Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 7

[747]

I'd be asking why Thor just didn't hit them with his lightning.

Too much logic in genre movies would be so boring.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I was thinking that the other day. I'll see what the admins say.

Thanks for asking them, Vartha!

 

[obin_gam]

Awesome. Didn't some magazine say we were going to get info/stills of the 2nd film?

I do recall hearing that but I'm not sure which magazine.

Yes. It was variety right?

Entertainment Weekly

 

[Quasimod0]

Oh, thankyou

 

[Marvolo]

13-Minute TV Special!

Shiny!

 

[Slushy]

I hope they get Riddles In The Dark right. It's my most anticipated scene!

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

New Clip featuring The White Council.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012...ource=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=57774

 

[knowsbleed]

Might've already been posted but....

Jackson Defends Making The Hobbit a Trilogy

I personally don't like the idea. I think it is Hollywood greed at its worst. It is a 300 page book. I get that Tolkein was very concise about some things, but stretching a 300 page book into 3 films is a mistake, IMO. Unless the third film (in which Jackson claims to use all of the appendices, which makes it sound to me like it'll just be a bunch of deleted scenes) is basically The Simillarion, I don't see how this will work.

Don't be such a downer. Are there really any LotR/Peter Jackson fans that are angry that they decided on turning this into a trilogy? When the first LotR movies came out, I was happy that every year for 3 years, I got to see a new LotR movie on Christmas... it became a mini-tradition. I'm glad it's continuing and that I get to, hopefully, have the same excitement about the new movies... turning it into a trilogy with some added snippets from The Silmarillion would be wonderful. Especially since I don't have the patience nor the mental fortitude to attempt a read through the actual book... tried it once, and it defeated me.

 

[747]

I hope they get Riddles In The Dark right. It's my most anticipated scene!

Kind of knowing where they will end this movie, Riddles in the Dark should – if done right – be the best sequence/scene in the movie.

Seeing as we know that Serkin's Gollum is awesome and everything points to Freeman nailing Bilbo, half the battle should be won.

 

[the dmg]

Don't be such a downer. Are there really any LotR/Peter Jackson fans that are angry that they decided on turning this into a trilogy?

Yes. There are plenty of them, and not just on the Hype. I have friends who don't follow a movie's production like we usually tend to do here. We were discussing the book when the movie was announced as a trilogy, and most of them were having a hard time visualizing the book working as three movies.

 

[jmc]

And yet you ignore the fact that the human eye can perceive images faster than 24fps (over 200fps). By your logic, higher frame rates are also a natural evolution, since our eyes predate cinema.

One can argue about higher frame rates making things ''too real'', but the same arguments where made with sound and color.

My point is not that 48fps will become the next step in films history, just that it's irresponsible and patently wrong to claim that is ISN'T. We won't know. It took 60 years for color to become the norm in Hollywood (the first color film shot in 1902). Three movies by Peter Jackson aren't enough to lay claim to HFR's longevity one way or the other.

That is a stupid comparison and you know it. The argument behind a higher frame rate is about making it a more immersive, the issue is it fundamentally changes the look and feel of film, you're heard it already from commentators that parts of the Hobbit look fake. The more you try to make something look real the easier it is to tell it's fake, and studios are not going to be going the extra mile spending money on sets and props to ensure they actually look real. Higher frame rates may have their place somewhere along the line in this or some other medium, but I do not believe it is a natural part of cinemas evolution, I'm happy for them to trial it but given the response so far its use will probably be limited.

 

[Marvolo]

Yes. There are plenty of them, and not just on the Hype. I have friends who don't follow a movie's production like we usually tend to do here. We were discussing the book when the movie was announced as a trilogy, and most of them were having a hard time visualizing the book working as three movies.

Maybe they lack imagination? But seriously when all three are out we will know whether it worked. Until then it really is like listening to a broken record.

 

[HowardStark]

Does anyone else want to see Thorin In The Hobbit 2 Spit in the eye of an Elf to show Dwarf hatred and defiance of anything Elf. I want this because I think it would make a great deal more meaningful when Legolas and Gimli say those lines in Return Of The King at the gates of mordor.

 

[HowardStark]

Maybe they lack imagination? But seriously when all three are out we will know whether it worked. Until then it really is like listening to a broken record.

I personally think the hobbit was too short and actually is harder to adapt. I say this because.

You have 13 Dwarvs to introduce and tell the story of Smaug. Then You have the whole Troll and Giants stuff before you reach Rivendall.

Then the whole Dwarf Capture by the Goblins and there escape and you got Gollum and Bilbos iconic scene.

The book goes through these things fast and really a Movie cannot do that for it go by too fast and non book fans will not get it.

Slow and Steady is what Middle Earth was meant for on the big Screen. I think Jackson maybe consider this as acts in a play both these trilogies and it worked yes in LOTR and yes its a massive book. But isn't the Hobbit suppose to bridge to LOTR as well.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Sorry if I'm way behind, but this series was originally planned as 2 films, correct? When the frig did they decide to make it 3?

 

[Venomfan]

wonder if we'll get some Bard/Legolas competition like Legolas/Gimli had in the trilogy.

 

[Quasimod0]

wonder if we'll get some Bard/Legolas competition like Legolas/Gimli had in the trilogy.

I would love some awesome archery fighting with them two.

 

[the dmg]

Maybe they lack imagination?

Could be, or they just have as valid a complaint as others who think it can work.

But seriously when all three are out we will know whether it worked. Until then it really is like listening to a broken record.

It's two sides of the same coin really because people defending that it will work as a trilogy don't know if this will work out.

As for me, I'm reserving my judgement because I want to see how he's going to expand the book. I hope it turns out for the best.

I personally think the hobbit was too short and actually is harder to adapt. I say this because.

You have 13 Dwarvs to introduce and tell the story of Smaug. Then You have the whole Troll and Giants stuff before you reach Rivendall.

Then the whole Dwarf Capture by the Goblins and there escape and you got Gollum and Bilbos iconic scene.

The book goes through these things fast and really a Movie cannot do that for it go by too fast and non book fans will not get it.

Slow and Steady is what Middle Earth was meant for on the big Screen. I think Jackson maybe consider this as acts in a play both these trilogies and it worked yes in LOTR and yes its a massive book. But isn't the Hobbit suppose to bridge to LOTR as well.

Someone posted Jackson stating this exact thing. There are certain parts of the book where it can be expanded upon.

 

[redhawk23]

Man seeing that Entertainment Weekly cover reminds me of when they had a coverstory just for New Line finally getting the rights to the hobbit back in 2007.

It's been a long road from 5 years ago.

 

[redhawk23]

So are the IMAX showings of this not at 48fps? Because my local theaters are listing HFR and IMAX 3d as two different formats.

 

[Vartha]

I'm hearing there's different speeds for different Theaters

 

[Spider-Who?]

That is a stupid comparison and you know it.

1) Learn to have a discussion without juvenile insults.
2) I think it's a quite apt comparison. But I understand why you would think it is not.

The argument behind a higher frame rate is about making it a more immersive, the issue is it fundamentally changes the look and feel of film

And adding color and sound didn't fundamentally change film?

you're heard it already from commentators that parts of the Hobbit look fake.

True. We've also heard plenty of people say the higher frame rate was successful in its intent. But just like color and talkies, some people have issues with it, and filmmakers have to learn and adjust their craft to make new tech work. It's nothing new.

The more you try to make something look real the easier it is to tell it's fake

That's a nice mantra but it's not entirely true.

and studios are not going to be going the extra mile spending money on sets and props to ensure they actually look real.

Just like studios haven't gone the extra mile to try and improve the quality of CGI over the last 30 years? Or how much time and money studios spent (and continue to spend to improve upon) technology and sets and lighting and cameras and mixes and sound engineers and color graders, etc, to go from silent black and white films to color and sound films? There will ALWAYS be advancements and evolution in film and the day studios decide they won't spend money is the day that cinema truly dies.

Higher frame rates may have their place somewhere along the line in this or some other medium,

Well, we've already seen a boom in higher frame rates in the gaming world, which I agree seems more suited for it in the short term, but I'm fully for 3d films having a higher frame rate.

 

[craigdbfan]

So are the IMAX showings of this not at 48fps? Because my local theaters are listing HFR and IMAX 3d as two different formats.

Well it depends. The LieMax screens are going to be HFR but if you have a TruIMAX with a 35mm projector then it won't be but if you have a TruImax with a digital projector then it will be in HFR.

Kind of confusing.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I would love some awesome archery fighting with them two.

Do we know if Bard will have more scenes than just at Lake Town? It's been a while since I've read the book, but I don't recall him being in it more than that.

 

[Vartha]

New Clip featuring The White Council.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012...ource=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=57774

MAN, LEE is great. I want to deck Saruman haha