Official UFC Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Great job between Brennerman and Story, but funny to see the crowds hypocrisy.
The ref pandered to the hometown hero, but he did deserve the win. Just saying though, had it any other pair of fighters they'd of booed the wrestling.

Yes yes, I'm Mr. Late to the party.
 
It's starting to get mundane with the crowds.

Most of the American base at the UFC events are clueless violent drunks wishing for bloodshed. Hell, most of them think the sport is called 'UFC' (which oddly enough this thread is labeled under, instead of 'MMA').

I miss the PRIDE events...
 
VIVE LA FRANCE!!!
Holy jumping jellybeans, well that's one for the good graces of the French! :woot:

Dan is the man, such a good eye on him, wow, just wow.
J'suis complètement émerveiller!

It's starting to get mundane with the crowds.

Most of the American base at the UFC events are clueless violent drunks wishing for bloodshed. Hell, most of them think the sport is called 'UFC' (which oddly enough this thread is labeled under, instead of 'MMA').

I miss the PRIDE events...

Pride was a nasty division, soccer kicks are a bit much!

Also I obviously agree with you, the crowds are completely uneducated when it comes to mma. I **** myself laughing anytime someone asks me if I train UFC.

Honestly the thread should be changed but there is no denying that there's no organization that seems to come close to it in terms of quality at the moment. I can't even be bothered to remember last weeks Strikeforce after this sublime card.
 
Really nice little war between Brown and Howard, continuous scramble, a really dynamic fight... Really hate the inbred ******s in the crowd, how can we be in 2011 and still have crowds this ignorant about mma?

They don't recognize the sweet reversals, transitions and takedowns and takedown defence, as soon as there is a 5 second pause in action they're booing, or even when there is some legitimate ground work happening they are booing... Wish they could get a brick in their collective faces, really no better than Roman times, bunch of ignorant bloodthirsty idiots.

It's starting to get mundane with the crowds.

Most of the American base at the UFC events are clueless violent drunks wishing for bloodshed. Hell, most of them think the sport is called 'UFC' (which oddly enough this thread is labeled under, instead of 'MMA').

I miss the PRIDE events...

I think that is changing day by day, though. Many more fans NOW know more about the sport than the fans of just 3-4 years ago, in my opinion.

UFC is obviously the most recognized because of their marketing/advertising/etc.
 
I think that is changing day by day, though. Many more fans NOW know more about the sport than the fans of just 3-4 years ago, in my opinion.

UFC is obviously the most recognized because of their marketing/advertising/etc.

As someone who started off watching bootlegged RINGS vhs tapes over a decade ago, the fanbase of today is pretty well clueless about the history of the sport which is critical to understanding the sport today. MMA in the mainstream has plauteaued quite a bit over the past few years and so the mainstream fans are more aware of the mechanics of mixed fights, but they are still so ignorant, and you know that's okay. I don't expect to get quality coverage of Wimbledon from the columnists on Around the Horn. I don't expect the average MMA fan to know who Takada or Rikidozan are, much less Akira Maeda or Ad Santel. I don't even expect them to be familar with Rorion Gracie or Bob Meyrowitz.

The gist of my comment here is that there existed a time when there were only hardcore fans and decent, meaningful conversations happened. You actually learned something by communicating with other fans. These were the days when people would orgasm when susumu would upload pics from events in Japan. It's not that I miss PRIDE and things like Rickson and Royler doing a GJJ demo in the middle of an event, or the unified rules before Larry Hazzard's eyes were stained by Gan McGee, or the days when the Shooto welterweight division was the greatest thing in the world, I just miss the exclusivity of the sport. Random people talk about it now and I honestly don't want to talk about it with them. It's impossible to have a fulfilling conversation with the modern fan because they are so loud and without analytical skills as it relates to MMA.

The sad thing is that the original fans have largely disappeared from the online community or vanished in the influx of new fans. They're either quiet spectators now or they have left the product they were addicted to.
 
To me the worst fans of MMA are the elitist hardcores that whine about everything. The most vocal idiots are the ones claiming that they have been watching since UFC 1, and that they understand and respect the sport and all that noise. What's funny about these types are that they always complain about fans booing when it goes to the ground, but they constantly bash Fitch, GSP, Rashad, Maynard, and any other North American with a good wrestling base for taking the fight to the ground. Casual fans can be some drunken idiots, but at least a lot of them pay to support MMA. For all the talk about how great PRIDE's fans being great they sure did abandon the sport like it was a fad. Hardcores just complain about everything and talk about what's bad for the sport. They then use illegal streams instead of buying anything. I hate hypocrites like that.
 
To me the worst fans of MMA are the elitist hardcores that whine about everything. The most vocal idiots are the ones claiming that they have been watching since UFC 1, and that they understand and respect the sport and all that noise. What's funny about these types are that they always complain about fans booing when it goes to the ground, but they constantly bash Fitch, GSP, Rashad, Maynard, and any other North American with a good wrestling base for taking the fight to the ground. Casual fans can be some drunken idiots, but at least a lot of them pay to support MMA. For all the talk about how great PRIDE's fans being great they sure did abandon the sport like it was a fad. Hardcores just complain about everything and talk about what's bad for the sport. They then use illegal streams instead of buying anything. I hate hypocrites like that.


Are you kidding me? Fighters are viewed as Gods and treated like Rock Stars in Japan.

The fans didn't abandon the sport, PRIDE management destroyed themselves from within. It's a shame too considering PRIDE had the most exciting bouts in MMA history.
 
I agree, the soccer kicks were vicious but it kept a certain balance in the system.

While I am a fan of GSP and Fitch, they depend on grinding out a decision rather than finishing a fight (taking risks). Soccer kicks, Stomps, Yellow Cards, etc are desperately needed again... yet, we're then left in an era where fighters shrug off TDD once more.

Personally, I would bring back the Yellow Card to keep the balance. Western MMA is filled with Wrestlers, and alot of them are one-dimensional.
 
Last edited:
Well, in my experience, the guys I watch with and talk to about the UFC fights (again, because they have the biggest broadcasts and all) seem to have some idea about what is going on in a match and aren't just looking for bloodshed as was stated before.

I have some martial arts background and when I started BJJ, it really opened my eyes and made me appreciate the chess game that happens on the ground. And that is what I meant by my statement. Many of these fans (again, in my experience) have begun to educate themselves (and/or train) about the sport and the various arts that are used in most matches. Thus, a greater understanding and appreciation of MMA.

I'm not saying there aren't guys who want a bloody slugfest everytime. But I really think that those numbers have dwindled some.
 
Last edited:
Reposting this because it got bumped shortly after I posted it:

Hey guys, I thought you may be interested in this article about what the author is calling a 9 year prime career by most MMA fighters:
http://www.fightopinion.com/2011/06/...-rule-mma-ufc/


Also, what are the hopes and predicitions for this coming weekend's UFC event (UFC 132, July 2)?

fight card:
Cruz vs Faber
Silva vs Leben

Ortiz vs Bader

Condit vs Kim

Siver vs Wiman

Guillard vs Roller

Sotiropoulos vs Dos Anjos

Bowles vs Mizugaki

Tavares vs Simpson

Njokuani vs Winner

Hougland vs Walker
 
Are you kidding me? Fighters are viewed as Gods and treated like Rock Stars in Japan.

The fans didn't abandon the sport, PRIDE management destroyed themselves from within. It's a shame too considering PRIDE had the most exciting bouts in MMA history.

Why haven't the fans backed DREAM and Sengoku then? Part of it is poor management, but it seems that MMA was a fad there in Japan. PRIDE was so popular that there should have at least been some momentum there to help other orgs out. All that's really left is DEEP and Shooto, and they're not getting much love there right now either.
 
I think PRIDE went under because of shady dealings and associations with Yakuza. That did some serious damage to MMA’s image in Japan and now in the last 10 years, Japan’s economy isn't very good and that means that the sponsors have all but disappeared. They have no money to throw around like they used to.

It's a shame and money issue.
 
That's like asking why the US fans do not back organizations like Bellator alot more. The smaller organizations don't do well, even in Japan. DREAM had it's moments but it failed to capture the attention of fans due to depth and marketing issues.

Before FEG fell into deep financial problems, K-1 was also very popular in Japan. Fighters like Overeem, Hari, Aerts, etc were featured on billboards and stopped on the streets for autographs.
 
Like Paroxysm also pointed out, another huge reason why MMA is a lost sport in that country is due to the corrupt image it maintains.
 
Yeah I know the Yakuza had a lot to do with PRIDE folding. DREAM seemed to have some good backing with FEG, but considering how they're doing I can see why they're on the verge of collapsing. My point still is that Japanese fans aren't too different from North American and European fans in terms of knowledge and support. They're just a lot more respectful because of the different culture. I really can't recall them booing anyone except Akiyama. lol
 
For all the talk about how great PRIDE's fans being great they sure did abandon the sport like it was a fad. Hardcores just complain about everything and talk about what's bad for the sport. They then use illegal streams instead of buying anything. I hate hypocrites like that.

-I don't think most or even a sizable minority are drunken idiots. They just aren't knowledgable about the sport. Hence them being "casual" fans. They are smart people, people I work with, people I associate with, they just can't have an intelligible conversation about MMA. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just a barbarian sport.

-Most of these PRIDE fanboys are guys that got started watching UFC when TUF was slotted behind RAW, then they started watching PRIDE clip shows on FSN. Viola the PRIDE fanboys are born. These fans still watch UFC, complain about it, and talk about the glory of PRIDE or whatever. They'll still be talking about it ten years from now because nostalgia only grows stronger. Of course, nostalgia is a history that isn't true, but that's irrelevant when emotions are involved.

-Of course mma was a fad in Japan. Started with Funaki/Rickson and ended when Fuji pulled the plug on DSE after the Shukin Gendai series. No new ground being broken here. Now for the North American Pride fans, see the bullet above.

-I have no personal animosity toward any wrestler. That'd be silly. I have a problem with scoring. If your inactive on top and the guy on bottom is working and scoring, then he should win the round. Being on top or on bottom, in and of itself, is not scoring.
 
Last edited:
When you really get down to it though, most casual fans aren't that knowledgeable about the sports they watch. I'm a huge football fan, and a lot of fans just watch it and don't know much besides the big hits and touchdowns. Nothing wrong with that. We're all casual fans of something. With MMA there is a vocal minority that has this wanna be macho mentality to it. I just laugh or ignore those guys, but the so called hardcores irk me because there are so many blatant lies told in hipster fashion.

And of course you wouldn't have a problem with wrestlers. Your screen name is Sakuraba. :o
 
Hardcore fans need to get over the UFC hate. UFC is driving the sport and making it important. It is not UFC's fault when competition goes under and these fly by night rinky dink promotions go under. It is not UFC's job to create competition. Strikeforce wouldn't have even been promoting MMA if not for UFC.
 
The funniest thing about zuffa buying out pride is they helped to fund the creation of dream. Best part of dream and strikeforce was the crossover fights. We got to see the 2 organizations fight each other.
 
Well DREAM is a ****** organization considering they've not paid all of their fighters.

Also the crossover fights weren't very good: IE Nick Diaz vs. Hayato Sakurai.

Also it was pretty lame that Scott Coker once basically said he has no problem with co-promoting and yet he refused to co-promote with Bellator. Gilbert Melendez/Eddie Alvarez could've been a big fight for both organizations but Coker sat on his hands over it. Seemed to be threatened by the idea of co-promoting with Bellator for whatever reason.
 
2 questions/comments:

Why the **** am I reading stories about Nate Marquardt having AID's.. I don't know if that is accurate, however I am reading stories that the reason Nate was fired & Dana White was disguisted with him was the fact that he withheld information right up until the day before the event about some disease he knew he was carrying, supposedly a treatable illness (or one that you can be cleared to fight with during treatment).. if Nate does have AID's or indeed any disease, that is pretty ****ed up that he would withold such information considering the potential for contracting the disease through a fight through blood.

Jon Jones is gonna fight Rampage at UFC 135 for those that didn't know, also Rashad Evans made a few comments on Twitter stating he'd be willing to temporarily put any differences with Rampage to one side & help him train to beat Jones..
 
As someone who started off watching bootlegged RINGS vhs tapes over a decade ago, the fanbase of today is pretty well clueless about the history of the sport which is critical to understanding the sport today. MMA in the mainstream has plauteaued quite a bit over the past few years and so the mainstream fans are more aware of the mechanics of mixed fights, but they are still so ignorant, and you know that's okay. I don't expect to get quality coverage of Wimbledon from the columnists on Around the Horn. I don't expect the average MMA fan to know who Takada or Rikidozan are, much less Akira Maeda or Ad Santel. I don't even expect them to be familar with Rorion Gracie or Bob Meyrowitz.

The gist of my comment here is that there existed a time when there were only hardcore fans and decent, meaningful conversations happened. You actually learned something by communicating with other fans. These were the days when people would orgasm when susumu would upload pics from events in Japan. It's not that I miss PRIDE and things like Rickson and Royler doing a GJJ demo in the middle of an event, or the unified rules before Larry Hazzard's eyes were stained by Gan McGee, or the days when the Shooto welterweight division was the greatest thing in the world, I just miss the exclusivity of the sport. Random people talk about it now and I honestly don't want to talk about it with them. It's impossible to have a fulfilling conversation with the modern fan because they are so loud and without analytical skills as it relates to MMA.

The sad thing is that the original fans have largely disappeared from the online community or vanished in the influx of new fans. They're either quiet spectators now or they have left the product they were addicted to.

Well said. When UFC began, it's viewership was almost exclusively composed of people engaged in MA, boxing, or wrestling. It was thrilling to see styles clash as so many of us had spent years dreaming of diverse fighters/fighting styles having a competitive venue. If you were a fan back then, it was because you already loved the nature of combat sports.

I'm glad with UFC has grown. I don't bemoan kids wearing tapout gear even though most of them have probably never thrown a crossface in their lives. What I don't like is the influx of the type of fan that plagues all sports: dumb, incessantly loud, drunk. That type of fan has always made me wary of live sporting events, even though I'm passionate about several sports.:csad:
 
2 questions/comments:

Why the **** am I reading stories about Nate Marquardt having AID's.. I don't know if that is accurate, however I am reading stories that the reason Nate was fired & Dana White was disguisted with him was the fact that he withheld information right up until the day before the event about some disease he knew he was carrying, supposedly a treatable illness (or one that you can be cleared to fight with during treatment).. if Nate does have AID's or indeed any disease, that is pretty ****ed up that he would withold such information considering the potential for contracting the disease through a fight through blood.

Jon Jones is gonna fight Rampage at UFC 135 for those that didn't know, also Rashad Evans made a few comments on Twitter stating he'd be willing to temporarily put any differences with Rampage to one side & help him train to beat Jones..
It's been stated by both the PennState Athletic Commission and Dana that all of them were in the know regarding whatever was preventing Nate from clearing his medicals for six weeks prior to the date he needed clearance. The spokesperson for the AC also stated that everyone assumed Nate would get cleared with time to spare. So I don't see how Nate could have hidden anything until right before, and it's obviously not AIDS.

Nate's supposed to give information sometime today. I wouldn't believe anything until then, though I also might not believe what he says until Dana or the AC confirm it.
 
And of course you wouldn't have a problem with wrestlers. Your screen name is Sakuraba. :o

In terms of MMA though, he's not an amateur wrestler/amateur style in the sense you were talking. He has legitimate lineage in Lancashire catch-as-catch-can. Sakuraba < Takada < Inoki < Karl Gotch < Billy Riley < Lancashire mats.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Staff online

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
202,279
Messages
22,079,014
Members
45,880
Latest member
Heartbeat
Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"