panther is not T'Challa, still doesn't change that this issue sucked. The Fear Itself arc is even worse than both the Storm Hunter and initial arcs.
 
Name me one native american that hasn't gotten severely dicked over by marvel. Go ahead, I dares ya. The one that's done the best honestly would probably be puma and that's not saying much.

Ok, I'll throw you some names and you tell me how they were screwed over because it will be news to me:

Danielle Moonstar
Echo
Puma
Warpath
Wyatt Wingfoot
Zack Moonhunter
 
Didn't Dani Moonstar get her powers takin'?
 
Ok, I'll throw you some names and you tell me how they were screwed over because it will be news to me:

Danielle Moonstar
Echo
Puma
Warpath
Wyatt Wingfoot
Zack Moonhunter

Moonstar got her powers taken.
Echo's had sex with hawkeye so that like 15-20 stds and she can't talk.
Puma's lost all his money, and now he's with a chick that doesn't even like him.
Warpath is basically boring unless he's in his I'm gonna kill everyone mode.
Wyatt is a good mascott for the FF.
Moonhunter I just had to look up. He looks like an excellent chauffeur.
 
Moonstar got her powers taken.
Echo's had sex with hawkeye so that like 15-20 stds and she can't talk.
Puma's lost all his money, and now he's with a chick that doesn't even like him.
Warpath is basically boring unless he's in his I'm gonna kill everyone mode.
Wyatt is a good mascott for the FF.
Moonhunter I just had to look up. He looks like an excellent chauffeur.

Dani is way cooler without the powers. DnA have done a great job with her so far in their New Mutants run. She's been the featured character and has stood face to face with Cyclops and Steve Rogers.

The Echo/Hawkeye fling was cool but was quickly dropped for Mockingbird and 5 min later that was dropped for an out of left field love affair with Jessica Drew. I blame Marvel for that one doing everything they can to make Clint Barton the "Situation" of the Marvel U.

Puma is a classic Spider-Man villain/ally from another decade that has seem to have been unfairly forgotten about, so I'll give you that one. But, seriously, how many times has Tony Stark gone broke? The relationship with Black Cat was character development that was lost in the mix.

Warpath was an interesting character during Brubaker's UXM before the X-Force kill squad. The fact he was there was a head-scratcher to begin with.

Moonhunter was a major supporting character in Captain America at one point.


I'm not seeing exactly how Marvel hold Native American characters back - but let's be honest, it's not exactly their target demographic. Yeah, they don't have a major Native American hero like Black Panther is for African Americans but I certainly wouldn't exactly compare the situation to those old Merrie Melodies cartoons from the 60's that had the major racial stereotypical overtones.
 
Dani is way cooler without the powers. DnA have done a great job with her so far in their New Mutants run. She's been the featured character and has stood face to face with Cyclops and Steve Rogers.

Not to mention gotten Valkyrie powers and scared the crap out of Ares as a result.

But really, if the measure is who hasn't gotten dicked over severely by Marvel, then NO character is exempt from that. Name me one Marvel character, period, that hasn't been dicked over by Marvel at one time or another. My guess is, all of them have. Not only that, but the major ones have been dicked over far more often than the smaller ones, if for no other reason than they appear more often, giving Marvel more chances to screw them over.
 
Wow, does Marvel want to give Cyclops a reputation as a serial philanderer? What is he, the mutant Bill Clinton?

...although I can definitely see Emma Frost as Hillary. The Ice Queen cometh!
 
Dani is way cooler without the powers. DnA have done a great job with her so far in their New Mutants run. She's been the featured character and has stood face to face with Cyclops and Steve Rogers.

The Echo/Hawkeye fling was cool but was quickly dropped for Mockingbird and 5 min later that was dropped for an out of left field love affair with Jessica Drew. I blame Marvel for that one doing everything they can to make Clint Barton the "Situation" of the Marvel U.

Puma is a classic Spider-Man villain/ally from another decade that has seem to have been unfairly forgotten about, so I'll give you that one. But, seriously, how many times has Tony Stark gone broke? The relationship with Black Cat was character development that was lost in the mix.

Warpath was an interesting character during Brubaker's UXM before the X-Force kill squad. The fact he was there was a head-scratcher to begin with.

Moonhunter was a major supporting character in Captain America at one point.


I'm not seeing exactly how Marvel hold Native American characters back - but let's be honest, it's not exactly their target demographic. Yeah, they don't have a major Native American hero like Black Panther is for African Americans but I certainly wouldn't exactly compare the situation to those old Merrie Melodies cartoons from the 60's that had the major racial stereotypical overtones.

If you say so about Dani, I disagree.

It might have been quick but let me tell you something I learned from countless videos in the service: Herpes is for life.

Puma was cast out by his tribe, has tony stark been like thrown out of being an american citizen and I didn't catch it? Tony is also a brilliant inventor, he just makes something and bam he's rich again. The relationship is there, she's in love with peter and puma is just something to pass the time, he knows this.

Warpath has never been interesting. He's always just been an assassin type.

I checked, it mentioned about ten issues of cap, maybe that's a major player to you but I'm not seeing it. I never even heard of the dude.

Not their target demographic? Do you really want to go down that road? Cause the main buying public for comics are 20-30 year old white north american males. You want all your superheroes worth a damn to be in that mix exclusively?

But you're right, native americans haven't really been hit with major bad cultural stereotypes the way blacks have. It's probably because 95% of all of them have been killed off by europeans so there weren't enough of them to matter.

I would just like to see a bit more diversity in things. And BP is like the worst black role model ever being a king and all. But mind you I'm not asking for like an all native american avengers just maybe like one or two that aren't just standard stereotypes would be cool. I'd dig the hell out of say the puma on the avengers over wolverine any day of the week.
 
So I caught up to the last three months last night, and American Panther is not T'Challa. Man if Liss is reading this board man I apologize. I was PISSED when I saw that cover and lost it. I'm glad that it's turning out different. Of course I still would rather T'Challa be back in Wakanda doing kingly things. The current direction is well written with some really good art, but the premise is still an issue for me. I know that T'Challa has filled in for Daredevil before, and I know he's done things in America. That still doesn't make it the best direction for him. A king could "test" himself a helluva lot better than by being a vigilante in some random neighborhood in another country.

As for the Cyke and Storm cover, it looks like a flashback. I don't see Storm rocking the mohawk anymore, so I figure it's a flashback story or something. Regardless of whether it's Storm cheating on T'Challa or not, they really need to do something with the marriage. It's barely been referenced, and both of them aren't even interacting. It's like they just ignore it now. If they're going to end it then end it, but if not then they should write them as a couple instead of like what they're doing now.

I agree pretty much with you. I just can't force myself to buy this American Panther arc, though I have skimmed through both issues at the comic book store. The latest issue was bad, and not in a good way.

The American Panther concept doesn't make much sense. Why choose a Panther instead of an animal more associated with America? I think the idea was just for shock value and it got people talking, but the AP character is pretty much a nonentity. Maybe if it had been a mind-controlled Kasper Cole it would've made more sense. Or BP's old cop friend, the grizzled sergeant, then AP would have some emotional resonance, but as it stands he's just as random a villain as the new Hatemonger seems to be.

Liss did a pretty good job with Vlad and he handled Kraven well enough, but he's dropped the ball with Hatemonger. Personally I wish they had been more daring and used a FOX News 'journalist'-type for the new HM, but I know that Marvel is scared of offending the Tea Party crowd.

I also agree with you on the marriage. End or develop it (development is what I would prefer). Stop the forced separation.
 

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