Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 4

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lol true. I actually dig the 48 fps on the tvs, It doesn't look any less of a film just because it's smoothed out nor it looks like "soap opera tv" as some people said before.
 
lol true. I actually dig the 48 fps on the tvs, It doesn't look any less of a film just because it's smoothed out nor it looks like "soap opera tv" as some people said before.

n-n-n-nasty!
 
Also we don't know for sure how many theater chains are prepared for 48 pfs, so most likely the majority of people will see it in the 24 fps 3D. And I saw the trailer in 3D and it looks magnificent.
 
And I haven't met one person who like to watch movies in Tru-Motion. It's not about being a traditionalist or whatever because I think Tru Motion is like adding too much pepper to your steak thus ruining it.
 
Tru-Motion looks really odd at first but every time I see one, I'm captivated on seeing more of it.
 
Also we don't know for sure how many theater chains are prepared for 48 pfs, so most likely the majority of people will see it in the 24 fps 3D. And I saw the trailer in 3D and it looks magnificent.

I think that's 24.

Read this fair article about the footage. It's written by someone who wants to embrace 48 but just couldnt. Or not yet.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55212
 
tru motion is fake even in theory. tru mtion is trying to create more frames out of nothing. youcan not create something form nothing. at least this filmed with 48 fps. i hate with a passion tru motion. with a passion.

we are used to 24 fps. we all knew that someoen who will bring 48fps to the movies as a standard will be the bad guy. someone always has to be the bad guy.
 
I think that's 24.

Read this fair article about the footage. It's written by someone who wants to embrace 48 but just couldnt. Or not yet.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55212

Fair enough, I always love when directors push for something new that enhances the movie going experience. I love James Cameron's push for 3D and I love Nolan's push for IMAX.
 
The Hobbit will be an interesting movie to watch. I'm glad it finally got the okay to film in New Zealand. :)
 
Fair enough, I always love when directors push for something new that enhances the movie going experience. I love James Cameron's push for 3D and I love Nolan's push for IMAX.

Same. Anyone can have a preference. My favorite format is IMAX, but I'm all for the progression of 3D and digital.
 
Same. Anyone can have a preference. My favorite format is IMAX, but I'm all for the progression of 3D and digital.

Preferences are fine as long as a choice is offered. As Nolan has said, the choice to use film isn't as open as it used to be. The industry is quickly moving towards digital without even realizing some of the consequences of it. Film is a far better way of archiving movies than crappy hard drives that won't even last a decade, never mind the 1,000 years that celluloid can last. But they don't even care about this part of it.

I remember when the Avatar 3D craze happened, the industry started moving towards forcing us to accept 3D even if we didn't want it. Toy Story 3 wasn't even offered at my theater in 2D, which was frustrating. I simply refused to see it in the theater and waited to rent it on home video. I didn't dislike the 3D in Avatar, but I didn't find it mindblowing. However, I was absolutely distracted by the stupid glasses. If they can develop a 3D technology that doesn't require us to wear glasses, I will be on board with it. Then and ONLY then can anyone argue it's an evolution similar to sound or color, and even then I would argue it's nowhere near as important as those two things (especially sound). I'll be pretty pissed if they pull the rug out from under our feet and start shooting everything in 48 fps even while audiences complain about the fact that it looks like a soap opera/video game/TV show instead of a movie.
 
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the problem isn't so much tech, but I think..the studio mishandling it.
 
http://collider.com/the-hobbit-48fps-cinemacon-recap-dark-knight-rises/161642/

The camera man/Variety writer Joshy Dickey at 15:06 makes a good point: He thinks there's a huge future for this but there will also be a learning curve. Meaning that in a few years, 48 will be perfected. Josh also mentions how lighting plays a huge role in how to make 48 look good. He mentions that the lighting was off in certain scenes in The Hobbit reel.

That being said, Devin Faraci said that it's great that they're testing out new tech, but do they have to do it with a big movie like The Hobbit? Because obviously it's not perfected, and it'll be dated by the time 48 becomes better in the future.
 
Watching the Collider video, it's exactly what I was expecting. It's an even more drastic change from 2D/3D which I like.
 
- Radagast is described as "very weird," and apparently he drives a sled pulled by rabbits. He also has birds living under his hat, and they poop all over him him. ":dry:" does not do justice to how I'm feeling about that.

- Gollum refers to himself as Smeagol in the Riddles in the Dark scene, which poses a continuity issue with Two Towers.

- The Witch-King and the other Nazgul have crypts, so I guess the War in the North didn't happen in PJ's movie-verse.

- The person Gandalf is fighting in Dol Guldur (in the teaser trailer) is Thrain.

- Gandalf tells Galadriel that Bilbo makes him "brave," or something along those lines.
 
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I can't wait to see 48 fps. I want to be taken into the film. Middle Earth is the place it would be. Frosty is correct in that it's new and it's the beginnings of it and we need to get used to it.
 
More details from TheOneRing.Net:

PJ's intro was mostly about the technical aspects, saying that this change in frame rate is analogous to moving from silent to sound.

Opening shots were helicopter shots, similar to opening of TTT. Gorgeous. Sunrise over Misty Mountains to the fluting strains of Howard Shore music. Followed by a few shots that were seen in the trailer, intros of characters, etc.

Dol Guldur/Thrain - Gandalf is seen wandering through sub-dungeon of Dol Guldur, searching through corridors as if being chased. Thrain crazed, out his mind from torture, jumps out of the dark in a "Boo!" moment and attacks Gandalf. Yes, this is the scene from the trailer. Thrain's face is not closely seen. No other creatures are seen there.

Scenes of Bilbo in the Shire, mostly stuff we've seen in the trailer or vlogs. Martin Freeman as Bilbo is very different from other hobbits. He has a lightness and elan, with a very light comedic touch. Not like slapstick humor of Merry & Pippin. Fresh, funny, approachable, comedic but not too much. Quickbeam was very enthusiastic about his performance.

Saruman/White Council - this was still green screen, no grading or background effects added yet. Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf are shown sitting with Saruman. Radagast was not present. Galadriel looking at a sword, identifies as a Morgul blade. Everyone is aghast as she tells the history of the blade as she says it is the sword of the Witch-King and he was destroyed long before in battles with the North Kingdom. He was held in a dungeon in the North from which he should not have been able to escape but Galadriel is afraid that this means he has. Saruman is studying it carefully, with maybe a glint in his eye.

Galadriel touching Gandalf's face. The context is Galadriel asking Gandalf why he chose this particular hobbit. Gandalf says, almost to himself, that it is because he sometimes feels a little afraid and Bilbo gives him courage. Galadriel touches his face and tells him not to be afraid, that he always has friends.

Radagast - Gandalf is shown alone in the dark with his staff lit, searching through catacombs where the ringwraith's tombs are...then Radagast appears suddenly. Both put their staffs down the tunnel to see the tombs broken open. Radagast seems rather childlike, like he is more in tune wth animals than people. Radagast's staff is similar to Gandalf's; a knobbly wooden staff. Radagast is "weird and wonderful" looks nothing like the Decipher card. This is a new Radagast is an "unbelievable, crazy, cool, mess", with a bird's nest on his head. Quickbeam loved his appearance and style. Radagast was only shown in the dark, "Moria-style" dungeon which was only lit by Gandalf's staff. It was hard to see costume details but they appeared to be a mixture of black and brown, with a "weird shaped" hat with flaps on it. He has a bird nest on his head under his hat. Was conversing with Gandalf about the crypts/tombs that had once belonged to the Ringwraiths. Radagast also has a staff. The only other shot of Radagast was him flying by in his sled. Radagast has a sled that runs on the forest floor, drawn by larger-than-life (but not giant) grey jackrabbits. Q really liked the sled, thought it was cool.

Mirkwood, the dwarves are shown after their spider sequence, they are covered in spider webs. Don't see much of Mirkwood, what is seen has spider webs everywhere. Tauriel slides into the scene with bow and arrow at the ready. Brown outfit with braided hairdo. Medium brown hair (not blond). Legolas appeared at the end of the scene with Tauriel. AS the dwarves are running covered in webs, they are suddenly confronted by Elves, and Legolas has an arrow pointed at Thorin's nose, saying "I will not hesitate to kill you, dwarf!" setting up for his attitude in LOTR. His costume is the same as LOTR. Tauriel's is similar, but in brown rather than green.

Not shown in the footage - No shot of Thranduil. No Laketown, no Elven halls. No shots of spiders or eagles. No Beorn. No Rhosgobel or Necromancer. No shots of Dale, Lonely Mountain or any hint of Smaug. No shots of goblins. No Bard or Master of Laketown. No hint of Aragorn/Rangers, etc. No shots of the Ring. Not much of the music, it's still be worked on. No dwarf singing, no Elves on horseback, no wargs, no goblins. No dwarf women.

Dwarves - Dwarves look great, with a lot of detail. Some are presented in a comedic way, some serious, all very different and distinct characters. No more dwarf singing. Sounds like mostly what we've already seen in trailer and vlogs except for one brief shot of dwarves in barrels on the river, with some effects tape visible - not a finished scene.

Trolls - They showed about a minute and a half of troll scene. Features some camera shots from above, creating a good sense of perspective with the live actors. Scene begins with a scene of Bilbo suddenly caught by "ginormous" hill trolls. In the troll scene, all the dwarves come runnign to rescue Bilbo. One of the younger ones takes an axe stroke at the legs of one troll, others stab at their feet. The trolls are articulate in speech with heavy Cockney accents. The scene goes similar to the book but not exactly. Wallet is not shown (or heard). "burrahobbit" is in, though we hear a "g" sound in there so it comes out like "burgahobbit". One of the trolls reminded Q a little of "Sloth" from The Goonies, with a slightly misshapen face

Riddle scene - Gollum is a "new vision" because he is now in 48fps. Scene is established with Bilbo begging for a way out of the cave but Gollum wants to play riddles. He identifies himself as Smeagol. Gollum regrets giving his name as Bilbo later regrets giving his. The Riddle scene was shown intercut with action scene with trolls, running with spiderwebs, Bilbo in the Shire. Gollum is mostly being Smeagol because he's trying to interact with another being that isn't a goblin. Bilbo still feels threatened and has Sting out in a defensive way. Sting is not glowing yet (there are no orcs present). Bilbo is wearing the same color jacket in the cave scene as in LOTR - he apparently leaves Rivendell wearing that jacket. - the scene ends with Gollum proposing the "stakes" - Bilbo saying if he wins, Gollum has to show him the way out. Gollum agrees and says that if he wins, "we gets to eats it raw". Bilbo hesitates and then agrees. Gollum comes off as attracted by the idea of talking with a fellow being, but also hungry, so we get a sense of the schizophrenic Seamgol/Gollum divide.

Returning characters - Christopher Lee might look slightly older, but Gandalf and Galadriel look the same. The returning characters look just the same as in LOTR. Legolas appears briefly.

Frame rate/3D - 48fps was crystal-clear and vivid, not like watching film. The images are "very sharp", the depth of field is "amazing". Quickbeam says he doesn't know if it's "too clear", it is very different and it you'll have to acclimate to it. The prosthetics did not look fake. The digital work of the CGI creatures looks even better at the higher frame rate. He says the trolls look fantastic. It will take some getting used to, whether people will like it immediately or not is hard to tell. It looks brighter and more vivid than LOTR footage. If there are complaints about the new framerate "I'm not surprised, welcome to the new frontier." It's a major change that will take adjustment. Fans will have the choice to see it in 2D or 3D -yes, 3D glasses will be needed. Quickbeam wore his comfortably over his usual glasses at this event. There were no scenes of "gimmick" 3D with things coming straight out of the screen, more a sense of depth in the image.
 
Could careless about the pointless 3d, I am happy to hear the actual footage looks good.
 
Hey, Peter Jackson.

You know what will get people to stop focusing on the negative feedback from CinemaCon?

A new video blog :awesome:.
 
Why play this game with this movie of all movies?
 
I'll most likely see this in 24fps, because my theater is not capable of 48fps that I know of, and I will be seeing the 2D version.

That being said, on blu-ray it may be in 48fps, and I hate to think this film could be bothersome in that regard. Of all films, and after it being trapped in development hell I wish they had done this experiment with another film. I've been anticipating this film since 2003, and if this film looks "weird" in the slightest it will hamper my enjoyment.

I'm waiting until I see the film to pass judgment, but I am cautiously anxious at the moment.
 
How are people going to react to the fact that the hobbit will now look quite different than the previous LOTR films due to the 48fps?

Most of the reaction to the 48fps has been mixed which is not a great sign.
 
How are people going to react to the fact that the hobbit will now look quite different than the previous LOTR films due to the 48fps?

Most of the reaction to the 48fps has been mixed which is not a great sign.

It will probably be the thing that is picked over the most, and may overshadow the film itself. I mean look. Ten minutes of footage was shown, and people barely reported what was shown. Talk of the 48 fps is everywhere though. Ten whole minutes of new footage, and the frame rate is all anyone can talk about. Its already dominating discussions on the film.
 
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