Official UFC Thread - Part 5

[badgrammar]

The rematch ended pre-maturely due to a freak injury, calling it a domination is a laughable opinion at best.

You said it yourself with your own statistic. 3 leg kicks. The rematch ended too prematurely to take anything away from it.. which is exactly why nobody, other than you, is talking up how much better Weidman looked & how he is the real deal.

I never said he was the real deal, all I ever said that is that you guys are not giving him credit. I am the only guy here on Superherohype.com defending him. I want you to express the way you feel about Weidman on actual MMA forum.
See for yourself how wrong you are about me being in the minority.
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/i-trying-ignore-these-threads-but-over-week-later-2647401/

Go ahead, go post there or create a thread over there.

I know it wasn't, but since you were acting like an ass I decided to reply to it.

You reply that way because you were upset and bitter and you projected those feelings by calling me stupid, and what I did wasn't even that bad, it happens all the time in Sport forums. Your response would been more appreciated and respected by me if you didn't call me stupid.

Well we can agree to disagree, I mean by your logic you're saying that everytime Chael Sonnen took Anderson down he entered survival mode because he was trying to get Chael into his guard. Once Silva hit the ground & Weidman came in, Silva didn't behave like someone in survival mode, he behaved the way he has any other time he has been taken to the ground by a wrestler ie move quickly to secure guard to keep as much control over his opponent as possible to frustrate them.

He was calm like he should be on his back. Silva was losing the fight against Chael.
I can say he got lucky in the last round in the first fight against Chael, just like how people say Chris got lucky in second round in the rematch against Silva.

I can discredit Silva and say that he only won his fight against Chael in the rematch , because Chael did something incredible stupid in the second round, just like how people discredit Chris's win against Silva in the first fight, because Anderson was acting like a clown and being stupid.

Not only that ,but Anderson had clowned a lot with other fighters he went against.
The only difference is that he lost that time. Pretty much, people say the Chris's first win against Silva doesn't count because Anderson Silva wasn't fighting his best.
That is ****ing ridiculous.

I guess Silva's win over Belfort doesn't count because Vitor wasn't being aggressive enough.

A knockdown 99% of the time is a mini-knockout with the other 1% being balance/slip related, however in this case it's a reach to describe Silva as being out of it given how quickly he recovered position.

Seven out of ten times fights been stopped after a fighter gets knockdown like that. Anderson's eyes rolled back. Anderson almost got stopped in that round

Not at all, I just don't think Weidman is that good. I look at him & think, he's no better than any of the long list of people Silva's fought & beaten. I'm not saying by any means that I think Weidman can't fight or I give him 0 respect, but I think he's in a similar group to Michael Bisping. Good fighter, but lacking something that will make them 'elite' or an all time great.

I am not saying that Chris is that good, but he is a horrible match up for Anderson Silva.

Be more respectful? Think about this, you went back what, 6 months, worth of previous comments from 3 or 4 people that post in here to bring up comments in an attempt to gloat over a result or goad them into a reaction. If anyone needs to be more respectful, it's you.

All I ever said that you guys were wrong. I never directly call you guys stupid or idiots.
I went a only a few paged back. This thread is not too big, and yes I quoted those comments to prove my point that I couldn't before the rematch.

How is that disrespectful?

If anything you need to learn not to project your bitterness. There is word for that, and I think you know what it is.

 

[Warhammer]

I went out of my way? This thread is not too big, and I quote you guys after the rematch when you guys called him the "Buster Douglas" of MMA after the first fight.

I'm going to give you one whole year to search through the thread and find where I said or agreed that Weidman was the Buster Douglas of MMA. Go on and find it.

No offence, but you're obviously upset, and they way you feel is very prone for a certain insult.

I want you to go and find a post where I am upset.

Go Express your opinions of this Subject on Sherdog.com, and you see what I'm talking about.

For what?

I'm the only poster here defending the guy that actually won twice.

Alright, that's cool. You still went out of your way to quote me to pick a fight talking about me eating crow. I don't see what you are gaining or what you want me to do. Like I said before, you must be Chris Weidman's daddy or maybe his brother.

 

[Slushy]

George St. Pierre BLASTS UFC

One month ago, Georges St-Pierre announced a hiatus from mixed martial arts, citing burnout due to pressure as well as personal issues as the cause. On Tuesday, he added another reason for his break, telling the media during an appearance in Montreal that a lack of support from the UFC in his efforts to clean up the sport also weighed on his mind in stepping away.

“It bothered me enormously,” he said in French. “That’s one of the reasons I stopped fighting.”

In September, during a live Google Hangout with FOX Sports, UFC president Dana White said he thought St-Pierre and his UFC 167 opponent Johnny Hendricks “looked stupid” for publicly jockeying over extra drug testing.


At one point, St-Pierre offered to pay for both to use the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association as an independent testing body, but Hendricks refused, saying he wanted to use the World Anti-Doping Agency, which sets international testing standards but does not actually conduct tests.

“I never took drugs in my life. I'll take a lie detector test. I don't care. I'm for anti-doping tests. I think it's a big problem in the sport.”
St-Pierre went on to participate in the VADA program by himself and passed all the tests while Hendricks took the standard Nevada athletic commission tests and also passed.

“I tried to change things, and unfortunately, maybe for money reasons or for the image, maybe we’re not ready to do that,” St-Pierre said. “Or maybe there’s a fear that everybody is going to want to be tested because a lot of people might be on drugs so the honest people want to have a fair fight. I tried to do change in a very diplomatic way. It didn’t work so it’s unfortunate but I believe it will happen sooner or later.”
Perhaps that impact is already being felt. Recently, the UFC participated in extra drug testing, paying around $20,000 for Nevada to test both Josh Barnett and Travis Browne out of competition, and through both urine and blood.

The 32-year-old St-Pierre vacated the welterweight champion after a divisional record nine straight title defenses to go with an 11-fight win streak.


"There's one organization that has a monopoly, so the fighters don't have much power. They can't really talk because if one says what he thinks, he will get punished."--Georges St-Pierre

St-Pierre said he had no firm plans on returning and inferred that things might have to change in the drug testing of the sport in order for him to return. When pushed for clarification, St-Pierre said that would not necessarily be the case, but that he believes change will gradually occur.
St-Pierre did not explicitly mention any of these feelings during the conference call in which he announced his intentions to take a break from the sport, but said that people could read between the lines of his words.

During that same conference call, UFC president Dana White was asked if St-Pierre ever mentioned the issue to him, and White responded no.
On Tuesday, St-Pierre made his grievance public, making it clear that it did play at least a secondary role in his decision to abdicate his throne.

"The only thing I want to say is that I wanted to do something to help those who are honest in the sport,” he said. “Believe me or not, I never took drugs in my life. I'll take a lie detector test. I don't care. I'm for anti-doping tests. I think it's a big problem in the sport.

"This is a relatively new sport,” he continued. “There's one organization that has a monopoly, so the fighters don't have much power. They can't really talk because if one says what he thinks, he will get punished."


UFC CEO and co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta told ESPN.com on Tuesday that he was "shocked" by St-Pierre's remarks. "We've made it clear, through presentations at various athletic commissions, that we advocate for the most rigorous drug testing possible," Fertitta said. "We've actually advocated for harsher penalties for PEDs.

"Maybe Georges didn't understand the level of drug testing Nevada was doing. They are the ultimate authority that handles drug testing, medicals and everything else -- and they are very capable."

St-Pierre, who was in Montreal to offer martial arts endowments through his Georges St-Pierre Foundation, said there was no timetable for a potential return, but that he was feeling refreshed by his time away from action, and had actually put on some muscle due to his decreased training schedule.

“I feel very good and very happy,” he said. “I had Christmas and New Year’s with my family, something I didn’t have for a long time because I was always training. I had it with my family without stress. I was able to drink, to have fun, and I really enjoyed it.”

http://msn.foxsports.com/ufc/story/...sed-drug-testing-played-role-in-hiatus-011414[/URL]

Can any fighter NOT having a falling out with Dana White?

 

[Warhammer]

Honestly.

 

[TheVileOne]

GSP is bitter that Dana White thinks he lost to Johny Hendricks.

He was the one that said no to the enhanced WADA testing the NSAC wanted to do.

 

[brainchild81]

Bendo beats the punk

 

[Donnie Darko]

Looked at this thread for the first time in a while (I forgot we even had an MMA thread on the Hype), but I have to agree that 2013 Weidman > 2013 Silva. I mean, I still consider Silva the GOAT (although I can appreciate the arguments being made for both Fedor and GSP), but at the point in their careers that they fought, Weidman was (is) better than Silva. That's not to say that 2008 (or whenever) Silva wouldn't beat Weidman because I really have no idea, but I hate either of Weidman's wins being considered lucky or a fluke. It gets really old reading threads about it on Sherdog all the damn time.

On a different note, my old middle school/high school teammate, Abel Trujillo, makes his pay per view debut next weekend against Jamie Varner. Good times.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Bendo beats the punk

I agree. I have nothing against Thomson, but I love me some Henderson. I know he wins by decision pretty much all the time now, but I don't find his fights boring at all.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Benson Henderson vs. Josh Thomson
Stipe Miocic vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
Donald Cerrone vs. Adriano Martins

 

[Warhammer]

Let's go Henderson. He's one of my favorite fighters.

 

[Warhammer]

Yeah, Henderson lucked out tonight judging by the way the first two rounds looked prior to the broken hand.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Thompson got robbed.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's Thomson actually .

I scored it for Hendo honestly, but I could've seen it going 3-2 either way.

I feel bad for Thomson, but he knew this would happen. We've seen it with Henderson before. He should've been more prepared.

It's probably Pettis vs. Melendez next.

 

[Warhammer]

Oh yeah, rounds 3, 4, and 5 definitely went to Henderson. Statistically speaking, he dominated in every way. However, Thomson put up a hell of a fight with that broken hand. The way the first two rounds looked, Henderson was in some trouble. I'm glad Henderson won, though.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

I felt Henderson won too. But I am at the point now where I wish he would try to finish some fights, take a little risk and see if he can put on a show stopper. As the casual mma fan goes, he Fitch 2.0 now

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

 

[Donnie Darko]

If Abel Trujillo doesn't pick up FOTN and KOTN bonuses tonight, it's a joke.

 

[B]

Another UFC Main Event, another poor stoppage. Herb Dean is one of the best referees in MMA, but he made a poor decision to stop the fight. He's obviously trying to look after the well-being of Faber, but he did signal that he was fine with the situation he was in.

Rogan pretty much said asked the question right, in that sort of situation, what would constitute defending yourself intelligently? To me, you can't get much more intelligent defending of yourself in that situation than having your arm up blocking 95% of all the incoming strikes with the other arm trying to get some sort of grappling control of your opponent.

Barao's reaction annoyed me with the way he looked at Herb Dean almost begging him to stop the fight when he had Faber down. It was his look up that forced Dean's hand in my opinion. If you want a fight to be stopped, you need to put it beyond all doubt that it is over.

Trujillo & Varner was easily the most exciting fight of the night. Back & forth competitive bout between the 2, very enjoyable to watch.

Aldo looked very crisp against Lamas. His striking in general is lethal & his leg kicks are absolutely savagely timed & placed. His win hopefully sets up a fight with Pettis that has the recipe to be one of the most fast paced & exciting fights we'll see between 2 very well rounded & savage strikers.

Roidereem looked decent against Mir, paced himself well & went the distance without gassing because of how well he paced himself. It seems getting off those roids while it has seen him show a decrease in muscle mass it has seen him receive an increase in brain cells. How many more times must we see Frank Mir get hurt badly from the clinch before he'll take some action to either avoid the position or get better at defending himself from it.. ?

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Other than Mir getting you in a hold he's pretty much just a punching bag now. I had high hopes for Reem but anyone who can put pressure on him is likely gonna beat him. He looks so sluggish on his feet.

The stoppage was too soon, but I don't think Faber was going to make it out of the round.

 

[Warhammer]

Faber, man. He just can't win the big fights.

 

[E-Man]

Faber is just a victim of time. He was the king of the mountain in WEC, and they had the best guys there. By the time the UFC merged the divisions Aldo had already taken over, and Cruz and Barao were his downfalls. He was legitimately the top guy in the world at 145 once, but a select few surpassed him in a way that he can't overcome. It's crazy how great Aldo, Barao, and Cruz are to beat Faber. Urijah is head and shoulders above everyone else, but he just can't take out Barao and Aldo. Cruz' injuries may make it easier if he ever comes back, but I don't know if the finish to that trilogy will ever happen.

 

[Slushy]

Thiago Silva has been fired from UFC after stand off with police following altercation with his wife.

Credit: ESPN.com

 

[Warhammer]

Thiago stays in trouble. Damn.

 

[E-Man]

It's funny how some people are acting like Dana is evil for cutting Thiago. The guy already failed two drug tests and missed weight. The dude was skating on thin ice, and he goes and idiotically threatens to shoot a bunch of people in a BJJ gym. A lot of MMA fans really lose sight of any sort of sound logic when it comes to fighters they like.

 

[Warhammer]

Honestly, Dana White could have cut him long ago. He's lucky White let him stay for that long.