Official JLA discussion thread - Part 1

[Primal Slayer]

I dont know why they keep trying to dance around the TT question. You would think they would get the basics down of what happened when with who before changing up the timeline that drastic and make such big changes like Cyborg being an orig. JLA member.

 

[Anubis]

That's far too much to ask.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Where are you getting that from? Curious.

Because heroes have been public for 5 years now, the JL being formed 5 years ago. So either the orig. TT happened before the JL was formed and announced themselves to the world thus TT running around in secret saving the world, or they happened during with enough time for Dick to go from Robin to Nightwing to Batman back to Nightwing.

 

[taskmaster]

I dont know why they keep trying to dance around the TT question. You would think they would get the basics down of what happened when with who before changing up the timeline that drastic and make such big changes like Cyborg being an orig. JLA member.

It could be that they actually want some stuff to get revealed in the books so people will have a reason to read them, rather than them knowing everything before hand. And Berganza has said that they have a timeline they're working from, which I hope the publish at some point.

 

[Anubis]

Because heroes have been public for 5 years now, the JL being formed 5 years ago. So either the orig. TT happened before the JL was formed and announced themselves to the world thus TT running around in secret saving the world, or they happened during with enough time for Dick to go from Robin to Nightwing to Batman back to Nightwing.

Which would predate the League. It's that five year thing. It's f**king everything up. If it was just 5 years after Supes showed up, then you could extend it however long you need to fit in what you want. But that's not the case.

 

[Anubis]

It could be that they actually want some stuff to get revealed in the books so people will have a reason to read them, rather than them knowing everything before hand. And Berganza has said that they have a timeline they're working from, which I hope the publish at some point.

But it's more likely they'll shove what they want in as they see fit to do so on the fly.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I dont think the orig. TT still being in tact would be a big surprise for people. Donna/Wally/Raven/BeastBoy/Garth still being in continuity shouldnt be that hard of a question. Espically when TT used to be DCs biggest books.

 

[taskmaster]

But it's more likely they'll shove what they want in as they see fit to do so on the fly.

All of the timeline stuff is directly related to Flashpoint which isn't even over yet. They're not going to spoil the ending of that so any questions we have about the timeline won't be answered until then.

 

[Anubis]

No it's not. Flashpoint is just a catalyst. Just like COIE, Just like Infinite Crisis, the ending of the actual mini will have no impact on what they decide to do with the new timeline other than the fact that there is now a new timeline as a result of the event.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I dont think the orig. TT still being in tact would be a big surprise for people. Donna/Wally/Raven/BeastBoy/Garth still being in continuity shouldnt be that hard of a question. Espically when TT used to be DCs biggest books.

That's not the only roster people are most concerned about. The first TT was Dick Grasyon Robin, Garth Aqualad, Donna Troy Wondergirl, and Wally Kid Flash. Then down the line Roy Harper Speedy joined and become the core/original TT. And it is THOSE 5 characters--with the SOMEWHAT exception of Dick--that is getting screwed over the most. These are characters that are like 50+ years old of publication that are getting no love when you have characters who are not as old getting love with the reboot. As of right now, no plans for Wally and no mention of Donna or Garth anywhere. The current plans makes those 5 characters close friendships all gone which is a LOT of years in terms of character development. JLA was always a team...TT was always a "family".

 

[taskmaster]

No it's not. Flashpoint is just a catalyst. Just like COIE, Just like Infinite Crisis, the ending of the actual mini will have no impact on what they decide to do with the new timeline other than the fact that there is now a new timeline as a result of the event.

That's not right though. I know that during one of the panels they said there would be a spread in Flashpoint #5 showing the transition from one universe to the next.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07...the-journey-from-flashpoint-to-the-dc-new-52/

 

[trustyside-kick]

In trying to keep the Bat Mythos intact I think that is hurting the reboot the most. Aside from Superman HAVING to be the first hero to inspire the rest. GL keeping their mythos doesn't mean much else for affecting the rest of the DCU. But I mean saying that Jason and Dick were both still Robin...and Tim was Robin long enough to evolve to Red Robin...seriously. And yet the JLA is only 5 years old. And Supes HAS to be the first so no JSA.

 

[taskmaster]

Being a vigilante in Gotham and being the first Superhero are two different things.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Except it wont matter if you die or anything in Flashpoint since majority of things are getting reset. Thus you wont be spoiling anything if you say "yes the TT were around, yes we are screwing you YJ fans over by throwing it out of continuity".

 

[Anubis]

Being a vigilante in Gotham and being the first Superhero are two different things.

Sure, if you wanna ignore the fact that Batman is in fact a Superhero.

 

[taskmaster]

I wasn't referring to deaths. I was referring to things like Flashpoint Cyborg getting folded into the new universe so he can be a founding member of the Justice League, all of the Wildstorm characters who are being introduced in Flashpoint coming over, things like that.

 

[Anubis]

So, Apollo and Midnighter in Flashpoint, are the same exact Apollo and Midnighter in the new universe?

 

[taskmaster]

Sure, if you wanna ignore the fact that Batman is in fact a Superhero.

I'm not one of those people who thinks Batman should be some dark loner and that Superhero is a dirty word. But the way I look at it is Batman doesn't become a Superhero until Superman makes the way for all Superheroes. Until the point where he starts working with people with God-like powers he's just a guy in Gotham City with some money trying his best to make a difference. It's his friends and teammates that elevate him to Superhero status and he rises to that title and shows he belongs.

Apollo and Midnighter haven't appeared yet, as far as I know but I wouldn't doubt it later in the series. Grifter has shown up and another Wildstorm character appear at the end of the second issue of Deathstroke's mini but I can't quite remember her name.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I was just using that as an example that it wont be spoiling anything by telling us about TT and Donna and co. since I doubt Flashpoint is going to go that in depth in its last issue to explain if they got erased or are lost somewhere.

 

[Anubis]

I'm not one of those people who thinks Batman should be some dark loner and that Superhero is a dirty word. But the way I look at it is Batman doesn't become a Superhero until Superman makes the way for all Superheroes. Until the point where he starts working with people with God-like powers he's just a guy in Gotham City with some money trying his best to make a difference. It's his friends and teammates that elevate him to Superhero status and he rises to that title and shows he belongs.

Apollo and Midnighter haven't appeared yet, as far as I know but I wouldn't doubt it later in the series. Grifter has shown up and another Wildstorm character appear at the end of the second issue of Deathstroke's mini but I can't quite remember her name.

Voodoo? And still, are they the exact same in the Flashpoint timeline as they are in the new one? Grifter running around hunting down Daemonites all Rhody Rhody Piper in "They Live" like, and Voodoo doing the half human half daemonite Hulk Stripper thing? (I READ SOLICITS! )


If Batman's history is for the most part untouched, then I think he still counts as a Superhero.

Fights crime in a kewl costume? Check.

Has battled powerful enemies like Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze? Check

Has saved the entire city and the world from threats that a normal beat cop or hell, even the CIA couldn't possibly even fathom? Check

Superhero.

Unless all that stuff is shoved into the last 5 years of his career or something.

 

[taskmaster]

Voodoo?


If Batman's history is for the most part untouched, then I think he still counts as a Superhero.

Fights crime in a kewl costume? Check.

Has battled powerful enemies like Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze? Check

Has saved the entire city and the world from threats that a normal beat cop or hell, even the CIA couldn't possibly even fathom? Check

Superhero.

Unless all that stuff is shoved into the last 5 years of his career or something.

The stuff with the League would have been put in the last five years. Things like beating white martians, shooting Darksied, the superhero stuff. He'll be a Superhero in the present stuff but as of Justice League #1 I don't think he'll qualify. But during that story and afterwards he will.

And the character's name in the Deathstroke book was Jenny Blitz. I haven't read much Wildstorm so I'm not sure who she's supposed to be.

 

[Compi716]

Weren't things simpler when Marv Wolfman promised himself to not kill any characters older than he during COIE? If only the guys running DC had the same respect for.

 

[Anubis]

The stuff with the League would have been put in the last five years. Things like beating white martians, shooting Darksied, the superhero stuff. He'll be a Superhero in the present stuff but as of Justice League #1 I don't think he'll qualify. But during that story and afterwards he will.

And the character's name in the Deathstroke book was Jenny Blitz. I haven't read much Wildstorm so I'm not sure who she's supposed to be.

Oh, Jenny Sparks/Quantum. Awesome character.

 

[taskmaster]

Oh, Jenny Sparks/Quantum. Awesome character.

The September books will be my introduction to Wildstorm characters. I'm getting Stormwatch mostly to see what's going on with J'onn but I have wanted to get in The Authority. Apollo, Midnighter and Jack Hawksmoor all seem pretty interesting.

 

[Anubis]

I'd suggest you do so.

I take it the Deathstroke Mini takes place in the past of the Flashpoint timeline what with Jenny's name being Blitz. You see, she's a Century baby. These awesome characters created in the WU. Jenny Sparks was the Spirit of the 20th Century. Born Jan 1, 1900 along with a number of other extraordinary individuals. A defense Mechanism the planet creates. She died Dec 31, 1999, killing God. (Damn I miss Wildstorm. Man they had some out there kinda s**t going on.)

So, I'm going to assume that Jenny Blitz is that worlds version of Jenny Sparks.

(Incidentally, Jenny Quantum is the spirit of the 21st century. Same chain smoking, order barking, b***h, only 11 years old.)