Official UFC Thread - Part 4

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on post show from fuel tv they showed fight metric and it said frankie outstruck aldo in rounds 3, 4 and 5 - which are the rounds i gave frankie

i think we should have a new champ
 
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49-46 are you ****ting me? 2 Judges scored the Aldo/Edgar fight 49-46.. come on man that's ****ing ridiculous.

Jose Aldo unquestionably won the first 2 rounds & Frankie Edgar unquestionably won the last 2 rounds. Honestly anyone with eyes should agree with that statement. The only round that was in question was the 3rd round & I gave it to Edgar, it wasn't a clear round victory as 4 & 5 were, but I thought he'd done enough.

It's ridiculous for Edgar because he is constantly finding himself on the wrong end of decisions for some reason despite outstriking, outworking & taking fighters down. It's got to be demoralising for him because it seems the only way he is getting victories is if he finishes someone because the judges have now screwed him over in his past 2 fights. He should be sitting here with a 17-2-1 record & both Lightweight & Featherweight UFC Championships.

If the judges had all scored that 48-47, I could have accepted that. But the fact that 2 of them scored it 49-46 proves that at least 2 of them were morons & must have scored the fight based upon how Edgar's face looked in comparison to Aldo's despite the fact that it was clear in the final 3 rounds Edgar landed more frequently & more effectively than Aldo did.

I'm glad I live in the UK & get UFC Events on ESPN for £6 a month because if I'd paid PPV for that & then seen 2 moron judges score any fight on that card so ridiculously I'd end up smashing my TV in frustration.
 
As for Overeem, was funny to see him get KO'd by Silva after he gassed. He's gonna need to get himself back on his juice ASAP if he wants to buy himself a few wins.

Evans/Nogueira was poor, was a very boring fight with neither Rashad or Nogueira doing anything substantial in it's entirety. It was such an uneventful fight it could have been awarded a draw.
 
The Edgar/Aldo fight is looking to me like BJ/Edgar 1 where it's so close that saying one guy won isn't such a stupid argument unless it's from a fanboy saying something like, "Aldo is the best mayne! He deed it!!!1" I think Aldo took it, but thinking Edgar won isn't ridiculous at all considering that third round was really close.
 
As for Overeem, was funny to see him get KO'd by Silva after he gassed. He's gonna need to get himself back on his juice ASAP if he wants to buy himself a few wins.

Evans/Nogueira was poor, was a very boring fight with neither Rashad or Nogueira doing anything substantial in it's entirety. It was such an uneventful fight it could have been awarded a draw.

Overeem didn't gas. He was cocky all night long standing in front of Bigfoot with his hands low and his chin up. To me, it appeared as if Alistair was playing with his food in the second round. He could have ended it at any moment but chose to do the minimum when he had Silva on his back. Then Overeem gets caught for being too arrogant in the third round, and it cost him. Hopefully this detour humbled The Reem cuz he's got JDS next and he's going to need that killer instinct from the Hari, Rogers and Teixeira bouts.
 
I was there live and I scored it for Aldo. Third round was close, but whatever.

Edgar took too much damage and punishment. Aldo I think landed the harder cleaner shots.

And I said this in the last Henderson fight, these are the perils of Edgar's fighting style. He's generally a point fighter. He's got this in and out pitter, patter style. And he can hit a lot of strikes, but is it really working?

I still believe Edgar lost the first fight with BJ Penn 4-1.
 
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Overeem didn't gas. He was cocky all night long standing in front of Bigfoot with his hands low and his chin up. To me, it appeared as if Alistair was playing with his food in the second round. He could have ended it at any moment but chose to do the minimum when he had Silva on his back. Then Overeem gets caught for being too arrogant in the third round, and it cost him. Hopefully this detour humbled The Reem cuz he's got JDS next and he's going to need that killer instinct from the Hari, Rogers and Teixeira bouts.

He was defiantly gassed at the end of the 2nd/start of the 3rd. He was so tired his striking defence in the 25 seconds it took into the 3rd round to knock him out was non-existent. He immediately tried to tie up with Silva or take him down, then when Silva shrugged him off threw a weak pawing left hook with no sort of conviction or the explosiveness he had shown in the first. Him being cocky & just standing in front of Silva didn't help when he'd gassed either because he was no longer able to react quick enough to avoid Silva tagging him.

Honestly there was no point in that 2nd round where Overeem was in a position to end it at any moment, Silva did just as much damage to Overeem off his back than Overeem did in his guard as he hit him with a handful of elbows & hammerfists.

Junior will KO Overeem I think inside 2 rounds. His handspeed in the 1st will be too much for Overeem & Overeem's chin is still under question.
 
I'd like to see JDS fight Reem before he rematches cain.

Unlike Cain, reem with stand with JDS and we all know how that will end..

I like Edgar, lots of heart, but if you fight for the decision you shouldn't complain about a decision.
 
Also, I'm glad someone finally did that to fitch.
Being one of the bigger walter weights in the div, Fitch would use his size and endurance to out grapple and grind his opponents. The minute this fight was announced I knew Maia would put an end to that.

Fitch might be considering moving up.
 
Aldo clearly won rounds one and two. Not only did he land more strikes, he also caused more damage and dictated where the fight took place.

Round three could be scored either way, but I scored it for Aldo. Again, Aldo did more damage.

Round four I scored strongly for Edgar. Round five could’ve gone either way, but I scored it for Edgar.
 
I was there live and I scored it for Aldo. Third round was close, but whatever.

Edgar took too much damage and punishment. Aldo I think landed the harder cleaner shots.

But see if that is the case with the judges, then it's a big flawed problem. You don't score a round based upon damage he took in a previous round. Each round should be judged completely separately. The majority of the damage Edgar took was in rounds 1 & 2, however in rounds 3, 4 & 5 considering Edgar outstruck Aldo in each round, there can be no argument to be made in favour of Aldo doing more damage in those rounds than Edgar.

You could point out that Aldo didn't have much if any visible damage done during those rounds so were Edgar's strikes really 'significant'? You have to keep in mind that during those 3 rounds, Edgar mixed his strikes up with head, body & leg blows, whereas Aldo predominantly attacked Edgar's head & briefly his legs before he stopped throwing kicks after Edgar caught a couple of them. You also need to keep in mind that people are different & some people bruise, swell up & cut easier than others. Look at BJ Penn.. his face skin is like leather.

My main problem isn't that Edgar lost, because I felt it was a close fight, I think the 3rd round could have went in favour of either, my main problem is that 2 judges scored 49-46 Aldo.

And I said this in the last Henderson fight, these are the perils of Edgar's fighting style. He's generally a point fighter. He's got this in and out pitter, patter style. And he can hit a lot of strikes, but is it really working?

I still believe Edgar lost the first fight with BJ Penn 4-1.

Edgar's style would be very technical based. He doesn't have outstanding explosive power so he compensates for having good movement & creating angles for himself to throw 3 or 4 speed attacks & getting out as opposed to a 1, 2 type power swinger.

He's one of very few MMA speed fighters. In some aspects you could compare him to Floyd Mayweather who also doesn't have massive KO power, but he can land alot of shots & make his opponents miss theirs.

To me if a fighter lands 20 blows in a round & his opponent lands 10, the fighter with 20 landed punches should be the winner of that round. The only way the person with less connecting attacks would win would be if those 10 punches either dropped his opponent or looked far more devastating. Something I don't think Aldo's were.. rounds 3, 4 & 5 anyway.
 
Aldo had a more varied attack than Edgar I think.

The superman punch in the last round IMHO was the biggest strike of the whole round and that was thrown by Aldo.
 
Aldo had a more varied attack than Edgar I think.

The superman punch in the last round IMHO was the biggest strike of the whole round and that was thrown by Aldo.

Not overall he didn't, I don't have the statistics in front of me but from what I can recall of the fight Edgar was threw punches/kicks to the head, body & legs pretty regularly & Aldo largely seemed focused on Edgar's head. It would be interesting to know the strikes success rate over the rounds as well as where those strikes landed.

Even if that were true, unless that 1 punch actually put him Frankie in trouble, then it shouldn't be counted as any more valuable a punch than one of the many blows Edgar connected with Aldo during that round.

Frankie should stay at Featherweight I feel, there was talk of him dropping down again Bantamweight as well before the fight, I'm sure he'd have no trouble making that either but I think Featherweight is were he should make home for 2/3 fights. So hopefully unless he gets injured I'd like to see him fight twice more at Featherweight before the end of 2013.
 
Stats don't always tell the whole story B. I don't think you can rely solely on pure stats all the time.
 
fight metric is a flawed system how does fight metric have edgar outstriking aldo from rounds 3,4,5 but have him lose fight???
 
It's not all just about strikes. Aggression and Octagon control :D .
 
I don't really see the controversy. Aldo clearly won rounds one and two... Edgar won round four, but the other two could easily go either way... would love to see a rematch someday.
 
for me it is how you scored round 3 which was a bit close

since for me aldo clearly won rounds 1 and 2 and edgar clearly won rounds 4 and 5
 
IMHO, the only clear round for Edgar I think was round 4. I think Aldo could've gotten round 5 as well.
 
I had Edgar winning the third round before the front kick.
 
edgar also slammed aldo and hit him with a stiff uppercut like i said hard round to judge
 
My dad always watches and loves Edgar. He had Edgar winning the 3rd, 4th, and 5th. My friend had Aldo getting the 1st and 2nd, Edgar getting the 4th and 5th, with the 3rd being even. One room full of people had every outcome scored. I'd like to see a rematch.
 
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You can't keep putting Edgar in title rematch after rematch and keep getting same result.

Time to put him back in the rest of the division and see if he can work his way back up.
 
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