Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 4

[marcvader]

The last 30 minutes or so are pretty embarrassing, i must admit.

 

[Poeman]

you mean you guys dont enjoy the Frodo reunion in his bed...Also the singing on Minas Tirith

FOTR hit me at the core, damn that film was so amazing, I never wanted it to end.

 

[jacobed]

The Hobbit could have been made in one movie, sure stuff would have been cut but you could easily make it. Now they're stretching it into 3. Really stupid. Not as much as a cash grab as Twilight and Hunger Games but its close

 

[CGHulk]

I was right, he wants to bring in the Necromancer to the story and add in the battle of Dol Guldur! When I first read the Appendices of the Return of the King I loved how it tied The Hobbit into to the bigger picture, now the movies will do that as well!

 

[Armored Avenger]

I really dislike this news, for reasons I have stated several times in this thread when the rumours of a third film began surfacing.
And I really don't understand the amount of people blindly trusting Jackson to do as he pleases with Tolkien's material when he has shown in the trilogy that he can easily make mistakes. Arwen taking Frodo across the Bruinen, depriving Frodo of his character building moment of defiance against the Nazgul and Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-King in Minas Tirith come to my immediate mind right now, but there are many more.
The Fellowship of the Ring is one of my favourite films, but the LOTR movies do get weaker with each sequel. I still love The Two Towers, and really like Return of the King, but definitely see a downward progression (especially in ROTK). King Kong was a bloated mess that was poorly paced and contained far more padding than it needed to tell its story, which does not bode well for The Hobbit, and Lovely Bones was just a terrible film. Since FOTR, all of Jackson's movies have gotten progressively weaker and weaker. I don't see why I should have blind faith in him to deliver.

It seems clear that Jackson wants to tell as much as is legally possible of Tolkien's writing in his movies. Tolkien's work is so vast that I don't want one filmmaker to have a monopoly over its portrayal in live action. I was really looking forward to Del Toro's Middle-Earth, but now any future filmmakers who put Tolkien onto screen will most likely have to retread area already covered by Jackson. Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion are out of bounds and will be as long as the Tolkien family dislike the films (this news of splitting a 300 page-ish children's adventure story into 3 epic fantasy films is not likely to endear Jackson to them anew) which again does not bode well for The Hobbit movies. A lot of material expanding upon the history of Middle-Earth during the time of The Hobbit is featured in Unfinished Tales (there is a whole chapter dedicated to the Quest of Erebor) and it cannot be used by Jackson, so he will either have to ignore large parts of canon or make up his own fan fiction (which seems likely now that he has to fill out 3 movies).

 

[Poeman]

Its a ploy to make more money...But Peter Jackson is the man for the job if they are squeezing more out of this world

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

While I am not surprised by these turn of events...it doesn't change how I feel about the idea of there being 3 Hobbit films. My concern now is how is PJ going to do it? Considering there isn't enough material to do 3. Two films make sense but 3? I think it is still pushing it. But if PJ can find a way to make it work, kudos to him. I'll reserve my judgement until I see the films. I welcome more of the world of Middle-Earth but I pray that PJ and Co don't mess it up somehow.
But that doesn't mean I take a dislike to PJ and Co. I am sure they are doing all they can to ensure to make these films have the same quality and likeness to what they created with LOTR.

I hope I am not alone in this.

 

[John Locke]

You're not I am skeptical that it can be done but if anyone can do it it's Jackson. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Bruce Malone]

So what are the odds that this series may have become jackson's "star wars prequels"?

 

[Spider-Who?]

I can't stand the ending of the film. The movie suddenly becomes surreal, with weird lighting and a lot of random slow motion. From creepy uncle Gimli to whatever that is suppose to be with the Eagles, it couldn't be any less organic. They stretch every last moment out and it is cringe-worthy. This all comes after everyone has basically been crying for a couple of hours, multiple times. Sam cries, Frodo cries, Aragorn cries, Gandalf cries, Eownn breaks down (the only one deserving, even if they have her go emo for the first half of the film), Faramir gets teary-eyed, Pippin and Merry rarely stop crying. It is ridiculous. There is just so many times you can go for that emotional impact before you just blunt your weapon. Not to mention Astin just got progressively worse in the films and he is just an annoyance by the end. That so much surrounds him just kills it stone dead.

Just compare it to the finale of FOTR. It is no contest. FOTR, from the moment they leave Lothlorien is almost on ESB level.

I can definitely see your point, and on a certain level, I do agree with you, but I still very much love RotK. Is it the best of LotR, overall? I certainly would say no, but I don't consider it to be a bad movie in anyway.

As far as no one but Eown having a "right" to cry....I just don't get that. ESPECIALLY with Sam and Frodo. They had the hardest, most emotionally (and physically) grueling task of the entire cast of characters, and felt the times they did cry were quite organic. I will agree that by the end of the trilogy, I wasn't feeling Elijah Wood's portrayal, but I actually felt Sean Astin kept their scenes going.

I get people's complaints about the super long ending, but I can't really think of any other fulfilling way to end the trilogy. There are just so many characters with so many different story threads that would have been made useless if they weren't tied up in some fashion. While long, and bloated, I feel that its a matter of "damned if they do, damned if they don't". If they hadn't given the proper farewell to each character, people would have been pissed, and the story and films as a whole would have suffered more so than a bloated ending. I'm not saying each ending couldn't have been trimmed, but my vote is for the bloated ending over leaving the theater feeling unfulfilled.

And the singing...do you remember how much singing is in the books? They HAD to get some in there some where, and felt the places they occurred in the film worked. In fact, the scene where Pippin is singing to Denethor while Faramir is going off to die is one of my favorite (of many) moments in all of the series.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Its one of my fave moments too. especially when Gandalf tells Faramir that his father loves him...and that he will remember it before the end.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

you mean you guys dont enjoy the Frodo reunion in his bed...

I love it.

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[Armored Avenger]

Its one of my fave moments too. especially when Gandalf tells Faramir that his father loves him...and that he will remember it before the end.

My favourite part of the Pippin singing sequence is just after he has finished and we see Gandalf sitting alone in a street in the city. McKellen's eyes and physicality say everything that is going through Gandalf's mind and it's one of my favourite moments in the film.

Screengrabs:

Spoiler

 

[moviedoors]

I'm game for 3 flicks. Jackson doesn't have a spotless track record, but he's more than earned my trust. I'll reserve judgement until I've actually, you know, seen the ****in' things.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

you mean you guys dont enjoy the Frodo reunion in his bed...

They never did share the load.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

I love it.

[YT]4QAlt4Sfl7Q[/YT]

I know it's dumb, but I never get sick of that video.

 

[Marx]

I love all things Hobbit and LOTR but I really don't know how in the world they're going to stretch this to three movies.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

And not just 3 movies, but 3 movies probably pushing 9 hours.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm up for three films, as long as they're good. I hope they can maintain the intensity across them all. We'll see.

 

[terry78]

He may as well be sticking stuff from the Similarion in there.

 

[DCW]

They never did share the load.

Movie moment ruined forever! haha!

 

[Boom]

I love it.

[YT]4QAlt4Sfl7Q[/YT]

Ten years later, and this is still one of the funniest things ever put on the internet. Legolas' sexually-charged "Mmmmmm" and Aragorn's "Yyyyyyyyyah" kill me every single time.

 

[Sawyer]

I love Gimli's mildly ******ed baby cry.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

lol when me and my friend were watching that scene from ROTK, my friend started making those sounds from the video and I joined in making the Mmmm when Legolas shows up and then "Yes.." when Aragorn shows up. lol.

 

[CGHulk]

I'm up for three films, as long as they're good. I hope they can maintain the intensity across them all. We'll see.

Me too!

He may as well be sticking stuff from the Similarion in there.

He does not have the rights to that material.