Official UFC Thread - Part 4

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What are you talking about the Jones/Belfort fight was an excellent fight.

Agreed. Although, Jones deciding to fight Belfort was an odd choice, to say the least. Then again, Sonnen replacing Hendo was just as weird. I blame Zuffa and Dana for that. The LHW (along with the MW) division needs more depth. Other Teixeira and Gustafsson, I don't see enough 'young blood'. Rampage, Evans, Griffin, Rua, Machida, Vera, Franklin and Silva are on their way out (1-2 years from now, tops) and fighters like Bader and Davis aren't exactly panning out to be outstanding talents.
 
Agreed. Although, Jones deciding to fight Belfort was an odd choice, to say the least. Then again, Sonnen replacing Hendo was just as weird. I blame Zuffa and Dana for that. The LHW (along with the MW) division needs more depth. Other Teixeira and Gustafsson, I don't see enough 'young blood'. Rampage, Evans, Griffin, Rua, Machida, Vera, Franklin and Silva are on their way out (1-2 years from now, tops) and fighters like Bader and Davis aren't exactly panning out to be outstanding talents.

To be perfectly honest, I had big respect for Chael Sonnen for offering to step in to save the UFC 151 card & fight Jones on 8 days notice. However when there was a months notice & therefore more fighters willing to step up, he wouldn't have been my first choice.

As for fighting Belfort, he was on a winning streak, albeit in another weight class.. however Dan Henderson is only on a 2 fight winning streak, in another company at LHW with 1 win at HW then on a 1 fight winning streak in the UFC.. so really Belfort isn't a million miles away from the same boat Henderson is on.

The problem at the moment is that Jones is fighting more actively than the UFC can build up potential challengers for him at LHW. I mean he has fought 6 times in the past 2 years beating 5 former champions. During that period once those fighters have been beat they have only maybe fought once or twice some of them even cancelled each other out by beating one another.. meaning his challengers at the moment are fighters on 1 or 2 fight winning streaks. In all honesty, they should have had Jones wait for Henderson to be fit, it would at least give the LHW division abit of time to get a backlog of potential challengers for him considering there are no real 'stand out' people at the moment.

Rampage has pretty much said that his next fight for the UFC will be his last as he was deeply unhappy that they have tried to renegotiate his next contract to pay him lesser money per fight. The only fight I wanna see Shogun in at LHW is with Rampage himself, aside from that I feel he should get off his ass, drop some of that body fat & take himself down to Middleweight.. maybe that way he won't gas in the middle of the 1st round of fights.

Machida, should sit tight.. he doesn't deserve a title shot though after a win over a guy not even in contention. Griffin is the same, I feel he still has it in him to make a run at the LHW title, Evans as well.
 
That was a real nice card. Outside of a couple of subpar fights the card was very entertaining. I won't spoil it, but I'll say that it had a really good ground fight.
 
Struve is on his way up. He still needs to learn how to move backward though. Nice fights though. Sass got his hype train derailed. I wasn't expecting that. I was thinking Wiman would win by TKO but to submit him?! Good work.
 
gunnar nelson looked great WW is really the most stacked division in mma
 
Great fight. Easily could've been an FX card. Really more stacked than the next upcoming FX card honestly.
 
:cmad:no one better get injured
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Diaz brothers on mma uncensored live on spike. Right now.
 
Dennis Hallman failed to make weight. Apparently he's having some personal issues. UFC paid him his show and win bonus and flew him home and fired him.

Jeremy Stephens was arrested at 10:45AM today. And he's supposed to fight in several hours. Dana White said that Stephens will fight, but who knows.
 
I love that Bonner-Griffin tv spot where Bonner is asking Forest for advice in how to approach an Anderson Silva bout. :funny:
 
Feel bad for Browne blowing his knee out like that. Of course idiots think it's a dirty tactic to do front kicks to the leg because they've never heard of muay thai and hate Greg Jackson. Good for Bigfoot though. Dude looked like he really wanted it.
 
dave batista fought this sat. it was not a good showing. you can watch it on youtube.
 
I love that Bonner-Griffin tv spot where Bonner is asking Forest for advice in how to approach an Anderson Silva bout. :funny:
Then he calls up Chael for advice on Anderson Silva and offers to exchange tips on Forrest Griffin.
 
dave batista fought this sat. it was not a good showing. you can watch it on youtube.

:funny:

I wish I still had the exact quote from Batista, but I'm pretty sure when asked about Brock Lesnar & Bobby Lashley, he criticised their standup ability & said he was more of a standup fighter than them as their MMA styles were based of the fact they both come from various degrees of legitimate wrestling competition in their younger days.. whereas he comes from a bodybuilding backround.

After seeing Batista fight though if his strength is actually his standup, he should never step foot in a MMA cage again otherwise he might get seriously hurt. I'm not even gonna post a link as I don't feel his involvement in the sport should get any sort of publicity as based upon what I saw it was an embarrassment to him & to whatever promotion he was fighting under.

Think about this, Brock Lesnar had better standup than Lashley so I'll use him as an example. Brock Lesnar would look like Anderson Silva if he fought Dave Batista. I mean Batista got tagged several times by a fat guy with no speed, hardly moved his head, if the guy threw some leg kicks he'd have crippled Batista.. it was just an all round embarrassment.

Batista is on Mariusz Pudzianowski, Bob Sapp, Butterbean sort of level, looks like he could get seriously hurt if he fought even a semi-skilled boxer or kickboxer.

If he plans on continuing this MMA career, he needs a hell of alot of work. He should go back to WWE, he looks like he belongs there far more than Brock Lesnar ever did.
 
Feel bad for Browne blowing his knee out like that. Of course idiots think it's a dirty tactic to do front kicks to the leg because they've never heard of muay thai and hate Greg Jackson. Good for Bigfoot though. Dude looked like he really wanted it.

I didn't see the fight, did Bigfoot front kick Browne's knee back injuring him?

For the record, I dislike the front kick to the knee. I think, at least the way Jon Jones does it is kinda dirty not to mention it's, ironic in MMA I know, dangerous.

Personally & I know alot of people, by the sounding of things you included, will disagree, I consider the front kick to the knee of an opponent walking you down on the same sort of level as lifting someone up & spiking them on their face/head/neck. I realise there is danger in everything in MMA from punches to elbows to kicks, but it looks like something that could injure someone & put them out for a long time. Things like that I'd like to see avoided.

My question would be if your gonna allow those sort of leg kicks, why not allow 12 to 6 elbows, head spiking, small joint submissions & strikes to the back of the head as they are all in a similar category I feel.
 
Then he calls up Chael for advice on Anderson Silva and offers to exchange tips on Forrest Griffin.

Yeah, it was golden. That promo made my night. :funny:


As for the front-kick to the knee, I agree with you B. If that's allowed, then so should limb-destruction techniques. I mean, if a fighter is intending to utilize it in a bout, then surely he or she is hoping to immobilize their opponent.
 
I didn't see the fight, did Bigfoot front kick Browne's knee back injuring him?

For the record, I dislike the front kick to the knee. I think, at least the way Jon Jones does it is kinda dirty not to mention it's, ironic in MMA I know, dangerous.

Personally & I know alot of people, by the sounding of things you included, will disagree, I consider the front kick to the knee of an opponent walking you down on the same sort of level as lifting someone up & spiking them on their face/head/neck. I realise there is danger in everything in MMA from punches to elbows to kicks, but it looks like something that could injure someone & put them out for a long time. Things like that I'd like to see avoided.

My question would be if your gonna allow those sort of leg kicks, why not allow 12 to 6 elbows, head spiking, small joint submissions & strikes to the back of the head as they are all in a similar category I feel.

Front kicks to the knee have been around for decades. It's an old move that isn't that bad as it looks. Plus there are ways to avoid it. Rashad parried most of Jones' kicks so that it had no effect, so Jones went upstairs with the elbows. In all the years of people using that kick in muay thai not many people have been seriously injured with it. Sure you can make the argument that they could get injured, but you can say the same thing about plenty of other legal moves.

Spiking heads and strikes to the back of the head are more dangerous because of the potential of concussions. Front kicks to the knee is just the same as low kicks. The thing with a lot of MMA fighters is that they have to learn to evolve their striking game past throwing punches and calling it boxing. Too many guys just stand in front of the other guy head hunting instead of setting things up. There's a way to keep those kicks from having an impact. Fighters just have to learn how to defend those kicks.
 
I think Browne just blew out his knee from throwing a kick. He was doing a bunch of weird moves he usually doesn't do in his fights. It cost him big time.
 
Front kicks to the knee have been around for decades. It's an old move that isn't that bad as it looks. Plus there are ways to avoid it. Rashad parried most of Jones' kicks so that it had no effect, so Jones went upstairs with the elbows. In all the years of people using that kick in muay thai not many people have been seriously injured with it. Sure you can make the argument that they could get injured, but you can say the same thing about plenty of other legal moves.

Spiking heads and strikes to the back of the head are more dangerous because of the potential of concussions. Front kicks to the knee is just the same as low kicks. The thing with a lot of MMA fighters is that they have to learn to evolve their striking game past throwing punches and calling it boxing. Too many guys just stand in front of the other guy head hunting instead of setting things up. There's a way to keep those kicks from having an impact. Fighters just have to learn how to defend those kicks.

It was different against Evans, Jones didn't throw as many of them as he did against the likes of Vitor & Rampage in particular simply because Rashad is far more of a takedown threat than those guys. I'm sure Jones would have known Rashad would be training on trying to catch those sort of kicks.

However getting back to your other points, just because there are ways to partially avoid something doesn't make it any less dangerous if it lands. I mean strikes to the back of the head can be avoided if you don't turn your back to your opponent & 12 to 6 elbows can be blocked as easy as regular elbows & punches can.. heck foot stomps can be blocked just get your ass off the canvas real fast. :D

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I understand that what I'm saying is kind of ironic given that we are talking about a sport in which you can have your head kicked off & I also understand that such a strike is a legitimate martial art technique.. however so are throat/neck strikes in some disciplines.

My perspective is that if it's something that looks like it could cause a career ending injury or harm a persons long term mobility, it should be illegal. Head spikes aren't illegal because of concussion risk, they are illegal because of the high risk of breaking someones neck if you dump them down in an awkward position. Strikes to the back of the head are probably concussion related, however you can get a concussion from being knocked out or hit anywhere on your head.

Also front kicks to the knee aren't remotely similar to side leg kicks ie shin to thigh/calf. Front kicks to the knee are designed to hyperextend a persons knee, which can cause all sorts of crazy damage & I'd imagine when you've professional guys that know how to throw it correctly it will take surgery to fully heal up if they do hyperextend someones knee. There would be 6 months+ on the shelf.

Side leg kicks are essentially designed to give the person a wicked dead leg & hamper their movement, however in 99.9% of cases the damage done by these is over after maybe a day or 2 at most.. maybe a week if Jose Aldo or Pat Barry is kicking you. Whereas the front kick to knee.. well if the thing lands correctly, then you've hyperextended someones knee & there is almost certainly ligament damage done instantly. You are then talking weeks maybe months depending on how severe it is.

Rules for MMA differ from state to state, country to country, promotion to promotion, however I was just glancing at the UFC's own rules & one in particular kinda falls under the category I'd file front kicks to the knee under:

Engaging in any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes injury to an opponent

Also the California Athletic State Athletic Commisson employ these rules:

Any unsportsmanlike trick or action that causes any injury to an opponent or referee.

Linear kicks to the front or side of the knees.
 
I think Browne just blew out his knee from throwing a kick. He was doing a bunch of weird moves he usually doesn't do in his fights. It cost him big time.

See that's what I had read however I assumed from the post I read from E-Man that it was something caused by a front kick to the knee. :O
 
^did you see invicta 3 shayna blazer did something worse than what jones does she heel stomped her opponent's Achilles tendon
 
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