Official UFC Thread

[mrvlknight21]

2 questions/comments:

Why the **** am I reading stories about Nate Marquardt having AID's.. I don't know if that is accurate, however I am reading stories that the reason Nate was fired & Dana White was disguisted with him was the fact that he withheld information right up until the day before the event about some disease he knew he was carrying, supposedly a treatable illness (or one that you can be cleared to fight with during treatment).. if Nate does have AID's or indeed any disease, that is pretty ****ed up that he would withold such information considering the potential for contracting the disease through a fight through blood.

Jon Jones is gonna fight Rampage at UFC 135 for those that didn't know, also Rashad Evans made a few comments on Twitter stating he'd be willing to temporarily put any differences with Rampage to one side & help him train to beat Jones..

Wow. I had heard debate about what NM might have, but many kept saying it was drug related and not a disease.

Also, Jon Jones is going to hurt Rampage's feelings if they fight.

Well said. When UFC began, it's viewership was almost exclusively composed of people engaged in MA, boxing, or wrestling. It was thrilling to see styles clash as so many of us had spent years dreaming of diverse fighters/fighting styles having a competitive venue. If you were a fan back then, it was because you already loved the nature of combat sports.

I'm glad with UFC has grown. I don't bemoan kids wearing tapout gear even though most of them have probably never thrown a crossface in their lives. What I don't like is the influx of the type of fan that plagues all sports: dumb, incessantly loud, drunk. That type of fan has always made me wary of live sporting events, even though I'm passionate about several sports.

I agree with this.

 

[El Bastardo]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/24189/nat...ement-therapy-for-ufc-on-versus-4-scratch.mma

 

[TheVileOne]

I call BS. It doesn't take six weeks to show perscription or permission from the doctor.

This sounds like Anthony "I GOT HACKED" Weiner.

 

[E-Man]

I only caught the last part of the MMA Hour where Nate and I guess it a man who is his manager were talking to Ariel Helwani about the situation. All I saw was them talking about how Nate is sorry and how his career would move forward and all. I don't buy the hormone replacement theory though. For him to get cut like this means that there is probably something deeper. If it was Dana overreacting then I'm sure Lorenzo would have jumped in and resigned Nate by now like he did with the AKA camp.

In other good(but old) news Hioki signed with the UFC over the weekend. The featherweights are getting more and more exciting.

 

[El Bastardo]

I call BS. It doesn't take six weeks to show perscription or permission from the doctor.

This sounds like Anthony "I GOT HACKED" Weiner.

Six weeks to get his testosterone within reasonable levels if it was too high, could be, and he didn't.

 

[TheVileOne]

But is that what it is? Did PSAC know he had permission to use this?

OK here is the deal. Fighters using this thing, OK. Do they really need it? And if they do, shouldn't it just bring them back up to normal levels? Can't a doctor warn the commission that it might make it higher?

Just very suspicious to me.

Now to play devil's advocate, I think I've read in articles that Dan Henderson and Randy Couture have also used this treatment.

 

[El Bastardo]

Oh, I agree. I'm waiting to see if PSAC or Dana pop up to either confirm his explanation, or suggest he's not telling the whole truth.

In the event he is, then yeah, curious as to what did it. But no, it seems that just because a doctor has prescribed something doesn't mean an athletic commission will allow it to bypass their regulations. Makes sense, else fighters could potentially get 'scrips for anything a doctor's willing to prescribe.

 

[Kane52630]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=357893
funny.

 

[DaveMoral]

I agree, the soccer kicks were vicious but it kept a certain balance in the system.

While I am a fan of GSP and Fitch, they depend on grinding out a decision rather than finishing a fight (taking risks). Soccer kicks, Stomps, Yellow Cards, etc are desperately needed again... yet, we're then left in an era where fighters shrug off TDD once more.

Personally, I would bring back the Yellow Card to keep the balance. Western MMA is filled with Wrestlers, and alot of them are one-dimensional.

To be honest, having just watched a few Art of War clips from China... I hope the quality of their MMA and fighters rises and they keep their current rules. You don't see stomps to guys trying to pull guard in UFC or Strikeforce, but Art of War has that aplenty.

Imagine what would have happened to Werdum if Overeem were allowed to stomp the **** out of him every time he tried to pull guard and invite Overeem to the ground.

Also, I bemoan kids wearing Tapout gear. In part because they probably haven't done a days worth of martial arts in their lives for the most part. But mostly because I hate the whole juggalo image of Tapout. Absolutely loathe it.

 

[B]

It's been stated by both the PennState Athletic Commission and Dana that all of them were in the know regarding whatever was preventing Nate from clearing his medicals for six weeks prior to the date he needed clearance. The spokesperson for the AC also stated that everyone assumed Nate would get cleared with time to spare. So I don't see how Nate could have hidden anything until right before, and it's obviously not AIDS.

Nate's supposed to give information sometime today. I wouldn't believe anything until then, though I also might not believe what he says until Dana or the AC confirm it.

I see, I wasn't keeping up to date with the situation, this information flew straight over my head. Someone has obviously twisted what was actually said & turned it into a moronic internet rumour. The few blogs I read stated that Nate & his doctor were the only people who knew about what the problem was up to 6 weeks prior to the fight & didn't disclose it correctly.

Obviously this is incorrect seeing as he seems to have conveniently had the same problem as Chael Sonnen that requires steriod treatment..

Couldn't care less anyway to be fair, Kongo/Barry was a better Main Event than Nate/Story would have put on.

 

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, and Brenneman/Story was probably a better fight than Marquardt/Story would have been.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Nate marquadt got caught using steroids, and like all people caught he has an excuse.

Dana was obviously pissed, because not only is it his second time, but Dana put a a lot into hyping this fight. Time and energy, oh yeah and money.

Also I think marquadt would have destroyed story, he is a better wrestler and has better hands.

I hate hype trains, kimbo, Todd duffy, and story, if something sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

Anyways I can't wait for wanderlei silva v. Chris leben, it should be a slug fest, but I think Lebens ultimate destruction will come if he cannot avoid the clinch.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

To be honest, having just watched a few Art of War clips from China... I hope the quality of their MMA and fighters rises and they keep their current rules. You don't see stomps to guys trying to pull guard in UFC or Strikeforce, but Art of War has that aplenty.

Imagine what would have happened to Werdum if Overeem were allowed to stomp the **** out of him every time he tried to pull guard and invite Overeem to the ground.

Also, I bemoan kids wearing Tapout gear. In part because they probably haven't done a days worth of martial arts in their lives for the most part. But mostly because I hate the whole juggalo image of Tapout. Absolutely loathe it.

Western MMA needs stomps and soccers kicks. And the 12-6 elbow ban is a joke as well. The amount of force that a 1-7 elbow delivers is the same amount of that a 12-6 elbow. It's ridiculous.

Exactly, Werdum would have never pulled that stunt.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I have to disagree with your view guys.

Dana acted as if Nate slaughtered an innocent child. Yet, he seems to support a low-life like Chael Sonnen (who lied three times to Dana's and investigator's faces).

There's a thin line between actually having a medical condition which requires TRT, and bringing yourself to that medical condition on purpose - just so you could have TRT. One of the most common reasons for low testosterone levels is dehydration, which can be easily achieved during "sweaty" training, weight cuts, and sauna. So, it looks like Testosterone Replacement Therapy can be easily become a common issue in MMA, especially when fighters know and can bring it back into normal levels before the fight.

Nate began treatment using the "therapeutic use exemption" in his fight against Dan Miller at UFC 128 in New Jersey after his primary physician diagnosed him with low testosterone in August of 2010. Marquardt was advised by his doctor to pursue a new, "more aggressive therapy" three weeks out from his fight against Rick Story. He took a blood test two weeks out from the fight and the levels came back too high. His doctor then told him to get off the treatment.

The weight cut had nothing to do with his decision to resume TRT but Nate believes it could have altered his blood levels, causing the levels to be elevated on the day of the weigh ins (blood "concentration") and significantly decreased the very next day.

 

[misjuevos]

Well DREAM is a ****** organization considering they've not paid all of their fighters.

Also the crossover fights weren't very good: IE Nick Diaz vs. Hayato Sakurai.

Also it was pretty lame that Scott Coker once basically said he has no problem with co-promoting and yet he refused to co-promote with Bellator. Gilbert Melendez/Eddie Alvarez could've been a big fight for both organizations but Coker sat on his hands over it. Seemed to be threatened by the idea of co-promoting with Bellator for whatever reason.

I enjoyed the dream/sf matches. Also why would coker co promote with bellator when he could just send Gilbert to dream to fight Eddie. he is already in a business relationship with dream and Eddie also fights for dream. Why bother with Bellator when the guy you want is already in your business associates organization. This way it Wouldnt be a title fight for either.

 

[TheVileOne]

Alvarez hasn't fought in DREAM in 3 years and isn't going to be fighting there any time soon.

Also, Coker's attitude was, I want to co-promote and I have no problem with co-promoting except with Bellator.

Melendez isn't going to fight in DREAM either.

 

[DaveMoral]

Western MMA needs stomps and soccers kicks. And the 12-6 elbow ban is a joke as well. The amount of force that a 1-7 elbow delivers is the same amount of that a 12-6 elbow. It's ridiculous.

Exactly, Werdum would have never pulled that stunt.

Exactly.

Another latecomer to the party, I just watched this weeks UFC on Versus... HOLY **** Cheick Kongo! That was unbelievable.

 

[JKDilla]

I would be fine if the unifed rules of MMA allowed knees to the head of a grounded opponent.

As much as I loved Pride rules, I doubt any US state athletic commission would approve of stomps or soccer kicks.

 

[B]

I would like stomps & soccer kicks to be in the UFC, however if these were reintroduced it would take away from the reputation that Dana & the UFC have tried to build for the UFC that it is as much a gentleman's sport as boxing.. kicking an opponent in the face while they are down doesn't seem very sporting.. although it would make people like Werdum think twice about lying on his back so often so...

As for knees to the head, well in the situation that Bisping delivered that illegal knee I would allow it & in the situation were someone is trying to exploit the rules by holding his hand to the mat but is still standing. The only knee that I would consider illegal is a spiking knee to the top of the head from north/south as it can cause instant death.

But knees from side control, back side control etc all should be allowed, it will force people to work more on the ground to get out of the position they are in or else get knocked out.

 

[E-Man]

I'm all for knees to the head on the ground. It's not as bad as it looks, and it's another good tool for ground and pound. The Olivera knee to Lentz was pretty cool, but I hate that it was illegal.

Soccer kicks and stomps are a little too much for me. I think they are worse than headbutts, and headbutts would be far too advantageous to grapplers with good takedowns. Upkicks on the ground need to be enforced to give the guy on the bottom a better edge against someone on top who could do almost anything.

 

[Bubonic]

Knees to the head aren't as bad as they look?
Good sir, have you ever taken a knee to the head while grounded?

I think the UFC is fine as it is, just the right touch of barbarism and sportsmanship. If they ever really degraded it back to the complete bloodsport it used to be than these men need to get paid a hell of a lot more than they have been.

Honestly though, it amazes me how little some of these guys get paid. Look at Hominick at the Toronto UFC not long ago. He was co-main event and had he not earned fight of the night he'd only have gotten 6000 dollars.

That's ridiculously low.

 

[E-Man]

Well I don't mean that they don't hurt. Just that they are about as bad as knees in the Thai clinch. lol

 

[Bubonic]

I think it is because a lot of the knees you'll get while grounded will be to the side of your head as opposed to right in the middle of your face or under the chin while in the clinch.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yes, I agree with you Bubonic. MMA fighters are grossly underpaid, but I'm afraid that is going to continue until a steady rival will appear. Unfortunately, the UFC is a monopoly.

I disagree with views on soccer kicks and stomps. Yes, they are brutal but they are an aspect of a real fight or combat scenario. Don't get me wrong, there should be a limit on them but I say legalize them at the same time (along with knees to a grounded opponent, 12-6 elbows, and upkicks).

 

[Bubonic]

People are deluded to think that mma is representative of a real combat scenario.
Crowds would love it if it did, but fighters wouldn't last very long.