Official UFC Thread - Part 3

[E-Man]

Sonnen has been claiming he's the real middleweight champ for two years. He also says a lot of ****. The knee is clearly legal.

 

[Project862006]

Sonnen himself admitted he got rocked by the totally legal knee to the 'chest'

because that makes sense

go watch tito/evans 2 and tell me a knee to the chest of a grounded opponenet can not hurt you

 

[Project862006]

you seriously trying to tell me a running full blast knee cap to the chest and solar plexus can not rock you?

 

[E-Man]

This is turning into that whole greasing thing all over again. Guess I'll get my popcorn ready.

 

[Project862006]

its ridiculous dana/ufc/anderson/and chael all said it was legal

and the replay and pictures clearly show it is all chest

 

[VictorCreed]

yeah victor i guess anderson aint nothing right

Beat 5 Former Champs

Rich Franklin
Forrest Griffin
Carlos Newton
Vitor Belfort
Dan Henderson

has top 10 victories in 3 different weight classes

Anderson started off as a WW and beat Newton he was a former WW Champ

beat Hayato Sakurai when he was ranked #1 in the WW Division and was undefeated at 18-0

Beat Forrest Griffin 1 fight removed from losing his LHW Title in the LHW Division

and beat guys like belfort,franklin,hendo in the MW Division

I never said Anderson was ****, or even bad. He has quite a list of accomplishments as well.

What I don't understand is why it's ok for Anderson to get credit for fighting at different weight classes, but the same people say Fedor fought MW Lindland, and Hendo, when both weighed HW at fight time.

It's all silly to me.

As Ralph Wiggum might say, "Great fighters are great"

 

[VictorCreed]

Im not a fan of either fighter, and was kind of hoping for a double KO. But, that fight was weird.

Silva didn't even try to avoid that he was rubbing himself on the chest and arms after taking it from his face.

He also grabbed Chael's shorts several times...

The knee was totally legal

That said...I only wish Anderson would have really ****ed Chael up. Chael gave up as soon as he threw the worst spinning backfist in the history of MMA and then twirled into the fence. So that was satisfying to see at least.

 

[zanos]

Boy, Sonnen did himself in again. One slip and he's gone, just like last time. I don't care that he lost again; I want to see round 3 between these two fighters. I can't stand how scared all of Silva's opponents are when they face him in the ring. Say what you will about Sonnen, but at least he doesn't fight scared.

 

[VictorCreed]

Boy, Sonnen did himself in again. One slip and he's gone, just like last time. I don't care that he lost again; I want to see round 3 between these two fighters. I can't stand how scared all of Silva's opponents are when they face him in the ring. Say what you will about Sonnen, but at least he doesn't fight scared.

He looked kind of scared/terrified here...

and here...

This one almost screams, "I'm sorry Anderson, sir..."

 

[VictorCreed]

One of the greatest times in MMA...

A HL of the 2003 Grand Prix where Chuck and Ricco came to PRIDE, it was one of the best events ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrZQgMG6Rmg

 

[Texas Zombie]

Fighters get old, been in too many wars, etc...it happens to them

Mike Tyson on Fedor- “He’s always been the underdog, he’s always the smallest guy and he always comes out victorious. He just stayed around too long in the age of high performance [-enhancing] drugs, bigger athletes. I’ve just never seen an athlete like him, as far as a fighting athlete, that beat the odds so many times."

 

[Texas Zombie]

Someone mentioned Anderson beating five former champs, well Jon jones only has one more to go to match that. I do think that Jon Jones will also surpass Anderson in record. A few more years and he will be a fine tuned machine.

Also does anyone remember in affliction when when Fedor beat Sylvia. It was right after randy quit the UFC citing his payment plus the lack of Pay. Well Fedor called out randy and randy said he would love to fight him. I believe randy also mentioned the lack of signing Fedor as one of his reasons for leaving.

I also believe that there were some fixed fights in pride, namely gomi's. Cause nick Diaz came in their and wrecked his *****.

 

[Project862006]

will always prefer anderson over fedor when it comes to pure skill

the dude clowns his opponents with accuracy,timing,head movement,counter striking,etc.

dude is one of a kind the forrest fight for example i have never seen a clowning so bad in my life he beat him in 1 round with his hands down and just head movement

and even ko'd him with the muhammad ali anchor punch of all things

 

[Paroxysm]

Glad to see me and Iron Mike are on the same page about Fedor.

Fedor will always be GOAT.

 

[Project862006]

i want fedor fans to answer me this what else does Anderson have to do?

- 15-0 in the UFC
- 10 title defenses - should be 11 if Lutter did'nt miss weight
- #1 MW and MW Champ for 6 years now
- KO'd a former Champ in a higher weight-class 1 fight removed from title loss
- Top 10 wins in 3 different weight classes
- Hasn't legitimately lost in 8 years

???

 

[Texas Zombie]

will always prefer anderson over fedor when it comes to pure skill

the dude clowns his opponents with accuracy,timing,head movement,counter striking,etc.

dude is one of a kind the forrest fight for example i have never seen a clowning so bad in my life he beat him in 1 round with his hands down and just head movement

and even ko'd him with the muhammad ali anchor punch of all things

Yeah the clowning and head movement was directly stolen from Roy jones jr, except Roy jones was funnier.

 

[B]

its ridiculous dana/ufc/anderson/and chael all said it was legal

and the replay and pictures clearly show it is all chest

I've quoted this simply because I've seen heard/read so many people saying Silva cheated he knee'd Sonnen in the face. Personally, I thought the 1 replay from a different angle in normal time proved that it was a legal shot however obviously there are some people that need it slowed down & zoomed in close to drive it through their thick skulls. Silva's knee hit all chest, anyone who says otherwise is one of the following: blind, an idiot, both of the 2 combined, a troll or a fanboy.

Oooh, somebody doesn't know what theyre talking about. During Fedor's 10 years of dominance, PRIDE was the #1 organization, and had the best talent.

Had to jump in on this, Pride was the #1 organisation & did have the majority of the best MMA talent. Although on the other side of the coin, the MMA heavyweight scene was nowhere near as strong during Pride as it currently is now & Fedor has been crushed 3 times once he took that step back into fighting a fairly high calibre opponent again after his handful of freakshow fights he was involved in after Pride ended. Not to mention one of the 3 men that wrecked him was Dan Henderson... a true middleweight considering when they fought he weighed 207lbs. Also a man Anderson Silva demolished rather ironically.. MMA math but still.. it is ironic.

The other 2 heavyweights currently aren't exactly setting the world on fire, Werdum was beaten easily by Overoid & Silva was destroyed by Velasquez & Cormier.

Pride was also a very crooked organisation with alot of fixed fights, I of course can't prove that any of Fedor's fights were fixed however why don't you look at the other heavyweights that have since come out of Pride & continued to stay were the majority of the best fighters were in the heavyweight division ie the UFC.

Cro Cop, Nogueira, Coleman, Hunt, Herring are 5 I can think of & none of them have even come close to putting together the sort of wins they managed to put together in Pride, Cro Cop & Nogueira in particular given they both had something like 20-3 records in Pride then once they get to the UFC they are both 3-4 & 4-3.

Fedor has constantly fought bigger opponents(almost always the smaller fighter) and beat them all during that 10 year reign. Anderson is a HUGE MW, is constantly fighting smaller fighters at MW(and has only a couple times fought at his natural size LHW). Not to ,mention he Middle Weight division is one of the weakest in the UFC.

Hmmm, nope. Fedor was round about the same height & weight as alot of the guys he fought in Pride give or take 1/2 inches in height & 10lbs-15lbs in weight..

Anderson Silva isn't a natural light heavyweight. When Silva begins his weight cut he weighs anything from minimum 195lbs to about a maximum of 205lbs, so this is after a good maybe 7 weeks plus hard training. However when hes not in camp/training regularly he does let himself go abit, you can tell in his face. He probably walks around at about 220lbs or so when he isn't training. Silva is about the same overall size as 90% of the guys at middleweight bar a few that are bigger/smaller. If he fought at light heavyweight against alot of those guys he'd be giving up a good 20lbs or so. Jon Jones in particular cuts about 25lbs or so to make 205. Rampage, Rashad & Griffin I believe cut a similar amount of weight as well.

Your also mistaken, the middleweight division isn't weak, Silva makes it look like it's weak because he has dismantled alot of credible fighters the same way Jon Jones has made the light heavyweight division look like a piece of piss given how he has come in & made it look all so simple.

 

[E-Man]

I never said Anderson was ****, or even bad. He has quite a list of accomplishments as well.

What I don't understand is why it's ok for Anderson to get credit for fighting at different weight classes, but the same people say Fedor fought MW Lindland, and Hendo, when both weighed HW at fight time.

It's all silly to me.

As Ralph Wiggum might say, "Great fighters are great"

The reason why it's more impressive for Anderson to beat Irvin and Forrest than Fedor beating Lindland is because Anderson moved up to the weight class where they had success and owned them. Irvin wasn't much but a cool looking KO, but Forrest was the legitimate champ that beat Shogun and Rampage. He's had plenty of success at 205, once reaching the peak of the class, and Anderson made him look like he never fought a day in his life. Say what you will about Forrest, but no one has ever made him look that bad. I know he gets a lot of flack for being goofy looking and all that, but he's skilled enough to have amassed one of the better careers of all time at that weight class.

Anderson fought him at his playground while Fedor beat Lindland in a weight class Lindland never fought in. Lindland was a good fighter at the time, but he didn't have a career at all at heavyweight. If he did it was so minute and forgettable that beating him in a class he barely fought in isn't so great. As someone once said that would be like Anderson fighting Kenny Florian. Kenny Florian fought at middleweight before, but would anyone really give Anderson many props for beating him if he moved up?

Besides, the real truth is that Anderson was a welterweight that beat the best in that class, then moved up and dominated middleweight. His success in two weight classes is...dare I say it? Amazing.

 

[Paroxysm]

i want fedor fans to answer me this what else does Anderson have to do?

- 15-0 in the UFC
- 10 title defenses - should be 11 if Lutter did'nt miss weight
- #1 MW and MW Champ for 6 years now
- KO'd a former Champ in a higher weight-class 1 fight removed from title loss
- Top 10 wins in 3 different weight classes
- Hasn't legitimately lost in 8 years

???

There isn't anything he can do. Fedor captured peoples imagination, there was a mystique about him that Silva will never be able to replicate.....never.

 

[E-Man]

Mystique my ass. I have been a Fedor fan since 2004, but Anderson has far more mystique than Fedor ever had. When I was watching Fedor I was glad to be able to see him fight, and sometimes scared that the streak might end. When watching Anderson Silva I get that same feeling, but you really don't know what he's going to do next. This man used a move from a damn movie to knock out somebody. He's had all kinds of knockouts you could possibly have, and he's managed to do things that no one else can replicate. This is the same person that put his foot into Vitor's chin. The same guy that went into the Matrix on Forrest and knocked him out with a jab backing up. You want mystique? Wondering what Anderson is going to pull off next is the real mystique.

 

[VictorCreed]

Someone mentioned Anderson beating five former champs, well Jon jones only has one more to go to match that. I do think that Jon Jones will also surpass Anderson in record. A few more years and he will be a fine tuned machine.

Also does anyone remember in affliction when when Fedor beat Sylvia. It was right after randy quit the UFC citing his payment plus the lack of Pay. Well Fedor called out randy and randy said he would love to fight him. I believe randy also mentioned the lack of signing Fedor as one of his reasons for leaving.

They even did a promotion for it! But UFC ruined it and sued Randy so he couldnt do it.

I also believe that there were some fixed fights in pride, namely gomi's. Cause nick Diaz came in their and wrecked his *****.

Well, if any fights were fixed, it sure wasn't that one. That was a great back and forth war. Gomi dropped Nick and cut him BAD, then Gomi gassed and Nick fought back well eventually getting Gomi in a gogoplata. It was only ruled a No Contest because Nick tested positive for marijuana(which is stupid, but whatever). Still was a great fight.

 

[Paroxysm]

That's techniques, not mystique.

Fedor was a recluse, trained in the wood. He's a quite guy, no one really knows anything about him outside the ring, it totally added to his mystique.

 

[VictorCreed]

I've quoted this simply because I've seen heard/read so many people saying Silva cheated he knee'd Sonnen in the face. Personally, I thought the 1 replay from a different angle in normal time proved that it was a legal shot however obviously there are some people that need it slowed down & zoomed in close to drive it through their thick skulls. Silva's knee hit all chest, anyone who says otherwise is one of the following: blind, an idiot, both of the 2 combined, a troll or a fanboy.



Had to jump in on this, Pride was the #1 organisation & did have the majority of the best MMA talent. Although on the other side of the coin, the MMA heavyweight scene was nowhere near as strong during Pride as it currently is now & Fedor has been crushed 3 times once he took that step back into fighting a fairly high calibre opponent again after his handful of freakshow fights he was involved in after Pride ended. Not to mention one of the 3 men that wrecked him was Dan Henderson... a true middleweight considering when they fought he weighed 207lbs. Also a man Anderson Silva demolished rather ironically.. MMA math but still.. it is ironic.

The other 2 heavyweights currently aren't exactly setting the world on fire, Werdum was beaten easily by Overoid & Silva was destroyed by Velasquez & Cormier.

Well, when Overeem failed his test and they were looking for replacements, Werdum and Hunt were in the mix for a title shot against JDS along with Mir, who got it.

And as far as Fedor's losses, I really wouldnt say he got crushed 3 times...Werdum caught him after Fedor made a mistake twice in a row by jumping into Werdum's guard trying to finish him. Bigfoot put a pretty good beating on him, but Fedor looked like he could have come out for another round, I would have loved to see that, but the doctor stopped it. And I thought the Hendo fight was stopped WAY early because Fedor was still defending himself. He did faceplant, but it looked more to me like he was trying to roll.

Pride was also a very crooked organisation with alot of fixed fights, I of course can't prove that any of Fedor's fights were fixed however why don't you look at the other heavyweights that have since come out of Pride & continued to stay were the majority of the best fighters were in the heavyweight division ie the UFC.

Cro Cop, Nogueira, Coleman, Hunt, Herring are 5 I can think of & none of them have even come close to putting together the sort of wins they managed to put together in Pride, Cro Cop & Nogueira in particular given they both had something like 20-3 records in Pride then once they get to the UFC they are both 3-4 & 4-3.

Well, Nog won the interim title, and the rest are getting up there in age/ring miles. Also the cage is a very different beast than the ring, so that factors in a bit too.

Hmmm, nope. Fedor was round about the same height & weight as alot of the guys he fought in Pride give or take 1/2 inches in height & 10lbs-15lbs in weight..

Anderson Silva isn't a natural light heavyweight. When Silva begins his weight cut he weighs anything from minimum 195lbs to about a maximum of 205lbs, so this is after a good maybe 7 weeks plus hard training. However when hes not in camp/training regularly he does let himself go abit, you can tell in his face. He probably walks around at about 220lbs or so when he isn't training. Silva is about the same overall size as 90% of the guys at middleweight bar a few that are bigger/smaller. If he fought at light heavyweight against alot of those guys he'd be giving up a good 20lbs or so. Jon Jones in particular cuts about 25lbs or so to make 205. Rampage, Rashad & Griffin I believe cut a similar amount of weight as well.

Your also mistaken, the middleweight division isn't weak, Silva makes it look like it's weak because he has dismantled alot of credible fighters the same way Jon Jones has made the light heavyweight division look like a piece of piss given how he has come in & made it look all so simple.

Silva is great, but the MW division IS weak. It's mostly full of people who couldnt hang at 205 so they dropped to MW to try their luck. Anderson's win over Forrest was a good one, but Forrest is so inconsistent. It just depends on which Forrest shows up...I mean look at the 2 fights with Shogun. Shogun was injured in the first fight, but Forrest grinded out a win. In the second fight, Shogun clowned him just as bad as Anderson did.

 

[TheVileOne]

Anderson Silva has far surpassed Fedor at this point.

 

[VictorCreed]

The reason why it's more impressive for Anderson to beat Irvin and Forrest than Fedor beating Lindland is because Anderson moved up to the weight class where they had success and owned them. Irvin wasn't much but a cool looking KO, but Forrest was the legitimate champ that beat Shogun and Rampage. He's had plenty of success at 205, once reaching the peak of the class, and Anderson made him look like he never fought a day in his life. Say what you will about Forrest, but no one has ever made him look that bad. I know he gets a lot of flack for being goofy looking and all that, but he's skilled enough to have amassed one of the better careers of all time at that weight class.

Anderson fought him at his playground while Fedor beat Lindland in a weight class Lindland never fought in. Lindland was a good fighter at the time, but he didn't have a career at all at heavyweight. If he did it was so minute and forgettable that beating him in a class he barely fought in isn't so great. As someone once said that would be like Anderson fighting Kenny Florian. Kenny Florian fought at middleweight before, but would anyone really give Anderson many props for beating him if he moved up?

Besides, the real truth is that Anderson was a welterweight that beat the best in that class, then moved up and dominated middleweight. His success in two weight classes is...dare I say it? Amazing.

Anderson is great, but the difference is that Fedor doesn't cut weight.

So smaller guys "coming up" in weight to fight him is just them not cutting the weight they normally do. Ask yourself this...why do fighters cut so much weight? It's to gain as much of a size and strength advantage as they can over opponents. Fedor has never had to do that.


Anderson fighting at LHW isn't all that impressive since his walk around weigh is 10 lbs less than Fedor's and Anderson is 2 inches(at least) taller.