Official UFC Thread - Part 3

[DoomsdayApex]

Such a shame, I'd pay big bucks to see that fight happen. Oh well, hopefully after GSP beats Condit (big fan but I know damn well he's gonna be unable to stuff his takedowns) Dana will mention the possibility of that superfight happening yet again.

I have no interest in watching Silva destroy Munoz, Bisping or Stann.

 

[TheVileOne]

Stupid fight and a huge physical size mismatch.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

True, but all that matters is the win over a dominant champion who's been on the P4P list for years. Once Silva has that win, he'll automatically be the GOAT for me.

 

[TheVileOne]

Most already recognize him as the GOAT over GSP. GSP hasn't even finished a fight in years.

Fedor has not done what Silva has. He always avoided the tougher competition in the UFC.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It doesn't matter if GSP hasn't finished a fight in years. Point still serves that GSP has not lost a fight in years.

Tougher competition? Oh my. I didn't realize Leben, Sonnen, Lutter, Leites, Cote and Maia were the creme of the creme.

 

[TheVileOne]

Anderson Silva hasn't lost a fight in six years DoomsdayApex. He hasn't been finished in almost 8. His last loss was a DQ.

At the time of the win, Leben was creme of the creme. Leben had gone 5-0 in the UFC since the end of The Ultimate Fighter and was arguably a top contender before Silva destroyed him. Sonnen beat Marquardt, Okami, and Miller to get a shot at Silva. Since that fight he beat Brian Stann and Michael Bisping all of which were good wins.

Demian Maia - world renowned grappler and multiple time champion of Abu Dhabi grappling tournaments. Now 10-5 in the UFC. Submitted two time title contender Chael Sonnen. I'd say that makes Maia a pretty tough customer. Silva couldn't stop him.

Chris Leben despite his issues has 12 UFC wins. Also a former WEC champion.

Fedor's two biggest opponents in Pride were Nogueira and Cro Cop. He only had to defend his title three times.

 

[Project862006]

Bisping is an overrated TUF graduate, Okami is a journeyman, Marquardt (fantastic fighter... when not placed on the spotlight) folds/chokes and Stann's biggest win was over Leben.

i don't think you even know what a journeyman means

Jason McDonald
Alessio Sakara
Joe Doerksen
Nate Quarry

these are journeymen

Okami is 26-7

before getting caught by boesch he had only lost to 3 guy in the ufc

Silva - currentchamp and p4p great
franklin - former mw champ
chael - #2 mw in the world

and has beaten guys like marquardt and munoz

this is not a record of a journeyman

 

[Texas Zombie]

Most already recognize him as the GOAT over GSP. GSP hasn't even finished a fight in years.

Fedor has not done what Silva has. He always avoided the tougher competition in the UFC.

Actually he wanted to fight the UFC champions at the time. Dana white would not copromote a fight between him and randy.

I personally believe that pride had some of the best fighters at the time, and UFC only had a few good competitors. UFC clearly had a step up in competition when the pride boys showed up.

Some of you guys are UFC d*ck riders. When uncle Dana decides to bring in new competition from other leagues many times the champion of the UFC is shown to be a fraud. With good fighters getting dominated. Chuck Liddell, Brock lesnar, Frankie Edgar. They all got showed up by people in so called inferior leagues.

Plus shogun is not done, people count out hendo as a good fighter, rua demolished lyoto, showed his first fight with Forrest was a joke, And he put on one of the greatest fights ever.

 

[TheVileOne]

Actually he wanted to fight the UFC champions at the time. Dana white would not copromote a fight between him and randy.

Co-promoting with M-1 Global didn't work out for all those other fly by night promotions that did it including Strikeforce. Saying he wanted to fight them all is BS. UFC doesn't need co-promotion, they are the number one game in town. M-1 Global would do about jack all. Makes no sense for them to co-promote.

I personally believe that pride had some of the best fighters at the time, and UFC only had a few good competitors. UFC clearly had a step up in competition when the pride boys showed up.

And yet where is Pride today? What do you make of Pride fighters who washed out after Pride? Pride lightweight champion Gomi has been beaten by every top UFC lightweight he has ever faced except when he fought Jens Pulver in Pride.

Some of you guys are UFC d*ck riders. When uncle Dana decides to bring in new competition from other leagues many times the champion of the UFC is shown to be a fraud. With good fighters getting dominated. Chuck Liddell, Brock lesnar, Frankie Edgar. They all got showed up by people in so called inferior leagues.

LOL seriously what the **** man? You do know that Frankie Edgar beat BJ Penn one of the greatest lightweights of all time and a former UFC welterweight champion as well? Ben Henderson didn't come from an inferior league at all. He worked hard to get to the UFC, he won three big fights and then he beat Edgar. He's a UFC champion now.

Chuck Liddell in his prime was a tough customer. And last time I checked he beat Alistair Overeem before he turned heavyweight. You do know Brock Lesnar lost his UFC title to Cain Velasquez who won most of his heavyweight fights in the UFC right? What was Cain Velasquez's inferior league? Junior dos Santos?

Plus shogun is not done, people count out hendo as a good fighter, rua demolished lyoto, showed his first fight with Forrest was a joke, And he put on one of the greatest fights ever.

Shogun is not done, but he's likely past his prime at this point. Even his old coach Rafael Cordeiro thinks he doesn't work hard. Also who absolutely crushed Shogun as the champion? His name is Jon Jones, never fought in Pride.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Wish Cung Le was 10 years younger.

 

[VictorCreed]

Most already recognize him as the GOAT over GSP. GSP hasn't even finished a fight in years.

Fedor has not done what Silva has. He always avoided the tougher competition in the UFC.

Oooh, somebody doesn't know what theyre talking about. During Fedor's 10 years of dominance, PRIDE was the #1 organization, and had the best talent.

Fedor has constantly fought bigger opponents(almost always the smaller fighter) and beat them all during that 10 year reign. Anderson is a HUGE MW, is constantly fighting smaller fighters at MW(and has only a couple times fought at his natural size LHW). Not to ,mention he Middle Weight division is one of the weakest in the UFC.

 

[CrypticOne]

Oooh, somebody doesn't know what theyre talking about. During Fedor's 10 years of dominance, PRIDE was the #1 organization, and had the best talent.

Fedor has constantly fought bigger opponents(almost always the smaller fighter) and beat them all during that 10 year reign. Anderson is a HUGE MW, is constantly fighting smaller fighters at MW(and has only a couple times fought at his natural size LHW). Not to ,mention he Middle Weight division is one of the weakest in the UFC.

Yeah, but we're talking about heavyweights here. Heavyweights, especially back then, were one trick ponies, relying on either their striking or wrestling or submission game. I don't mean to bag on Fedor, no doubt he was great and a beast. He mixed up the bag when fighting his opponents. Using heavy strikes and a good submission game. But to call him the best of all time?! I really don't think so.

I wish we could have seen Fedor at LHW. But we can't and never will. The only glimpse of that was when he fought Hendo. And that didn't work out too well for him.

I don't really know who the GOAT is. Anderson. GSP. Bones. Aldo. Maybe in 50 years we can look back and really evaluate.

 

[TheVileOne]

Oooh, somebody doesn't know what theyre talking about. During Fedor's 10 years of dominance, PRIDE was the #1 organization, and had the best talent.

Fedor has constantly fought bigger opponents(almost always the smaller fighter) and beat them all during that 10 year reign. Anderson is a HUGE MW, is constantly fighting smaller fighters at MW(and has only a couple times fought at his natural size LHW). Not to ,mention he Middle Weight division is one of the weakest in the UFC.

Pride was an organization that fixed fights and the referees had mics in their ears.

Please on beating bigger guys. Do you mean when he fought and beat super heavyweights by the names of Zuluzinho and Hong Man Choi? Those are ham and eggers in MMA and not impressive. Fedor was bigger or about the same size as the tougher opponents he beat such as Nogueira and Cro Cop. Beating Zuluzinho and Hong Man Choi are not big accomplishments.

Also what about when Fedor fought ****ing MATT LINDLAND in Bodog? Yeah that's really fighting a bigger, tougher, stronger opponent.

 

[VictorCreed]

And yet where is Pride today? What do you make of Pride fighters who washed out after Pride? Pride lightweight champion Gomi has been beaten by every top UFC lightweight he has ever faced except when he fought Jens Pulver in Pride.

Fighters get old, been in too many wars, etc...it happens to them all, even your UFC legends.

LOL seriously what the **** man? You do know that Frankie Edgar beat BJ Penn one of the greatest lightweights of all time and a former UFC welterweight champion as well? Ben Henderson didn't come from an inferior league at all. He worked hard to get to the UFC, he won three big fights and then he beat Edgar. He's a UFC champion now.

Chuck Liddell in his prime was a tough customer. And last time I checked he beat Alistair Overeem before he turned heavyweight. You do know Brock Lesnar lost his UFC title to Cain Velasquez who won most of his heavyweight fights in the UFC right? What was Cain Velasquez's inferior league? Junior dos Santos?

You do know that most if not ALL fighters start out in organizations outside of the UFC, right? Even Cain and JDS.
The fact is though, that PRIDE was the #1 organization before it collapsed in 2007. PRIDE didn't collapse because of lack of talent, it went under because of rumored mob ties, and then they lost their tv deal in Japan.

Shogun is not done, but he's likely past his prime at this point. Even his old coach Rafael Cordeiro thinks he doesn't work hard. Also who absolutely crushed Shogun as the champion? His name is Jon Jones, never fought in Pride.

Gee, maybe it's because Jones is too young, and didn't even start fighting until PRIDE collapsed? Ya think?

 

[VictorCreed]

Pride was an organization that fixed fights and the referees had mics in their ears.

Please on beating bigger guys. Do you mean when he fought and beat super heavyweights by the names of Zuluzinho and Hong Man Choi? Those are ham and eggers in MMA and not impressive. Fedor was bigger or about the same size as the tougher opponents he beat such as Nogueira and Cro Cop. Beating Zuluzinho and Hong Man Choi are not big accomplishments.

Also what about when Fedor fought ****ing MATT LINDLAND in Bodog? Yeah that's really fighting a bigger, tougher, stronger opponent.

I said most of the time. And Lindland weighed around 220 when he fought Fedor, so he was a HW at the time. And sure Fedor had some freak show fights that were chosen by Japanese fans. They like crazy ****. But even aside from those 2 giants, most of Fedor's other opponents were bigger than him too.

But, if you can find me any other fighter who has a list of accomplishments anywhere close to what Fedor has done, feel free to do so...
Before his 3 losses
There is ONLY one fighter that has proven his worth in about 31 fights, that has only been stopped by one doctor.

There is only ONE fighter that has beaten:

5 different X UFC champions
Coleman 2X
Randleman
Sylvia
Nog 2X
Arlovski

4 kick boxing champions
Schilt
Hunt
Goodridge
Hong Man Choi

6 different MMA champions
Coleman 2X
Randleman
Sylvia
Nog 2X
Goodridge
Arlovski

2 silver olympic medalist
Lindland
Ogawa

1 ADCC open weight champion
Arona

Honorable mention
Mirko Crocop
3 time K-1 finalist
2005 loss to Fedor at final conflict
2006 GP winner

There is only 1 fighter that has gone 30+ fights that has

- Never lost a decision
- Never been sub'd
- Never been knocked out
- Never knocked down

Only one fighter that has ever won 5 different mma championships.
- Wamma HW belt
- Pride HW belt
- Pride Grand Prix tournament
- Rings king of kings tournament
- Rings world class tournament

All while finishing 76% of his opponents.
A 25 fight win streak
With 22 victories in the first round
4 victories in the first minute
12 victories in the first 2 minutes

No other fighter in all MMA has any where near the list of accomplishments.

Mind you Fedor did this while being injured 2 times due to injuries he sustained to his hand during a fight. And while top fighters backed out of fights. One of which back out on multiple occasions (Barnett).

 

[TheVileOne]

LOL at all those stats. Beating Hong Man Choi in a ****ing MMA fight is meaningless. All you did was double-up and make the stats more obscure.

Matt Lindland is a ****ing middleweight. Doesn't matter he came in at 220 lb., just means he was fighting well above his natural weight class and was way overweight for that fight.

The only reason Fedor has such an impressive record is he got to fight a lot of tomato cans in MMA and freakshow fights. It's a padded record. Matt Lindland fought at 167 lb weight class when he medaled in the Olympics. That's roughly welterweight in MMA.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fighters get old, been in too many wars, etc...it happens to them all, even your UFC legends.

LOL @ "your UFC legends." They aren't my anything. According to you all the Pride talent came in and destroyed the competition into the UFC.

You do know that most if not ALL fighters start out in organizations outside of the UFC, right? Even Cain and JDS.

Of course they do. But the majority of Cain Velasquez's career has been fought in the UFC. He only had two pro fights outside UFC beforehand. JDS only 6-1 pre-UFC. The majority of their MMA careers and wins have been logged in the Octagon and those are the facts.

The fact is though, that PRIDE was the #1 organization before it collapsed in 2007. PRIDE didn't collapse because of lack of talent, it went under because of rumored mob ties, and then they lost their tv deal in Japan.

I'd say UFC was already surpassing Pride by that time with the advent of the Ultimate Fighter.

Gee, maybe it's because Jones is too young, and didn't even start fighting until PRIDE collapsed? Ya think?

This contradicts your earlier statement.

 

[VictorCreed]

LOL at all those stats. Beating Hong Man Choi in a ****ing MMA fight is meaningless. All you did was double-up and make the stats more obscure.

Yes, facts are so obscure.

Matt Lindland is a ****ing middleweight. Doesn't matter he came in at 220 lb., just means he was fighting well above his natural weight class and was way overweight for that fight.

Well, they are the same height, and Fedor has never cut weight. Lindland, being a wrestler is used to it and really good at it

The only reason Fedor has such an impressive record is he got to fight a lot of tomato cans in MMA and freakshow fights. It's a padded record. Matt Lindland fought at 167 lb weight class when he medaled in the Olympics. That's roughly welterweight in MMA.

Ridiculous. If Fedor was fighting cans in PRIDE which had the far better division at the time, what were Sylvia and Arlovski fighting in the UFC at the same time? Fedor fought the best of the best at the time. Sure there were a couple freak shows mixed in there, but he did exactly what youre supposed to do to the couple of "cans" he fought. He CRUSHED them like they were nothing.

 

[VictorCreed]

LOL @ "your UFC legends." They aren't my anything. According to you all the Pride talent came in and destroyed the competition into the UFC.

Never said that at all. It's about even when it comes to "PRIDE" fighters vs "UFC" fighters as far as records go.

Of course they do. But the majority of Cain Velasquez's career has been fought in the UFC. He only had two pro fights outside UFC beforehand. JDS only 6-1 pre-UFC. The majority of their MMA careers and wins have been logged in the Octagon and those are the facts.

Because, again, like most, if not all younger fighters, he didnt get the chance to fight in PRIDE, because it wasnt around anymore. PRIDE was widely considered the best talent pool in MMA right up until the very end. Again, it didnt go under because of lack of talent, or because the UFC was better.

I'd say UFC was already surpassing Pride by that time with the advent of the Ultimate Fighter.

Then I'd say you weren't watching much MMA until the past few years. When was this massive influx of great HW fighters from TUF show?

TUF started in 2005, PRIDE ended in 2007. TUF hadn't contributed much to the UFC at all in 2 years talent wise. It brought ratings and popularity to the UFC, that's it really.

This contradicts your earlier statement.

No it doesn't. How was Bones(or any younger fighter) supposed to fight in PRIDE when it wasn't around when they started fighting?

 

[TheVileOne]

Dude get over Pride already. They fixed fights. Albert del Rio showed up in a mask to get knocked out by Cro Cop.

 

[VictorCreed]

Dude get over Pride already. They fixed fights. Albert del Rio showed up in a mask to get knocked out by Cro Cop.

MAYBE a couple of the fights were fixed, we'll never really know.

And so what if a wrestler showed up for a fight in a mask? That kick that took his head off sure as hell wasnt fake. Sakuraba and Brock Lesnar were pro wrestlers too. They never wore a mask during a fight, but so what?

And thanks for ignoring all of my other points and proving me right.

 

[Project862006]

yeah victor i guess anderson aint nothing right

Beat 5 Former Champs

Rich Franklin
Forrest Griffin
Carlos Newton
Vitor Belfort
Dan Henderson

has top 10 victories in 3 different weight classes

Anderson started off as a WW and beat Newton he was a former WW Champ

beat Hayato Sakurai when he was ranked #1 in the WW Division and was undefeated at 18-0

Beat Forrest Griffin 1 fight removed from losing his LHW Title in the LHW Division

and beat guys like belfort,franklin,hendo in the MW Division

 

[Project862006]

^give it up

knee was legal
grease was wiped off
shorts grab he was warned for and did'nt impact the outcome

chael missed a spinning back fist and got kneed in the chest and dropped by punches by silva

 

[Project862006]

yeah this is the face right

 

[E-Man]

lol Anderson grabbed the shorts, but it didn't effect the outcome of the fight. Even if he got docked a point he still dazed and finished Chael way after that legally.

Hate isn't good. It makes you see funny things. That knee is clearly clean as day. Anderson won legit. It's easier if you just accept it. You don't wanna go down the B.J. Penn path.