Official Rate & Review Spider-Man 3 Thread! *SPOILERS*

[Trevor Goodchild]

JJ. Jr. is a throw away character in this series and has nothing to do with Peter Parker. He was merely there for Mary Jane. Gwen Stacy on the other hand is a major character in the mythos as well as this movie. The story is about Peter Parker...so naturally his involvement with someone, Gwen Stacy, is going to have more behind it that Mary Jane's involvement with someone, JJ Jr. You also have to realize that Mary Jane and Peter Parker were finally together in SM3. So a love triangle in SM3 would need more depth than just another fling for Mary Jane or Peter Parker since they have gotten serious. Gwen was treated alright...but it should have been better...much better

Thing is I detest love triangles altogether. They’re a cheep way to insert sleazy soap opera drama into the story. I always find myself rooting more for the third wheel, since they are the throwaway victims in that dysfunctional relationship.

And yeah no

Nothing in the Dark Knight impressed me as much as Sandman’s ending, so yes.

Being emotional and wearing clothes to show your emotional state are two different things. So no it is not.

The last thing emotional states are about is clothes. Punk, goth, hippy, emo and the like are all states of mind and behaviour.

 

[chaseter]

Thing is I detest love triangles altogether. They’re a cheep way to insert sleazy soap opera drama into the story. I always find myself rooting more for the third wheel, since they are the throwaway victims in that dysfunctional relationship.

Yeah I hate them too...they are hardly ever done right

Nothing in the Dark Knight impressed me as much as Sandman’s ending, so yes.

Well then you are in the tiny minority on that one

The last thing emotional states are about is clothes. Punk, goth, hippy, emo and the like are all states of mind and behaviour.

All of those you listed are no more states of mind or behavior...they are merely trends. The funny thing about SM3 is that Peter got cocky and pompous, everything he is not yet he dressed like an emo loser. States of mind do not always translate into fabric representations and that is what Raimi got wrong and he made a stereotypical emo crybaby that felt akward and ruined that character dynamic.

 

[Nightmare]

thing is i detest love triangles altogether. They’re a cheep way to insert sleazy soap opera drama into the story. I always find myself rooting more for the third wheel, since they are the throwaway victims in that dysfunctional relationship.


nothing in the dark knight impressed me as much as sandman’s ending, so yes.


the last thing emotional states are about is clothes. Punk, goth, hippy, emo and the like are all states of mind and behaviour.

what the ****.

 

[Dark Victory]

what the ****.

I'll second that.

 

[Venom 1988]

what the ****.

Yea that pretty much made me do this

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Yeah I hate them too...they are hardly ever done right

I mean, what’s even ‘right’ about them? It’s just a way to put a pejorative relationship into an even deeper pit of despair.
It shows how unimaginative people are when a ‘love triangle’ is the predominant theme of ‘romantic dramas’, in which there’s rarely anything truly romantic.

Well then you are in the tiny minority on that one

Yeah, I love being unique that way. If only it wasn’t met with such hostility do to lack of comprehension from most other people.
The thing is, Sandman’s conclusion stands out of what otherwise is just another popcorn flick for kids. To me it was a nice surprise and looking at the rest of the movie, I doubt Raimi fully grasped on what he truly reached out with that ending. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I enjoyed it.
While The Dark Knight is much more professional and I did enjoy it quite a bit. All the intellectual stuff that Nolan tapped into with it I already seen elsewhere. I watch plenty of art house and indie films outside mainstream genres that’s why, while others cheered at how high the new Batman raised the bar for superhero movies, I was more like: “pfft, about time.”
My particular opinion also has to do with the fact that TDK is a crime drama. As much as I adore some films of that genre, I’m more into philosophical explorations, from which I could learn something new. To me Nolan seems like the Michel Bay of art house films - he taps into brilliant things but his approach proves to be too simple. He’s much more concerned with impressing his viewers cinematically, rather than with the story.
I like The Prestige the best out of his work. It’s a great introduction for those who want to learn more about smarter and more artistic movies.
As for The Dark Knight, surely it’s better than Spider-Man 3 but just because a movie is better doesn’t mean it has better moments.

All of those you listed are no more states of mind or behavior...they are merely trends.

Actually at least two of those - punk and hippy are genuine movements.
Goth is arguable but it left a heavy impression on both mainstream and underground culture nonetheless.
All of them can be perceived as mere trends for giggles but with a success like that there’s something deeper to be recognised in them.
Only time will tell if ‘emo’ will leave a better impression than the embarrassment it currently is.

The funny thing about SM3 is that Peter got cocky and pompous, everything he is not yet he dressed like an emo loser. States of mind do not always translate into fabric representations and that is what Raimi got wrong and he made a stereotypical emo crybaby that felt akward and ruined that character dynamic.

That is true but that didn’t begin with SM3.
What I understand to be ‘emo’ is a personality easily swayed into a variety of excessive emotional outbursts constantly shifting as they see fit based on their situation and surroundings. To me Raimi’s Peter fits that definition at least mildly.

And damn, Venom…that’s disturbing…
If I was sensitive enough to care, I would report it.

 

[chaseter]

^You still don't get my point. He might have been in an emotional state but that doesn't mean you have to dress like the stereotypical emo wrist cutter kid and dance to music from the 20's.

 

[LostSon88]

Yea that pretty much made me do this

I've seen this before but...was this gif enhanced or somethin'? I don't recall all of that blood in the end.

 

[Blader5489]

^You still don't get my point. He might have been in an emotional state but that doesn't mean you have to dress like the stereotypical emo wrist cutter kid and dance to music from the 20's.

James Brown = 1920s music?

 

[Silver Spider]

^I know right.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^I know right.

Indeed.

 

[Vile]

So THAT is what was wrong with all the dancing! I thought the music was from the 20's! Phew...glad that was cleared up.

Dance on, Pete. Dance on.

*end sarcasm HERE.*

 

[chaseter]

James Brown = 1920s music?

At the jazz club

^I know right.

*Throws back blonde hair* I know right.

Indeed.

 

[chaseter]

So THAT is what was wrong with all the dancing! I thought the music was from the 20's! Phew...glad that was cleared up.

Dance on, Pete. Dance on.

*end sarcasm HERE.*

*end sarcasm HERE*

 

[Venom75]

Actually,I had heard rumors before the film was even released that J.J. Jameson would really makes Peter's life a living hell at the Bugle because MJ left John Jameson for Peter. I thought that was an interesting angle and wanted to see that. It did kinda suck how that whole storyline was just dropped after part 2. Of course,there was so much else going on that the Jameson storyline didn't have any time to even be mentioned.
I was also kinda disappointed in the fact that Spidey did not come and "terrorize" the Bugle while wearing the black suit. Jameson is printing all these stories trying to discredit Spidey,calling him a criminal,and Spider-man does nothing about it? It would've been perfect to see black suit Spider-man threaten Jameson and pretty much turn a blind eye to bank robberies and other criminal activities. That way,the city could kinda turn it's back on Spider-man and maybe start to believe the Daily Bugle. Is Spider-man really a threat or a menace?
There was so many possibilities with the black suit but it was all wasted.

 

[chaseter]

^Add to that the fact that we all wanted to see MJ come into Peter's dark apartment and he have on the black suit and scare her. But instead we got New Goblin somehow in MJ's apartment on his loud glider without her noticing???

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

^
At least that glider part I’m pretty sure was a stylistic choice.
Raimi did something similar once before in Evil Dead 2.

 

[chaseter]

^
At least that glider part I’m pretty sure was a stylistic choice.
Raimi did something similar once before in Evil Dead 2.

Stylism then affected common sense

 

[The Flea]

I gave it a 6. To me, this is an OK movie in an (before SM3) excellent series.

I recently watched the Commentary on the film. It sounded like the film was actually going to be pretty decent, but they kept on having to change things. Venom was forced on the movie at the last minute and they had to go back and change everything to make it to work (somewhat). Gwen was supposed to be kidnapped instead of MJ, but they changed that too (I dk why...bc Bryce was pregnant?). They had an original idea with Sandman and the Vulture but constantly changed it while they are working on the film...doesn't sound like a good idea to me.


I agree with most of Dark Victory's points.

Here's how my SM3 would go:

I would've taken Gwen, the Butler, and Sandman out of the film entirely. The New Goblin would the villain for most of the the movie. Peter would get the symbiote in a more logical way. We see the Symbiote mess w Peter's emotions and personal life but enhances him power-wise. We'd learn about the symbiote. W the help of the Symbiote, Peter messes things up with MJ, Brock etc...When he finally gets rid of it. Eddie would then have a real reason to hate Peter. Peter fights Venom, but can't win. He barely gets away. Pleds with Harry to help, but to no avail...then the New Goblin eventually comes to the rescue in the 2nd Venom Fight.

We still have the forgiveness thing, but lots more dev w/ out any retcons.

 

[Venom75]

^Add to that the fact that we all wanted to see MJ come into Peter's dark apartment and he have on the black suit and scare her. But instead we got New Goblin somehow in MJ's apartment on his loud glider without her noticing???

I would've loved to have seen that classic moment from the comics. MJ spots who she thinks is black suit Spider-man lurking in a dark corner. Then,as the figure comes forward from the darkness we see sharp fangs start to emerge and a terrified Mary Jane can't believe her eyes as Venom hisses,"Hi...honey. I'm home."

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Stylism then affected common sense

Yes, exactly, that's why I'm not taking that particular moment so seriously.

 

[PeterFan87]

I just watched Spidey 3 for the first time in a long time today..
I think it's a great movie.. but it would have been an AMAZING film without the corny dancing.. thats really the only thing I did't like.. and the emo hair.. that was uncalled for. haha

 

[pjspider1C]

SM3 is a fun, popcorn movie. If you just relax and let yourself enjoy it, it's a good, fun movie.

 

[StylishHokie21]

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Nothing in the Dark Knight impressed me as much as Sandman’s ending, so yes.

I know this was like a month ago, but....damn! What was so great about Sandman's ending? It's totally out of character for Spider-Man to let someone go just like that. Sandman had killed Uncle Ben and many others already. Why doe Spider-Man forgive him so quickly? Whether he forgives him or not, he belongs in jail. The real Spider-Man would never let him off the hook. X-Men 3 had a similar ending and it was just as bad.

You're trying to tell me you didn't laugh or cringe when Joker did his "magic trick?" How about when Joker was torturing the fake Batman? Joker's interrogation? You weren't impressed with Heath Ledger's portrayal at all? I respect your opinion though.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Hello StylishHokie21, that’s cool, I’ll try to answer your questions as best I can.
So let’s see, where to begin…

I know this was like a month ago, but....damn! What was so great about Sandman's ending? It's totally out of character for Spider-Man to let someone go just like that.

How was it out of character? The theme of the movie was about turning away from revenge and embracing forgiveness. Once he learned that lesson, Spider-Man displayed that quality and forgave Sandman despite all his wrong doing. That’s what forgiveness is all about.

Sandman had killed Uncle Ben and many others already.

Uncle Ben yes but who are the ‘many others’? If you mean the cops and occasional innocent bystanders, then the movie is done with such subtlety that the viewer can take it in which ever way they want - from minor injuries, to permanent paralysis, to instant death. It’s this kind of ambiguity that make all those other ‘incidents’ hard to argue.

Why doe Spider-Man forgive him so quickly? Whether he forgives him or not, he belongs in jail.

Well, first of all, if you’re gonna argue that Sandman seriously injured and possibly killed people, then so can I say that Spider-Man injured and possibly killed people while he was under the influence of the symbiote. Not to mention he genuinely wanted to kill Flint and though he did, with no regret and with satisfaction in fact, if only it wasn’t for his sand powers.
Remember that scene, Spidery admits it himself: “I’ve done terrible things too.”
Therefore, if Sandman belongs in jail, so does Spider-Man.
Otherwise, if Flint Marko would just give himself up afterwards, it would invalidate the whole forgiveness theme. So Spider-Man granted him a second chance and he should just blow it away by turning himself in? There’s no point in that, since in that case Spidey wouldn’t have to forgive him at all. Instead he could just beat the crap out of Flint and deliver him to the authorities himself.

The real Spider-Man would never let him off the hook.

Define ‘real’ Spider-Man.
Again, if he wouldn’t, then there would be no moral lesson to teach.

X-Men 3 had a similar ending and it was just as bad.

How? What ending? Please elaborate.

You're trying to tell me you didn't laugh or cringe when Joker did his "magic trick?" How about when Joker was torturing the fake Batman? Joker's interrogation? You weren't impressed with Heath Ledger's portrayal at all?

I did smile and chuckle occasionally, I’ll give you that.
Look, I devilishly thought to myself: “Hehe, that guy is soo evil! I like it!” just like any other dedicated movie goer. I liked Heath’s performance. But as for being ‘impressed’ by it, I’ve seen other movies with the same type of character already. Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys instantly comes to mind.

The only thing in SM3 that is better than TDK is the Sandman ending. I’m not saying that I place SM3 above TDK in quality. That’s a different story.
Observing Raimi’s usual trilogy patterns, I don’t count on him doing anything of the sort that I have in mind after SM3, especially looking at what he did with SM2 after SM1. But currently I find Spider-Man and Sandman’s relationship to be the most original hero-villain idea I’ve ever seen.
Throw away comic book faithfulness and think about this for a moment:
Sandman is the only supervillain who ever gave Peter Parker the most grief…and he forgave him for it!
By NY’s perspective, Flint Marko is still a very serious threat to the city and the authorities would still want him hunted down. This way forcing him to be constantly on the run. And the only one who could actually catch him simply won’t do it. Spider-Man gave a second chance to Sandman and that’s equivalent to a promise. It would go against his own standards and turn him into a real dick, if he broke it. So now they’re both at a dilemma - Flint’s only way to stop all this is to give himself up, leaving no chance to see his daughter for possibly the last few days she has to live, and Spider-Man is torn apart - should he do what the people ask him to do, since he’s there to serve and protect them, or should he keep strong to his own moral convictions? What do you think the city would think of their hero in that situation?
I don’t see Batman and the Joker ever having such a dynamic.

I respect your opinion though.

Yeah, isn’t that a phrase often thrown around these parts just for void appearances.
But if you really mean it, thanks, I appreciate it a lot, there aren’t many left that do.
What did you think of Spider-Man 3 yourself?