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[DaveMoral]

Rogers is outta shape, doughy, and he's never looked like he had much heart.

Werdum was boring, as a result so was Overeem. I would have liked to see Overeem get to that point in the fight where he usually really tees off, but it just wasn't happening. Especially with Werdum taking as many breathers as he was. Nice to see that kid gassed though.

Masvidal v Noons was definitely fight of the night. Noons is always fun to watch and despite having been out classed there it was a good show. That dude's got a lot of heart, never gave up even with his blood flowing in his eyes.

We'll see what happens with Bigfoot and the Reem. I hope they don't end up stretching the training camp out to 4 months. That's probably at least part of why Overeem v Werdum looked like it did. Too much time in training camp.

 

[TheVileOne]

Overeem still looks overrated to me after tonight. I think JDS or Cain would smoke him in the UFC.

 

[DaveMoral]

I think Overeem is anything but overrated. That dude's stand up is no joke. His K-1 fights are fantastic, all of his other MMA bouts I've seen have been great.

 

[TheVileOne]

He got outstriked by Werdum in the third round. Didn't look like some amazing striker tonight. K-1 level doesn't mean jack **** in a MMA fight IMHO.

Junior dos Santos isn't K-1 level but he still KTFO'ed Werdum in less than two minutes.

 

[Paroxysm]

Reem could tango with JDS and Cain. Fights could go either way. Still be great to see.

 

[B]

Rogers is outta shape, doughy, and he's never looked like he had much heart.

I've said this in the build up to his fight with Fedor when people tried to proclaim Brett Rogers was one of MMA's best heavyweights & I still say it now: Brett Rogers is a glorified Kimbo Slice. He is barely better as well. He has no heart, no ground game, is fat & has crap conditioning. He will never beat anyone in MMA that has an ounce of standup or grappling skill about them.

Werdum was boring, as a result so was Overeem. I would have liked to see Overeem get to that point in the fight where he usually really tees off, but it just wasn't happening. Especially with Werdum taking as many breathers as he was. Nice to see that kid gassed though.

Was one of the worst fights I can remember seeing in Strikeforce, Werdum "fought" like a complete *****, if you want the fight to the ground you need to take it to the ground. Overeem did exactly what anyone with a braincell would have done & repeatedly made him stand back up for his ****e takedown attempts & baiting attempts trying to lure Overeem into his guard.

The story is that Werdum still sucks & it is an embarassment that he managed to end Fedor's winning streak & that Overeem is still overrated.

His striking didn't even look that good last night & that is his main area of expertise, he was standing head on with Werdum taking alot of shots.. had he done this against someone with abit of power in their shots he'd have ended up taking a pounding... AND his conditioning looked terrible, really terrible when you consider all he really did was stuff Werdum's takedown attempts, he hardly seemed to throw in the fight it seemed.

 

[Bubonic]

Continuously stuffing attempts and being forced into defensive mode at all times can be surprisingly exhausting.

Some might say that at that level conditioning should be absolutely perfect but these guys still don't seem to be making that much money overall, most need to work real jobs as well.

 

[E-Man]

The issue with Overeem and cardio would rear its head at a bad moment against a much stronger guy with better cardio. Lucky for him most heavies but Cain and possibly Brock have terrible cardio.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I think Overeem is anything but overrated. That dude's stand up is no joke. His K-1 fights are fantastic, all of his other MMA bouts I've seen have been great.

Yeah some people just don't know though.

His fights with Badr Hari are number 1. He's definately no joke, but if someone consistently falls to their back when you begin striking, it is hard to look good. I believe K1 actually does mean something, it is no different than being a top boxer or must Thai fighter and transitioning to mma, but to say it doesn't mean anything when kickboxing is a staple part of the sport is absurd.

I would question Brock's cardio, he doesn't tire himself out, because he doesn't put everything into his punches, his hammerfists are laughable, if he would cock his arm all the way back then he would have more power in his ground and pound, but also he would tire faster.

 

[B]

Yeah some people just don't know though.

His fights with Badr Hari are number 1. He's definately no joke, but if someone consistently falls to their back when you begin striking, it is hard to look good. I believe K1 actually does mean something, it is no different than being a top boxer or must Thai fighter and transitioning to mma, but to say it doesn't mean anything when kickboxing is a staple part of the sport is absurd.

I mainly think hes overrated for the same reason I feel Fedor was overrated in recent years. Go look at Overeem's MMA record. Hes what, on a 10 fight winning streak, give or take. Now look at the names of the people he has beaten during this 10 fight win streak, heck go one step further & look at the records of the guys when they fought the 'G.O.A.T.' according to some, Overeem. You've got a who's who list of nobodies & people coming in to fight Overeem on 2/3 fight losing streaks..

Even if Overeem wins the Strikeforce HW tournament, I still don't think he is any better a mixed martial artist than Cheick Kongo at this point. I mean Werdum got TKO'd by Junior Dos Santos after a minute & I don't value his win over Fedor as highly as he & the MMA world seems to, I had said for years that Fedor hadn't been fighting the top guys since his Pride days.

I actually hope Overeem does win the Strikeforce tournament, It would be interesting to see Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir fight Overeem in a no 1 contenders match to face winner of Dos Santos/Velasquez.

I would question Brock's cardio, he doesn't tire himself out, because he doesn't put everything into his punches, his hammerfists are laughable, if he would cock his arm all the way back then he would have more power in his ground and pound, but also he would tire faster.

I always smile at this one.

You should tell that to Frank Mir's hamburger face or Couture, neither of those guys seemed to think they were funny.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Overeem/Verdum was almost as bad as Silva/Laites

 

[TheVileOne]

I think JDS would pick Overeem apart. He's a much better striker and he actually throws straight punches. Wouldn't kill Overeem to try throwing some jabs.

 

[Paroxysm]

I still have Josh Barnett winning the tourney

 

[E-Man]

I'm till not sold on Barnett just yet. I think he's got a good arsenal, but he really hasn't fought anyone worth a damn in years since he lost to Nog. I'm thinking the same thing with Sergei too. He beat Arlovski after looking like he's lost it, and Arlovski isn't a win to be proud of since he hasn't won a fight in almost three years. I think Barnett will take out Sergei since he's a better grappler, but I think his striking isn't enough to beat Overeem while Bigfoot's size would probably cause problems for him. Then again both of those guys have big holes in their game too, so Barnett could exploit them. Overeem has bad cardio while Bigfoot is very slow. Maybe Barnett does walk away with it, but there is always the question of if he could pass a drug test.

 

[brainchild81]

Sergei FTW

 

[misjuevos]

sup, people never even thought a section would be here about mma, the name i hope isn't just about ufc as i see you discussing SF. ill throw out a long post since im just getting into the thread here and would like to see where you guys stand.

only thing i want to see from overeem is his wrestling against a good american wrestler. dutch or most european fighters are really lacking in a takedown defense against american wrestlers. sure reem stuffed werdum but his wrestling is bad and his takedowns were very bad as well in this fight.

as far as the last 2 fights with jds i am still not sold on him, he just seems overrated at this point. couldnt finish a gassed out nelson and now couldn't finish carwin.

as far as boring, i thought the carwin/jds fight was boring and they were atleast engaging each other. the overeem/werdum fight was just funny to watch. werdum was so scared of overeem he just wanted to go to ground. as those "c'mon, come to ground" from werdum were so dumb. if you want it on the ground you have to get it there, not beg your opponent. i am really disappointed in this guy after that performance. i still like overeem.

 

[E-Man]

I can't wait to see the Faber and Cruz rematch next week. Cruz's style is just so awesome to watch, and the animosity between he and Urijah could make for some funny ass moments in the fight. Should be a really good fight.

There is also Wanderlei vs. Leben. Oh hell yeah that fight is going to be grand.

 

[Paroxysm]

the overeem/werdum fight was just funny to watch. werdum was so scared of overeem he just wanted to go to ground. as those "c'mon, come to ground" from werdum were so dumb. if you want it on the ground you have to get it there, not beg your opponent. i am really disappointed in this guy after that performance. i still like overeem.

Yeah I thought the same thing.

 

[DaveMoral]

He got outstriked by Werdum in the third round. Didn't look like some amazing striker tonight. K-1 level doesn't mean jack **** in a MMA fight IMHO.

Junior dos Santos isn't K-1 level but he still KTFO'ed Werdum in less than two minutes.

Overeem dominated K1 after bashing his way through Strikeforce. Have you even watched those fights? The guy was nearly getting himself into violations all the time because he'd do two-handed clinches and that's illegal in K1.

His K1 performance means a ton, considering that there are arguably more skilled strikers that he beat there. He could stand to throw some jabs, most MMA strikers could, and he was eating jabs like crazy in K1. The guy is a beast with a chin of steel, he eats that **** up, it doesn't faze him and he just walks in a mauls his opponents.

I don't know what Overeem's deal was against Werdum, no idea why he didn't just tee off on the guy. It's organized fighting though, so really who knows what kind of double dealing is going on behind the scenes. As far as I'm concerned Overeem shouldn't even be in this Grand Prix considering the big prize is a title shot against him. I could say I suspect there's an aspect of him playing it restrained because #1, there's nothing at stake for him in this tourney and #2 they want to build up his contenders.

Werdum was the real weak link in that fight, and there should be repercussions for that garbage. Lose some of his purse or something. He didn't earn anything that night.

 

[Paroxysm]

Werdum was the real weak link in that fight, and there should be repercussions for that garbage. Lose some of his purse or something. He didn't earn anything that night.

Expect the praise of the lord.

 

[Paroxysm]

Dana White Fires Nate Marquardt from the UFC ahead of UFC On Versus 4

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[El Bastardo]

Holy ****.

 

[E-Man]

Huge surprise tere with Nate getting cut. It's gotta be something serious like him on some sort of drugs. He's been busted for PEDs before, and that doesn't seem like the thing that would get him instantly cut the night before an event. I'm very curious as to what it is because I liked Nate.

 

[DaveMoral]

Crazy.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Are you folks serious?

Overeem was NOT outstruck by Werdum per se. Alistair let Fabricio come in. Werdum was just looking to set the takedown and Overeem sniffed it out. Furthermore, Alistair has fought Werdum before, he knows Fabricio has below average knock out power.

Overeem gassed himself out by going for too many power shots, and stuffing the takedowns.

Hey noobs, you do realize that Werdum actually has a stable chin right? He's only been knocked out by Junior Dos Santos in his entire MMA career. Not only did he take some nasty shots from Overeem but from other powerful strikers like Kharitonov, Emelianenko, Gonzaga, Arlovski and Silva in the past.