Official UFC Thread - Part 3

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I didn't read your earlier posts. Oh, so Anderson is phony because he bent a couple rules....WOW!
He gets mad and calls someone a cheater and then cheats himself...yeah, I'd call that a phony or maybe you prefer hypocrite? Same thing.

I don't even know what to say to your second half....Rules?! Yeah, I know. But these rules will not be followed to a tee every single movement. Some of the stuff is instinct! Like I said, your fighting for your life. You, yourself, must not train or fight. If you were in there, grabbing a fence, or pulling on the shorts, its stuff that just happens. Its not like you mean to break these rules.
Grabbing the fence as he was falling into it I can buy as instinct. Rubbing grease all over his body and REPEATEDLY grabbing shorts was not instinct or on accident.

The way you describe things, why even have a ref? Screw it all! Let them fight to the death!

I think you've been watching too many movies. MMA is a sport, not a deathmatch.
 
It doesn't matter if GSP hasn't finished a fight in years. Point still serves that GSP has not lost a fight in years.

Tougher competition? Oh my. I didn't realize Leben, Sonnen, Lutter, Leites, Cote and Maia were the creme of the creme. :o

I agree, a win is a win, especially when it is a dominant win. To quote the coach, Herm Edwards. " You play to win the game."

You fight to win, GSP is every bit as legitimate as Anderson, regardless of him finishing fights or wearing his opponents down. I didn't say better, I said just as legit.
 
I agree, a win is a win, especially when it is a dominant win. To quote the coach, Herm Edwards. " You play to win the game."

You fight to win, GSP is every bit as legitimate as Anderson, regardless of him finishing fights or wearing his opponents down. I didn't say better, I said just as legit.
I'd say almost. The Spider was already champ back when GSP had his last L IIRC
 
GSP doesn't just win though. He outclasses elite guys on the regular. I don't care if he finishes fights. People get too caught up in that.

I think Anderson is better, but not because of the finishes. It's the volume of championship wins and the fact that clowns guys. It's crazy what he does. Maybe GSP will surpass him eventually, but for now it's The Spider at the top for me.
 
I didn't read your earlier posts. Oh, so Anderson is phony because he bent a couple rules....WOW!

I don't even know what to say to your second half....Rules?! Yeah, I know. But these rules will not be followed to a tee every single movement. Some of the stuff is instinct! Like I said, your fighting for your life. You, yourself, must not train or fight. If you were in there, grabbing a fence, or pulling on the shorts, its stuff that just happens. Its not like you mean to break these rules.

Bending the rules= cheating.

Greasing is intentional cheating. He knowingly is cheating. Wow and posting that he does it every time. Haha he cheats. Not bend the rules. They check for greasing before the fight, why do you think they rub you down?

GOAT don't cheat.



Part 2

Jeeze Chris Weidman nearly murdered mark munoz
 
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i told you guys weidman is the future he destroyed Munoz
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Well, when Overeem failed his test and they were looking for replacements, Werdum and Hunt were in the mix for a title shot against JDS along with Mir, who got it.

According to whom? Random people on the internet?

Frank Mir was always gonna get that title shot, he was the only fighter with a credible run of wins to warrent a shot unless they planned on doing a short notice Velasqeuz rematch.

And as far as Fedor's losses, I really wouldnt say he got crushed 3 times...Werdum caught him after Fedor made a mistake twice in a row by jumping into Werdum's guard trying to finish him. Bigfoot put a pretty good beating on him, but Fedor looked like he could have come out for another round, I would have loved to see that, but the doctor stopped it. And I thought the Hendo fight was stopped WAY early because Fedor was still defending himself. He did faceplant, but it looked more to me like he was trying to roll.

Trying to finish Werdum? Werdum was never in any danger of being finished in that fight. Fedor dropped him with a punch however Werdum never looked in trouble at all, by the time he was on his back he was already trying to hit Fedor with an upkick then trying to grab hold if him once he was in his guard.

Silva dominated him completely in their fight, there was no way he looked like he could have come out, he got beat down when he had 2 good eyes & by the 2nd 1 of them had closed completely.

Henderson fight saved Fedor from taking any unnecessary damage. He faceplanted & ate 4 or 5 or more Henderson ground & pound bombs after that.. if he'd let it go on further it could have been 9 or 10 more as Fedor didn't look like he was scrambling at the speed you'd expect someone to be doing when you are getting punches rained on you.

Well, Nog won the interim title, and the rest are getting up there in age/ring miles. Also the cage is a very different beast than the ring, so that factors in a bit too.

Interim titles are irrelevant. They only exist when there is a problem with the actual champion defending his title.

True, however you can't attribute those sort of records down to the cage/ring difference simply because the gap between the 2 are so great. (the records I mean)

Silva is great, but the MW division IS weak. It's mostly full of people who couldnt hang at 205 so they dropped to MW to try their luck. Anderson's win over Forrest was a good one, but Forrest is so inconsistent. It just depends on which Forrest shows up...I mean look at the 2 fights with Shogun. Shogun was injured in the first fight, but Forrest grinded out a win. In the second fight, Shogun clowned him just as bad as Anderson did.

As I've already told you, 185 isn't weak. Anderson Silva has just made it look that way because he has dominated all of his challengers so easily.

List me off those people you feel couldn't cut it at 205 so dropped down to MW because it's an easy division according to you.

i told you guys weidman is the future he destroyed Munoz
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Very poor ref stoppage.
 
According to whom? Random people on the internet?

A lot of people, fighters and even Dana didnt shoot the idea down immediately

Frank Mir was always gonna get that title shot, he was the only fighter with a credible run of wins to warrent a shot unless they planned on doing a short notice Velasqeuz rematch.
Well, they did take their time announcing who it was going to be

Trying to finish Werdum? Werdum was never in any danger of being finished in that fight. Fedor dropped him with a punch however Werdum never looked in trouble at all, by the time he was on his back he was already trying to hit Fedor with an upkick then trying to grab hold if him once he was in his guard.
Well, he dropped him like he had his past 2 opponents and even said he thought he had him hurt so he jumped in on him.

Silva dominated him completely in their fight, there was no way he looked like he could have come out, he got beat down when he had 2 good eyes & by the 2nd 1 of them had closed completely.
I know, but still...It's Fedor. His skin is like paper. His eye was the only thing that looked bad, he wasnt out of it by any means...and I just hate cut stoppages like that.

Henderson fight saved Fedor from taking any unnecessary damage. He faceplanted & ate 4 or 5 or more Henderson ground & pound bombs after that.. if he'd let it go on further it could have been 9 or 10 more as Fedor didn't look like he was scrambling at the speed you'd expect someone to be doing when you are getting punches rained on you.
He was rolling and grabbing for wrist control the whole time.

Interim titles are irrelevant. They only exist when there is a problem with the actual champion defending his title.
Well, it's still considered a UFC champion, and he beat Randy later anyway.

True, however you can't attribute those sort of records down to the cage/ring difference simply because the gap between the 2 are so great. (the records I mean)
Are you trying to say PRIDE records are padded?

As I've already told you, 185 isn't weak. Anderson Silva has just made it look that way because he has dominated all of his challengers so easily.

List me off those people you feel couldn't cut it at 205 so dropped down to MW because it's an easy division according to you.
Franklin, Vitor, Marquardt come to mind first. Maia is one dimensional, Forrest is so inconsistent. Cote is pretty terrible, Leben is a one dimensional brawler, Leites isnt very good. Lutter? Where is he?

MW is super weak.
 
grinded out a win victor?

last time i checked forrest subbed shogun

I just watched it again.

He did choke him out, but it was in the last 15 seconds of a fight where he didnt do a whole lot. Shogun just gassed. Hence, my "grinding out the win" comment about it...

that is also the biggest gash Ive ever seen on Forrest's face...and fights have been stopped for smaller cuts.
 
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I just watched it again.

He did choke him out, but it was in the last 15 seconds of a fight where he didnt do a whole lot. Shogun just gassed. Hence, my "grinding out the win" comment about it...

that is also the biggest gash Ive ever seen on Forrest's face...and fights have been stopped for smaller cuts.

I believe shogun claimed he was unable to train for the first fight like he wanted and after the fight had to get knee surgery.

Shogun outclassed forrest in the rematch.
 
A lot of people, fighters and even Dana didnt shoot the idea down immediately

There were no fighters calling for Hunt or Werdum to replace Overeem, there were fighters laughing & joking about the support/movement of internet fans calling for Mark Hunt to get the shot at Dos Santos.

Well, they did take their time announcing who it was going to be

Not really, the UFC waited as long as they could to see if there was any chance of Overeem's ban appeal would work. When it looked clear his lies weren't working they had Mir slotted in fairly quickly.

Well, he dropped him like he had his past 2 opponents and even said he thought he had him hurt so he jumped in on him.

From what I can recall of the fight from memory without looking it up, I don't think Werdum looked hurt even a little bit. The uppercut put him down however it was more a stiff uppercut that caught Werdum well. He was ready & waiting for Fedor as he tried to jump in.

I know, but still...It's Fedor. His skin is like paper. His eye was the only thing that looked bad, he wasnt out of it by any means...and I just hate cut stoppages like that.

I don't think you appreciate just how bad his eye looked, he couldn't see out of his eye & if he'd taken anymore serious blows to it he could have risked losing his vision. The doctor made the right call stopping the fight, he could have had a broken orbital bone & with no way to check in the cage he was completely unfit to continue.

He was rolling and grabbing for wrist control the whole time.

Go watch the fight again, Fedor hurt Henderson, now what Henderson was doing was rolling & defending himself, then during the scramble Henderson got behind Fedor hit him through his arm & Fedor went out like a light & faceplanted. He then ate 5 or 6 really heavy Dan Hederson bombs without any sort of reply or show that he was defending himself.

Heck when Henderson is pulled off Fedor, he can barely sit up on his own. He was badly hurt & whether he agrees with it or not, the referee stopped him from taking unnecessary damage.


Well, it's still considered a UFC champion, and he beat Randy later anyway.

It's not really though. If you were to ask me who the UFC Welterweight Champion is, it's George St Pierre, not Carlos Condit. An Interim title is something they come up with the avoid stripping the real champion of his belt when he is on the shelf.

Are you trying to say PRIDE records are padded?

No, however there has to be an explanation for why Nog & Cro Cop could go 20-3 in Pride but only 3-4/4-3 in the UFC when the divisions merged.

Franklin, Vitor, Marquardt come to mind first. Maia is one dimensional, Forrest is so inconsistent. Cote is pretty terrible, Leben is a one dimensional brawler, Leites isnt very good. Lutter? Where is he?

MW is super weak.

Cote was on a 5 fight win streak when he fought Silva, 3 of which were 1st round finishes. Was 13-4 going into the Silva fight.

Leban was on a 6 fight win streak when he fought Silva 4 of which were finishes. Was 15-1 going into the Silva fight.

Leites was on a 5 fight win streak when he fought Silva 3 of which were submission finishes. Had a record of 14-1 going into the Silva fight. One of Silva's more poor performances I felt during his fight against Leites though.

Lutter was on a 3 fight win steak when he fought Silva with 3 1st round armbar finishes. Had a record of 9-3 going into the Silva fight.

All credible title challengers at the time.

Forest isn't a MW.

You mention Maia & Leban being 1 dimensional, being 1 dimensional doesn't matter if it's getting you the wins.. it only matters if you are coming up against freaks like Silva, GSP, Jones & Aldo who are happy to go wherever the opponent goes.
 
No, however there has to be an explanation for why Nog & Cro Cop could go 20-3 in Pride but only 3-4/4-3 in the UFC when the divisions merged.
Even as a Fedor fan myself, I can't disagree with most of your points above. You're pretty on the money on most points. This one bit stuck out at me though. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Nogueira specifically was renowned for his ability to take tremendous amounts of damage, and make a remarkable comeback. However, that stuff builds up over time. Eventually you get to the point where you just can't take any more, and your ability to bounce back is just gone. Nogueira has had flashes of brilliance in his UFC career, but he just seems to lack that recovery he once had. Too many shots, too many wars.

Cro Cop is more of a puzzle. He came in on such a high. You could argue that the Gonzaga KO was career-altering, since it was just so brutal (to the brain and the knee). But, it's really hard to say. Cro Cop's mental game just seemed to slip. He didn't really seem to care anymore. At least, he didn't have the steely focus he once did.
 
So Jones doesn't wanna fight Silva? Before you know it MMA will have it's Pacquiao vs. Mayweather never to happen type of fights and idiots holding titles that get fed the crappy newcomers all the time...

Dana should just do an exhibition match between the two. No Belts on the Line. Just bragging rights and prize money.
 
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So Jones doesn't wanna fight Silva? Before you know it MMA will have it's Pacquiao vs. Mayweather never to happen type of fights and idiots holding titles that get fed the crappy newcomers all the time...
As much as I would like to see that fight, it's not like they're in the same weight class. Whereas boxing has such small increments between weight classes, the difference between MW and LHW in MMA is a fair size. 20lbs isn't something to sneeze at. If they don't fight, I won't lose sleep over it. They each have their own divisions to rule over. The size difference is pretty noticeable:

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So Jones doesn't wanna fight Silva? Before you know it MMA will have it's Pacquiao vs. Mayweather never to happen type of fights and idiots nholding titles that get fed the crappy newcomers all the time...

Dana should just do an exhibition somatch between the two. No Belts on the Line. Just bragging rights and prize money.

Catch weight. Agreed.

Jon jones has to be afraid of Anderson striking, and Anderson has to be afraid of Jon jones elbows(standing and on the ground).
 
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Just because you pass a drug test doesn't mean definitively you are NOT on steroids or not cheating. Cycling and masking agents FYI.
 
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