Official Rulk Thread

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Superman didn't actually lift it under his own power in JLA/Avengers. Thor and/or Odin temporarily lifted the worthiness enchantment to allow him to wield it because they realized Superman stood a better chance with it. I'm fairly certain about that, but it's been a while since I read JLA/Avengers, too.

Well it seems as if you know your stuff when it comes to Mjolnir.

So WonderWman lifted it with the enchantment, if so that really pisses me off.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I don't really read those crossovers (cause I love my brain too much) but from my modest knowledge of thor I'd say superman dispite his flaws is definately worthy in every way. WW I'm not sure about, I've seen her act unworthy a few times. I'm not sure the warrior spirit has anything to do with it though, every asgardian possess that far more than wonder woman (and before I start hearing about this, I mean the asgardians go out and fight and **** every freaking day, WW doesn't she's got a job and life) and none of them can lift it. I think worthy is a measure of goodness and judgement.

 

[Anubis]

Why?

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

I take it as a compliment for Thor, myself. Thor's hammer is clearly one of those sacred cows, and the fact that so few have lifted it indicates that it's still considered a big deal. Well, until Rulk, anyway.

I feel the same way, I like how almost nobody can pick up Mjolnir. I thought how Rulk did it kinda made sense, but my point is that almiost nobody can pick it up. So why out of the handfull of people, can 2 DC characters lift it, if it is so special.

So it is a compliment that it's near impossible to lift, but its seems like a slap in the face that s characters from a rivel company can go down in history as few special enough to pick up Mjolnir. Get my point.

 

[Anubis]

No. If they fit the requirements of the enchantment, then why the f**k shouldn't they be able to lift it? I'd be pissed if they couldn't. If Odin didn't want anybody else to be able to lift it, then he shoulda stipulated that nobody can lift it but Thor.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Well what exactely are the requirements, nubs?

I always thought it was a the broad "worthy" statement, then just narrowed specifics by who could and couldn't lift it.

 

[RockSP]

I feel the same way, I like how almost nobody can pick up Mjolnir. I thought how Rulk did it kinda made sense, but my point is that almiost nobody can pick it up. So why out of the handfull of people, can 2 DC characters lift it, if it is so special.

So it is a compliment that it's near impossible to lift, but its seems like a slap in the face that s characters from a rivel company can go down in history as few special enough to pick up Mjolnir. Get my point.

Well any character could pick it up the way Superman did, as has already been explained.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

I don't really read those crossovers (cause I love my brain too much) but from my modest knowledge of thor I'd say superman dispite his flaws is definately worthy in every way. WW I'm not sure about, I've seen her act unworthy a few times. I'm not sure the warrior spirit has anything to do with it though, every asgardian possess that far more than wonder woman (and before I start hearing about this, I mean the asgardians go out and fight and **** every freaking day, WW doesn't she's got a job and life) and none of them can lift it. I think worthy is a measure of goodness and judgement.

I still think its kinda stupid Superman can even lift it. There are so many characters in both DC and Marvel than are as "Worthy" as Superman or Captain America. So why only them? There was a thread about this a long time ago, back when Thors hammer first reappeared. Thing tried to pick it up, he couldn't but why not? I say Thing is just as worthy as Superman.

 

[Anubis]

Well what exactely are the requirements, nubs?

I always thought it was a the broad "worthy" statement, then just narrowed specifics by who could and couldn't lift it.

The Enchantment means that you have to be deemed worthy by Odin. So, truth be told, if everybody in the Universe got a shot at lifting Mjolnir, you'd find at least a few 100,000,000 worthy. Out of everybody that have tried it, they've all been Selfless, noble, honorable, and just all around decent individuals. So I'd have to figure that's the specifics.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I still think its kinda stupid Superman can even lift it. There are so many characters in both DC and Marvel than are as "Worthy" as Superman or Captain America. So why only them? There was a thread about this a long time ago, back when Thors hammer first reappeared. Thing tried to pick it up, he couldn't but why not? I say Thing is just as worthy as Superman.

well as far as purity of intent, supes and cap were marvel and dc's guys. Every other hero I can think of has had several moments of self interest or have acted out of baser emotions not becoming a protector. But those two are the boyscouts, the guys that always put everyone else first, that's why I figured they deserved to be worthy. There are plenty of heroes out there, but to give the power of a god to mortal hands that might possibly abuse that? Power corrupts and with great power argument. To allow people that might eventually become tempted to use that power incorrectly even if their truely decent people is probably why they couldn't in my mind.

Ben is worthy of many things but I'm not sure ben grimm, god, would be a good thing long term. He's a hero, but he's very human too, and not above vindictiveness and such things.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Well any character could pick it up the way Superman did, as has already been explained.

Yes but most people dont know that. Not everybody is so hardcore. Do you think that when some casual fan walks by and sees a cover with Superman holding Mjolnir, they're automatically gonna think "Jeez its so obvious that Odin released the enchantment" no they're not.

I'm not a casual fan, I'm pretty hardcore, I never actually read JLA/Avengers I've only seen pictures. So I'll use myself as an example, up until now, because I only seen pictures of Supes holding Mjolnir I assumed he just picked it up. So my point, is that most people who see or hear that Supes picked up Mjolnir will just assume he was worthy. Are casual fans gonna be amazed or even remember that Eric Masterson or some alien named Bill picked up Mjolnir? probably not. Will fans remeber that Supes and WonderWoman picked it up? Yes they will, and thats what pisses me off, 2 DC chcracters will stick out as 2 of the most important people to pick up Mjolnir.

 

[Anubis]

Plus Ben whines a lot.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

The Enchantment means that you have to be deemed worthy by Odin. So, truth be told, if everybody in the Universe got a shot at lifting Mjolnir, you'd find at least a few 100,000,000 worthy. Out of everybody that have tried it, they've all been Selfless, noble, honorable, and just all around decent individuals. So I'd have to figure that's the specifics.

Isn't the Thing one of these individuals? If so why wasn't he able to pick it up? Does that mean he is less selfless, less noble, less honorable than Captain America, Wonder Woman, or Eric Masterson.

Also is selflessness, noblity, and honorablity really what Odin deems worthy. Is that what an Asgardian deems worthy? What about a desire for battle? What about the willingness to do what a warrior needs to do, like kill?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well it seems as if you know your stuff when it comes to Mjolnir.

So WonderWman lifted it with the enchantment, if so that really pisses me off.

Why? Wonder Woman's as close to an Asgardian warrior as the DC universe gets, basically. The Greeks had a similarly celebratory attitude toward noble hero-types as the Asgardians', and she's certainly proved her worth in combat numerous times over the years.

Well what exactely are the requirements, nubs?

I always thought it was a the broad "worthy" statement, then just narrowed specifics by who could and couldn't lift it.

The exact requirements have never been stated, but I've come to think of it as more of a warrior spirit sort of worthiness because it was designed with Odin's ideal of worthiness in mind. Superman's noble, but he'd rather nobody fight if they can help it. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, understands that there are some things you can only solve through combat. She's a warrior through and through. Same with Beta Ray Bill, who was chosen to be protector of his people through trial by combat, and Eric Masterson, who, although he was just a normal dude, proved that he did have a warrior spirit within him later on. The hammer probably just sensed it before he realized it himself.

That's all speculation, of course. There's no canon explanation of Mjolnir's measure of worth.

 

[Anubis]

Isn't the Thing one of these individuals? If so why wasn't he able to pick it up? Does that mean he is less selfless, less noble, less honorable than Captain America, Wonder Woman, or Eric Masterson.

Also is selflessness, noblity, and honorablity really what Odin deems worthy. Is that what an Asgardian deems worthy? What about a desire for battle? What about the willingness to do what a warrior needs to do, like kill?

No, see above posts.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Isn't the Thing one of these individuals? If so why wasn't he able to pick it up? Does that mean he is less selfless, less noble, less honorable than Captain America, Wonder Woman, or Eric Masterson.

Also is selflessness, noblity, and honorablity really what Odin deems worthy. Is that what an Asgardian deems worthy? What about a desire for battle? What about the willingness to do what a warrior needs to do, like kill?

Well originally when ben became the thing he attacked reed, so you could say that while ben's a hero he is apt to being very emotional at times and amp him up with the power of a god and I could see how that could become a bad thing.

Odin created blake to ground his son cause he wasn't acting worthy. So that takes out things like desire for battle and willingness to do what a warrior needs to do. Actually if you think about it Blake is the exact defination of what odin considers worthy. So those characteristics he embodies are the characteristics needed for anyone else.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Odin created Don Blake to temper Thor's brutality with humility. He'd been so powerful for so long that he stopped caring about others because he couldn't empathize with them. The only way Odin saw to restore that empathy was to make Thor experience physical weakness himself. It had nothing to do with Thor's desire for or willingness to do battle. Odin just didn't want Thor to be such a bloodthirsty dick.

 

[Eros]

Superman shouldn't need an enchantment to lift Thors Hammer, hell Thor was a drunkerd who lived a famously arrogant lifestyle for thousands of years, hence why his father cast him out to the mortal realm in his early MU years. Superman is much more noble and more humble then Thor, yet he needed an enchantment to lift a weapons that was literally made for people like him. So where suppose to think Eric masterson is more worth then ****ing superman.......really?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

By Odin's definition, yes. Asgard has a very different culture from ours.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Why? Wonder Woman's as close to an Asgardian warrior as the DC universe gets, basically. The Greeks had a similarly celebratory attitude toward noble hero-types as the Asgardians', and she's certainly proved her worth in combat numerous times over the years.

The exact requirements have never been stated, but I've come to think of it as more of a warrior spirit sort of worthiness because it was designed with Odin's ideal of worthiness in mind. Superman's noble, but he'd rather nobody fight if they can help it. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, understands that there are some things you can only solve through combat. She's a warrior through and through. Same with Beta Ray Bill, who was chosen to be protector of his people through trial by combat, and Eric Masterson, who, although he was just a normal dude, proved that he did have a warrior spirit within him later on. The hammer probably just sensed it before he realized it himself.

That's all speculation, of course. There's no canon explanation of Mjolnir's measure of worth.

Alright cool you pretty much cleared things up for me. You are right about Wonder Woman, she is actually really worthy compared to most other chcracters. I think it's me being a manly man, with the attitude that women cant do everything men can do.t:

 

[Eros]

Alright cool you pretty much cleared things up for me. You are right about Wonder Woman, she is actually really worthy compared to most other chcracters. I think it's me being a manly man, with the attitude that women cant do everything men can do.t:

well considering Thors daddy ****ed every female not related to him, that would not surprise me.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Odin created Don Blake to temper Thor's brutality with humility. He'd been so powerful for so long that he stopped caring about others because he couldn't empathize with them. The only way Odin saw to restore that empathy was to make Thor experience physical weakness himself. It had nothing to do with Thor's desire for or willingness to do battle. Odin just didn't want Thor to be such a bloodthirsty dick.

Right, I was thinking that's why blake was the measuring stick for worthiness in regards to what odin wanted. I mean there's plenty with the warrior spirit that couldn't lift the hammer. I just figured if you wanted to find someone that would rule justly with the power of thor you had to pick people who couldn't be corrupted into becoming the thing odin has gone out of his way to make sure thor doesn't turn into, like you said a bloodthirsty dick.

I just don't see how desire for battle equals worthy in odin's mind. For the ancient vikings sure, but thor's based pretty loosely on the myths in many regards. Though really this entire debate is completely subjective cause we have no clear reference for this other than the few people that could lift the hammer and what qualities they share.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Superman shouldn't need an enchantment to lift Thors Hammer, hell Thor was a drunkerd who lived a famously arrogant lifestyle for thousands of years, hence why his father cast him out to the mortal realm in his early MU years. Superman is much more noble and more humble then Thor, yet he needed an enchantment to lift a weapons that was literally made for people like him. So where suppose to think Eric masterson is more worth then ****ing superman.......really?

Thats what I'm saying bugs me about who can and cant pick up Mjolnir.

So if Cap can do it, but you take somebody else who seems just as worthy, but they cant pick it up, does that mean that Cap is a better person. I mean wouldn't that feel ****ty to be told actually your not as qualified as this guy. But that is life and life isnt always fair.

 

[RockSP]

well considering Thors daddy ****ed every female not related to him,

He probably did them too .

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I just don't see how desire for battle equals worthy in odin's mind.

Well, it's not the sum total of the worthiness enchantment, but it is a factor. Consider the Asgardian way of life: they were constantly at war with the giants, and they glorified their warriors who participated in that war. Would you want to be ruled by a guy who's going to waste time trying to sit down and come to some peaceful resolution with your mortal foes if you lived in that sort of society? Thor's got the perfect blend of nobility and kindness that would keep him from oppressing his own people but with a firm, aggressive streak that would tolerate no attacks from outside forces without retaliating. Odin did too, come to think of it. The ideal seems to be "rule justly and kindly but don't be a *****," basically.