Official UFC Thread - Part 4

[DoomsdayApex]

GSP is the superior striker?

I severely doubt that. If GSP were to challenge Condit in the stand up department, he'd get KTFO.

 

[B]

GSP is the superior striker?

I severely doubt that. If GSP were to challenge Condit in the stand up department, he'd get KTFO.

GSP is a far stronger striker than Condit. He is very technical & very accurate with his strikes both with his hands & feet.

He has stood with & out struck fighters with a stronger standup pedigree than Condit quite comfortably as well as then taking them down & beating them up on the ground.

But no matter, it's MMA not kickboxing, George is much more well rounded & if he is fully fit & focused he should be beating Condit wherever the fight takes place.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

GSP is a far stronger striker than Condit. He is very technical & very accurate with his strikes both with his hands & feet.

He has stood with & out struck fighters with a stronger standup pedigree than Condit quite comfortably as well as then taking them down & beating them up on the ground.

But no matter, it's MMA not kickboxing, George is much more well rounded & if he is fully fit & focused he should be beating Condit wherever the fight takes place.

I don't know what you're smoking, but that must be some Grade A stuff.

In no way, shape or form do I see GSP as the superior striker to Condit. That's laughable, in fact. Koscheck, Parisyan, Miller, Sherk, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Shields and Trigg -- that's what you base your opinion on?

When arriving to Alves, Hardy and Penn, those three were the only threats to GSP in the striking realm, and he wanted no part of either one when the bell rang. GSP instantly sought out the takedown to drain his opponent. Only after considerably slowing them down (after laying on top) did he dare to stand and trade his opponent. Alves and Penn, most notably, were completely gone by the third round.

Do you honestly think that GSP is going to stand and trade with a Carlos that's at full-strength? Ha! GSP was forever scarred by Serra. For the love of god, Pierre refused to put on a clinic when he fought Shields. He jabbed his way to a decision. No hooks, uppercuts and crosses, for the most part.

I'm sorry, but just because GSP can land a superman-punch and body kicks on a grappling-based opponent, or land clean strikes on a tired opponent doesn't make GSP a top-tier striker in the sport.

 

[B]

I don't know what you're smoking, but that must be some Grade A stuff.

In no way, shape or form do I see GSP as the superior striker to Condit. That's laughable, in fact. Koscheck, Parisyan, Miller, Sherk, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Shields and Trigg -- that's what you base your opinion on?

So explain to me what makes Carlos Condit the better striker? His KO win over a Judo fighter? Or his running/leg jab performance against Nick Diaz?

When arriving to Alves, Hardy and Penn, those three were the only threats to GSP in the striking realm, and he wanted no part of either one when the bell rang. GSP instantly sought out the takedown to drain his opponent. Only after considerably slowing them down (after laying on top) did he dare to stand and trade his opponent. Alves and Penn, most notably, were completely gone by the third round.

Ahh so I should disregard the fact that GSP outstruck both simply because they were tired.. I see

Do you honestly think that GSP is going to stand and trade with a Carlos that's at full-strength? Ha! GSP was forever scarred by Serra. For the love of god, Pierre refused to put on a clinic when he fought Shields. He jabbed his way to a decision. No hooks, uppercuts and crosses, for the most part.

The beauty is he doesn't have to as I said, even though GSP is the better striker, he has more of a wrestling & grappling advantage over Condit & thus if he is smart he should us his speed & explosiveness to make Condit think he is in a striking match, then just when he thinks he is, then he should take his ass down & go to work.

I'm sorry, but just because GSP can land a superman-punch and body kicks on a grappling-based opponent, or land clean strikes on a tired opponent doesn't make GSP a top-tier striker in the sport.

The best strikers in the division are still the best strikers in the division regardless if they don't have the stamina to keep up with GSP. You're acting as if people should overlook the fact that GSP outstruck them because they were tired, I'm sure GSP was tired as well when he was outstriking them.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

So explain to me what makes Carlos Condit the better striker? His KO win over a Judo fighter? Or his running/leg jab performance against Nick Diaz?

Criticize Condit's gameplan all you want but the fact is Diaz had no answer for Condit's mobility and fast strikes. Diaz was seeking a brawl and he got outclassed. It would have been the same result if Diaz fought GSP. Oh, the irony.

Ahh so I should disregard the fact that GSP outstruck both simply because they were tired.. I see

Duh.

See, being underneath somebody while trying to push them off, and return to your feet constantly, you tend to spend copious amounts of energy.

I'm sure if I were to lay on top my opponent for 8-10 minutes and then proceed to stand and trade with him, I'd look like a stud too.

Incidentally, Alves and Penn are notoriously known for subpar conditioning, but I'm sure you believe it's just a coincidence that Alves' and Penn's wide-open mouths were just that.

The beauty is he doesn't have to as I said, even though GSP is the better striker, he has more of a wrestling & grappling advantage over Condit & thus if he is smart he should us his speed & explosiveness to make Condit think he is in a striking match, then just when he thinks he is, then he should take his ass down & go to work.

He doesn't want to engage with anyone who is not depleted or mediocre. GSP is afraid of getting TKOed again.

GSP plays it safe all the time. He wouldn't dare take on Condit's strength, and risk taking a flying knee or right hook on the chin. I guarantee you, GSP will be continuously seeking the takedown to avoid the striking aspect of the game tonight. Quote me on that.

The best strikers in the division are still the best strikers in the division regardless if they don't have the stamina to keep up with GSP. You're acting as if people should overlook the fact that GSP outstruck them because they were tired, I'm sure GSP was tired as well when he was outstriking them.

Ummm, unless GSP actually strikes with Condit in the first round instead of taking him down, it's all mumbo-jumbo to me. GSP got KTFO by Serra and received a broken nose and a bloody lip when he choose to box with Penn.

No, he was not. Are you kidding me? GSP's conditioning has never been a weakness or liability to him. Like Cain and Edgar, GSP has some of best endurance in the sport.

 

[CrypticOne]

If I had to choose a better striker, I'd say GSP is the one. Condit definitely has more power, but I'd say GSP is the more technical.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If I had to choose a better striker, I'd say GSP is the one. Condit definitely has more power, but I'd say GSP is the more technical.

Aldo is a technical striker.

GSP only has the superman punch and the jab (which I applaud him for how utilizes it). He's also got a good roundhouse kick, but that's about it. He rarely deploys anything else.

A GSP strike is technical, but he never follows up. I haven't seen GSP throw a combination in quite some time.

The way I see it, GSP is nowhere near superior over Condit in the striking realm, especially after seeing how Carlos overwhelmed Diaz his counters, combinations and maneuverability.

 

[Project862006]

Not even in your wildest dreams.

GSP will win via LnP.

gsp never lnp's he always passes guard and advances position and constantly works for gnp and submissions

is this your definition of LNP?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

gsp never lnp's he always passes guard and advances position and constantly works for gnp and submissions

is this your definition of LNP?

GSP does advance and sprinkles his opponents with GnP every now and then to keep the ref from restarting the bout but to say he never LnP is insulting to anyone who's not blind.

He blanketed Koscheck, Alves, Fitch, Parisyan, Penn and Miller.

So please...

GSP hardly fires GnP like use to when TKOed Sherk, Serra and Hughes.

 

[TheVileOne]

DoomsdayApex, did you watch the Koscheck rematch?

That fight was mostly contested standing up and GSP tooled Koscheck standing and destroyed his face with his JAB.

Few can contend with GSP on the ground, but his striking has always been lightning quick and accurate. He picked Penn apart when they were standing too. His quickness and combinations are incredible, he simply lacks pure punching power that someone like a Johny Hendricks has more of.

He finished Matt Hughes twice when Matt Hughes was one of the best fighters walking the earth and the greatest welterweight of all time.

 

[B]

Criticize Condit's gameplan all you want but the fact is Diaz had no answer for Condit's mobility and fast strikes. Diaz was seeking a brawl and he got outclassed. It would have been the same result if Diaz fought GSP. Oh, the irony.

GSP plays it safe all the time. He wouldn't dare take on Condit's strength, and risk taking a flying knee or right hook on the chin. I guarantee you, GSP will be continuously seeking the takedown to avoid the striking aspect of the game tonight. Quote me on that.

I've no problem with his gameplan, but don't act like it's ok for Condit to play it safe & avoid fighting to someone's strengths, then turn around & criticise someone else for doing exactly the same thing.

Duh.

See, being underneath somebody while trying to push them off, and return to your feet constantly, you tend to spend copious amounts of energy.

I'm sure if I were to lay on top my opponent for 8-10 minutes and then proceed to stand and trade with him, I'd look like a stud too.

Incidentally, Alves and Penn are notoriously known for subpar conditioning, but I'm sure you believe it's just a coincidence that Alves' and Penn's wide-open mouths were just that.

As does struggling to take someone down, as does trying to hold someone down that is constantly trying to get back to there feet.

This isn't like it's a fat guy with some massive weight advantage laying on top of someone, these guys both weigh roughly the same give or take. It takes energy to get someone down, fight for position & keep someone down that is trying to get back to their feet or get on top.

Also conditioning is part of the sport, if they don't have the conditioning to spend say half a round grappling then they won't have the conditioning to put sustained pressure in the standup for an entire round.. so the point still stands. So bar 1 freak punch, GSP still would have eventually picked them apart because they don't have the stamina.

He doesn't want to engage with anyone who is not depleted or mediocre. GSP is afraid of getting TKOed again.

As I said, there is no valid point to be made here by you. If they don't have the stamina to go 5 hard rounds it's not GSP's fault. The facts are GSP outstruck Alves, Hardy & beat BJ into submission. He is capable of standing with the best strikers in the WW division & capable of grappling with the best grapplers in the division.

Ummm, unless GSP actually strikes with Condit in the first round instead of taking him down, it's all mumbo-jumbo to me. GSP got KTFO by Serra and received a broken nose and a bloody lip when he choose to box with Penn.

No, he was not. Are you kidding me? GSP's conditioning has never been a weakness or liability to him. Like Cain and Edgar, GSP has some of best endurance in the sport.

Being outstruck in a fight, is still being outstruck in a fight. Regardless what sort of excuses you can come up with about stamina or grappling it's MMA.

On paper, Condit has a puncher's chance to TKO/KO GSP on the feet & that's about it, because if he gets into a kickboxing match with him, GSP is technically stronger, if he gets into a grappling match with GSP he will be crushed.

 

[brainchild81]

I think GSP wins this. Hope it's exciting no matter who wins 'cuz I like both of them & I just spent money on it. Not sure if this is news to anyone but xbox live is showing it for 30% off

 

[CrypticOne]

I wouldn't expect GSP/Condit to be exciting. At any rate, it will probably be one of the most lackluster, boring fights of the year. GSP coming back from injury and Condit staying with his Diaz gameplan. I expect GSP to take Condit down at will. GSP will only stay on the feet long enough to get this fight to the ground. I actually don't expect Condit to fight against the takedowns and just allow GSP to take him down, so he doesn't exert much energy in this 25 minute bout. GSP wins by decision. Although, like I said earlier, I hope GSP knock Condit out.

The Hendricks/Kampmann fight will be the fight that you'll be glad you bought this event for at the end of the night.

 

[I'm Venom]

POWER

 

[brainchild81]

I wouldn't expect GSP/Condit to be exciting. At any rate, it will probably be one of the most lackluster, boring fights of the year. GSP coming back from injury and Condit staying with his Diaz gameplan. I expect GSP to take Condit down at will. GSP will only stay on the feet long enough to get this fight to the ground. I actually redon't expect Condit to fight against the takedowns and just allow GSP to take him down, so he doesn't exert much energy in this 25 minute bout. GSP wins by decision. Although, like I said earlier, I hope GSP knock Condit out.

The Hendricks/Kampmann fight will be the fight that you'll be glad you bought this event for at the end of the night.

GSP/Condit was awesome. Money well spent. Hendricks hits hard as ****

 

[CrypticOne]

HAHA! I was partly right.

 

[I'm Venom]

Fantastic fight

 

[E-Man]

*plays "Welcome Back" for GSP*

 

[B]

Holy crap the Hendricks KO was nasty. I thought that fight might have went to a decision as Kampmann in recent fights has looked unfinishable, he always seemed to find a way to get the win. Hendricks is undoubtably the No 1 contender for the WW title. Although Hendricks/GSP will more than likely go the way Koscheck/GSP

The GSP/Condit fight was very good as well. GSP controlled the fight everywhere, in the early rounds he took the centre & backed Condit up landing stiff jabs, crosses & kicks, then closing out the rounds by taking Condit down at will & then roughing him up on the ground. It's as I said on paper, Condit only had a puncher's chance to win & his chance came in the 3rd round when he knocked GSP down.. however I don't believe he was hurt as badly as Joe Rogan would have made you believe listening to his commentary. He looked alert & was defending himself the moment his back hit the ground & was able to recover, get back on top & make the round close to judge. Every other round though George controlled the standup & he controlled & beat Condit down further on the ground. Comfortable victory all things considered.

The UFC was already angling for GSP/Silva before the fight as well, even on Primetime. Now the talk can legitimately start. I got Silva all day though. His striking is on another level & as we've seen against Sonnen, he can avoid the takedown if he chooses to.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Holy hell!!!! This is the ****ing GSP I've wanted back for years. St. Pierre was actually trying his damnest to finish the fight. He shut up me, that's for sure. GSP for the first time in a long time sought to fight a striker at his game without going to the takedown right away.

I'm sort of disappointed in Condit. Instead of pulling the trigger, he backed off and proceeded to act as if GSP was as dumb as Diaz. Carlos finally started to let go of his hands late in the second round but he got reckless. Condit did land that headkick, a few stellar combinations and managed to sweep GSP, but he overall disappointed me.

 

[CrypticOne]

I hope GSP stays at welterweight. I don't really want to see this superfight with Anderson. If anything Anderson should move up in weight. I hope GSP/Hendricks happens next.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

GSP-Silva shouldn't happen, in my opinion. St. Pierre is too small for Anderson, but if it were to happen, it'd be a nice win to solidify Ando's legacy (beating a fellow P4P Champion).

I would much rather see Silva toy around with Jones than with GSP. Jon at least is bigger. That, and I want to see Jones' arrogant, fake and semi-cowardish ass get knocked out.

That's the bout that should be made.

 

[CrypticOne]

GSP-Silva shouldn't happen, in my opinion. St. Pierre is too small for Anderson, but if it were to happen, it'd be a nice win to solidify Ando's legacy (beating a fellow P4P Champion).

I would much rather see Silva toy around with Jones than with GSP. Jon at least is bigger. That, and I want to see Jones' arrogant, fake and semi-cowardish ass get knocked out.

That's the bout that should be made.

I'd like to see that also. I dislike Jones greatly.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'd like to see that also. I dislike Jones greatly.

And to think, I was a massive fan when Jon first burst onto the scene, but man... Jones really outed himself with the **** he's pulled.

Jones, without question, is in my top three [for most disliked fighters in the sport].

 

[Project862006]

you see kampmann slide across the canvas LOLOL

hendricks is ww hendo thats for sure