Official UFC Thread - Part 7

[Batmannerism]

I agree with Batmannerism, I think GSP should just stay un-officially retired. Since he vacated the title & stepped back he tore his other ACL, meaning he now has had torn ACL's in both knees which are quite serious injuries. Given that GSP is quite an athletic fighter, anything such as this that could potentially damage his athleticism could make things difficult for him in the cage.

Wow ! I can't remember the last time someone agreed with me.Cool ! t:

Yeah, GSP v Silva is the fight a lot of folks want to see - but both are clearly past their prime, so I don't know if it would live up to expectations.

I mean Chuck Liddell was absolutely great in his day, but towards the end he had some poor showings - because it was time to walk away.

Really, Bisping should think about retiring too - I mean he's 37, and he's just beat Anderson Silva, you couldn't go out on a better note than that !

Randy Couture was the exception, in terms of guys who could fight UFC convincingly in their 40's, but his last fight showed that even he was not immune to aging and the resulting drop in performance, ouch !

So all in all, if I was GSP's management I would advise him to give it a miss (it's been a couple of years now ) diversify his business holdings and investments and become involved with MMA from a trainer/promoter/management level. There are plenty of roles a guy like GSP could do, even within sports in Canada, or just sports in Quebec. I don't think that he has anything to gain by reentering the ring, and a lot to lose.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

The new game is awesome. One of my KOs

http://youtu.be/F_DkiTI7XMQ

 

[I'm Batman.]

Wow ! I can't remember the last time someone agreed with me.Cool ! t:

Yeah, GSP v Silva is the fight a lot of folks want to see - but both are clearly past their prime, so I don't know if it would live up to expectations.

I mean Chuck Liddell was absolutely great in his day, but towards the end he had some poor showings - because it was time to walk away.

Really, Bisping should think about retiring too - I mean he's 37, and he's just beat Anderson Silva, you couldn't go out on a better note than that !

Randy Couture was the exception, in terms of guys who could fight UFC convincingly in their 40's, but his last fight showed that even he was not immune to aging and the resulting drop in performance, ouch !

So all in all, if I was GSP's management I would advise him to give it a miss (it's been a couple of years now ) diversify his business holdings and investments and become involved with MMA from a trainer/promoter/management level. There are plenty of roles a guy like GSP could do, even within sports in Canada, or just sports in Quebec. I don't think that he has anything to gain by reentering the ring, and a lot to lose.

Plus, if he returns who knows for how long. I just don't see GSP coming back for anything more than a fight or two. So, if I were UFC, I'd refuse anything less than a fight with Lawler or Silva.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Apparently GSP's team has reached out to Nate Diaz. That would be lame.

 

[Warhammer]

GSP has nothing left to prove. He's already one of the greatest ever. Don't come back and possibly "Ken Shamrock" the end of your career.

 

[I'm Batman.]

I feel Anderson and GSP is the only fight to make. Otherwise wish George all the best in his retirement. Love him or hate him. He's still tired out from the sport, and in order to return, he'd need to feel the passion to fight once again. MMA isn't a game it's dangerous. If he gets the urge to prove that he's the best in the world again and not to prove it to anyone but himself, and if he feels that he can put on a good show for the fans then he may return.

 

[Logan0327]

WHY????????? this makes no sense
Conor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz rematch targeted for UFC 200 main event
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/3/1...-diaz-rematch-targeted-for-ufc-200-main-event

 

[B]

WHY????????? this makes no sense
Conor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz rematch targeted for UFC 200 main event
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/3/1...-diaz-rematch-targeted-for-ufc-200-main-event

Hmmm... I call ******** on this one, I call it simply because I think the fight, currently, makes absolutely no sense just as the initial one made no sense for either fighter in terms of rankings/titles.

This story has probably come about I'd imagine because I saw McGregor answering questions for a TMZ guy following him the other day & he asked him would he like a Diaz rematch & he said something along the lines of he'd like that as he felt he was busting Nate up until Diaz caught him with 1 punch.

But as I say, I think a rematch makes no real sense other than McGregor trying to get some revenge on Diaz. The whole point of McGregor moving up to LW originally was the challenge for the LW title, he wasn't moving up for the sake of it. He has Frankie Edgar who is the clear challenger at FW for his title as well as some, I don't know who, believing Jose Aldo has a case for a rematch with McGregor at FW. Either way I think his next fight needs to be at FW to attempt to defend that title.. then after that perhaps a Diaz rematch if they both want it which I'm sure they do financially.

If Diaz vs McGregor 2 does happen at UFC 200, then on the same card Edgar should fight Aldo for the Interim FW title if not the official one as the division is being stalled by McGregor currently.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

One must consider that McGregor might not actually be able to make 145 anymore.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Ugh. If you notice, a lot of these immediate rematches are due to the person who the UFC wanted to win ends up losing so they're like oh we better do a rematch! The UFC apparently broke their record with the Diaz-McGregor fight, 1.5 million buys I heard so either they want to try and replicate that which is dumb, because it won't happen like that a second time around there was so much going into that that you can't replicate. Or it's that they want McGregor to get that win back.

 

[Warhammer]

This rematch isn't worthy of UFC 200. And Dana White knows this too. I can't buy that rumor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If the PPV really did do around 1.5m, how is it not worthy of 200 from a financial POV?

 

[Warhammer]

From a financial standpoint, I can see it even though I wonder if a McGregor/Diaz II fight would draw that again. Maybe.

But I say it's not worthy because we'd have McGregor for two consecutive PPVs not defending his title and fighting outside of that weight class. This is the 200th PPV. It just doesn't make sense to me. I also question it because of what Venom said. Would we even be getting rumors of a rematch if McGregor had won? I doubt it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Of course not. But as I said before, we need to consider the fact that Conor probably has a lot of trouble making 145. Just look at his weigh-in pics. Like night and day.

They probably don't want to say it right now because they don't want him to not have a belt. But I can totally see him being done with 145. He was never really a 145 anyways.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not surprised. McGregor looked horrible at UFC 194. I thought he was full of **** when he said he would go up to fight for the 155 title and still defend the belt at 145. I had a feeling if he did that we'd never see him at 145 again.

FYI,

I LOVE MARK HUNT! He had a great line at the press conference about the walk away knockout of Mir:

"I looked down at Frank. He was in the Dark Lands, so I left him there."

Hunt is like a character out of a Mad Max movie.

Also, freaking Neil Magny! I love Magny, and I knew if he could survive Lombard's early onslaught, he could win. Lombard has horrible cardio and carries around way too much muscle. Magny is a freaking contender now.

 

[Warhammer]

:wow

That McGregor picture truly is like night and day. You're right, Darth. He won't be going back down to 145. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that going to 145 is not healthy for him at all and would hinder him. He looks fantastic and healthy at his current weight.

And I died on YouTube when somebody called Mir "Frank Beer."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Frank Beer is fantastic.

 

[B]

Of course not. But as I said before, we need to consider the fact that Conor probably has a lot of trouble making 145. Just look at his weigh-in pics. Like night and day.

You need to keep in mind though, one of those pictures has him at FW cutting about 20-25lbs or so to make weight & the other is him at WW in which he essentially would be eating to keep the weight on.

Apparently from what I've read he usually walks around at 170lbs give or take a few pounds either side of that, I've also read that Jose Aldo supposedly walks around at just under 170lbs so say 168lbs or so & supposedly has a hard time making 145lbs as well.

Weight cuts aren't easy for any fighter, usually I'd say cutting anything more than about 15lbs & things start to get quite intense & difficult, just look at Rumble when he was fighting at 170lbs, he was easily cutting about 40lbs to make weight hense why he has so many failures & bad performances at 170lbs.

They probably don't want to say it right now because they don't want him to not have a belt. But I can totally see him being done with 145. He was never really a 145 anyways.

I've seen this a few other places as well people saying he isn't really a FW, for me he's either a FW or LW, for sure he isn't a WW & until he actually has a problem where he fails to make FW I'd say he's about as much FW as he is LW.

 

[TheVileOne]

http://411mania.com/mma/new-york-assembly-votes-to-legalize-mma/

New York State Assembly passed a bill to lift ban on MMA! Now governor just has to sign it to go into law!

 

[I'm Batman.]

It's the UFC trying to rewrite history. If McGregor wins, the loss to Diaz never happened. Then they can get back on track with pushing McGregor to the moon. That's why they wanted to do Velasquez vs. Werdum II, because Werdum wasn't supposed to win. I think there was some mystique about the whole thing, and now there's no mystique. Just a bunch of excuses is all it will come across as. McGregor hasn't fought at 170 before, McGregor didn't have a full training camp to prepare for Diaz even though he made it clear he didn't need one and was always ready for any challenge. His arrogance and confidence puts him in a situation where he'll come across as someone who the UFC is spoiling like a child. He did well in that first round...but he still lost. The rematch is pointless, even from a financial point of view. They're going to headline UFC 200 with a fight that made a ton of money, but has no real appeal. Who's going "Oh yeah, man, can't wait to see this immediate rematch between these two, it'll be better than the last time!" Again what's the draw? And how long is Edgar going to have to wait for that title shot? If they don't strip McGregor when will this fight happen? December? There's an agenda here. The UFC want McGregor to get that win back they'll then grant him a shot at the 155 belt for winning a fight at 170 against someone who has only fought there once in the last five years. That's like granting Dos Anjos a title shot against Lawler for beating Bisping at 185. If McGregor loses again then what? I don't know, just not feeling the rematch.

 

[Warhammer]

It's the UFC trying to rewrite history. If McGregor wins, the loss to Diaz never happened. Then they can get back on track with pushing McGregor to the moon. That's why they wanted to do Velasquez vs. Werdum II, because Werdum wasn't supposed to win. I think there was some mystique about the whole thing, and now there's no mystique. Just a bunch of excuses is all it will come across as. McGregor hasn't fought at 170 before, McGregor didn't have a full training camp to prepare for Diaz even though he made it clear he didn't need one and was always ready for any challenge. His arrogance and confidence puts him in a situation where he'll come across as someone who the UFC is spoiling like a child. He did well in that first round...but he still lost. The rematch is pointless, even from a financial point of view. They're going to headline UFC 200 with a fight that made a ton of money, but has no real appeal. Who's going "Oh yeah, man, can't wait to see this immediate rematch between these two, it'll be better than the last time!" Again what's the draw? And how long is Edgar going to have to wait for that title shot? If they don't strip McGregor when will this fight happen? December? There's an agenda here. The UFC want McGregor to get that win back they'll then grant him a shot at the 155 belt for winning a fight at 170 against someone who has only fought there once in the last five years. That's like granting Dos Anjos a title shot against Lawler for beating Bisping at 185. If McGregor loses again then what? I don't know, just not feeling the rematch.

 

[TheVileOne]

Who cares? MMA can finally be held in New York now.

 

[B]

The first event they put on there will be a stacked card.

 

[Trufflebutter]

The sad thing is the UFC has been so biased in favour of grapplers until recently, hell the original UFC was just set up to hype Jiu Jitsu. Then we had American wrestlers and lay and pray pretending they were Martial artists. We need some quality strikers, and I don't mean past their prime K1 champions or James Toney! That's why if Mcgregor had lived up to his self-promotion it could have been so interesting. That's why he is such a big draw, people want "knockouts" not "rolling" and "takedowns".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You need to keep in mind though, one of those pictures has him at FW cutting about 20-25lbs or so to make weight & the other is him at WW in which he essentially would be eating to keep the weight on.

Apparently from what I've read he usually walks around at 170lbs give or take a few pounds either side of that, I've also read that Jose Aldo supposedly walks around at just under 170lbs so say 168lbs or so & supposedly has a hard time making 145lbs as well.

Weight cuts aren't easy for any fighter, usually I'd say cutting anything more than about 15lbs & things start to get quite intense & difficult, just look at Rumble when he was fighting at 170lbs, he was easily cutting about 40lbs to make weight hense why he has so many failures & bad performances at 170lbs.



I've seen this a few other places as well people saying he isn't really a FW, for me he's either a FW or LW, for sure he isn't a WW & until he actually has a problem where he fails to make FW I'd say he's about as much FW as he is LW.

A lot of fighters say that when you fight at a different weight for whatever reason, it changes things. Going through your prep, not cutting, and then fighting changes you. You saw it with Roy Jones, and wrestlers live by it. For what it is worth, I think Conor is a natural 155 guy, and Nate is a big 155. One of Conor's major advantage is his size at 145. He loses that at 155, which is why I don't think they want him to move up, but he may have to.

When you cut that much weight, you are usually more nature guy at the next weight. Frankie Edgar is a good example of a guy who didn't cut nearly anything to fight at LW, so he had to move down. Conor is the opposite.