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[Hunter Rider]

So because Jeff Hardy showed up in a messed up condition you're going to take it out on Sting? Really?

I don't care if it's Sting, AJ, Angle, Samoa Joe or whoever against Hardy. You cannot blame anyone other than Hardy for that and the TNA management for making the boneheaded decision to allow him to even go to the ring. I guess you must disrespect everyone on the TNA roster.

I'm sorry but this post by you came off like such a WWE mark comment

Vileone is far from a WWE mark, if I'm not mistaken he was a WCW fan back in the day and then he was this boards biggest TNA fan, he even created a separate thread just for TNA.

It's a shame to see Jeff Hardy wasting his talent, a couple of years ago he was the hottest face Vince had, had since the Attitude era, universally over and selling merch by the bucket load, but he never had the professionalism to be trusted to be the main guy.

As for TNA, they should have merged the #1 contenders match with the the main event and done a triple threat, instead they served up a match with a cop out finish and a 90 second title match.

 

[Metallo]

Ok so I read about the results of the main event of TNA's PPV but I'm curious did some news break out as to why, all I see is everyone is going back and forth about it and I'm curious if there's news to why.

There is no concrete news. Just fan reports and wrestling news site speculation that Jeff Hardy may have showed up at the ppv in an altered state of mind and was in no condition to work.

Rumors that Sting didn't want to work with him since he could have been a danger in the ring.

The match was supposedly ended quickly because Hardy was in no shape to wrestle and was messed up.

Vileone is far from a WWE mark, if I'm not mistaken he was a WCW fan back in the day and then he was this boards biggest TNA fan, he even created a separate thread just for TNA.

It's a shame to see Jeff Hardy wasting his talent, a couple of years ago he was the hottest face Vince had, had since the Attitude era, universally over and selling merch by the bucket load, but he never had the professionalism to be trusted to be the main guy.

As for TNA, they should have merged the #1 contenders match with the the main event and done a triple threat, instead they served up a match with a cop out finish and a 90 second title match.

Thats no reason to disrespect Sting for anything though. If anything Sting sounds like the only person at the PPV tonight who had any common sense and didn't want Jeff Hardy out there wrestling. This is the faulty of TNA management and Jeff Hardy. And on the TNA management side the buck stops with Dixie Carter if she was there.

 

[NDX]

Vileone is far from a WWE mark, if I'm not mistaken he was a WCW fan back in the day and then he was this boards biggest TNA fan, he even created a separate thread just for TNA.

Damn, that was a while ago, no?

As for TNA, they should have merged the #1 contenders match with the the main event and done a triple threat, instead they served up a match with a cop out finish and a 90 second title match.

I said the same thing elsewhere. They could have changed the card, and for once with a real good reason and made a much better match that could have garnered some last minute buys if they announced it early enough on the card, or garnered more replay buys. A 90 second match between Hardy and Sting will not do the latter.

 

[Superark]

Vileone is far from a WWE mark, if I'm not mistaken he was a WCW fan back in the day and then he was this boards biggest TNA fan, he even created a separate thread just for TNA.

It's a shame to see Jeff Hardy wasting his talent, a couple of years ago he was the hottest face Vince had, had since the Attitude era, universally over and selling merch by the bucket load, but he never had the professionalism to be trusted to be the main guy.

As for TNA, they should have merged the #1 contenders match with the the main event and done a triple threat, instead they served up a match with a cop out finish and a 90 second title match.

Maybe he isn't, but that's just how it came across because it was such a dumb comment to make.

It is sad indeed to see what's gone on with Hardy. When he was on top of WWE and having great matches with Punk, Edge, HHH, he was my favorite act in wrestling. He finally broke through that mold in my opinion and became a larger than life character. It's just sad that he doesn't have the discipline and willingness to stay off drugs so that he may live a healthy life. I don't care if he retires today and never wrestles again, but I wanna see him kick his addition so he doesn't throw away his young life.

Metallo made that comment earlier too about the triple threat. I think that's exactly what they should have done.

 

[Team Andino]

If it is true that TNA let Jeff Hardy go out there to "perform" when he's in no shape to do so then this is without a doubt the LOWEST TNA has ever gotten. they can book bad shows until the internet explodes but to let a young man risk his health and others around him just to perform a squash match is inexcusable. Like Hunter mentioned just make it a 3 way with the other to guys in the number one contender to take Hardy off the card. They do advertise that the show is always subject to change and with the amount of times TNA has done it before why not now??

 

[Metallo]

Just to add one more "worst ppv main event ever" candidate...The "legendary" "Heroes of Wrestling" PPV which saw Jake Roberts get SO DRUNK that he rambled through a promo...then later came out for his match with Jim Neidhart (even though he couldn't even walk straight), put the snake between his legs like a giant penis and began to pretend to ejaculate on the crowd with it.

Then in order to salvage the ppv King Kong Bundy and a morbidly obese Yokozuna came out and made it a tag team main event. Bundy finally pinned Jake after Jake didn't know what the hell he was doing. THAT may be the worst wrestling ppv main event in history.

A ppv so bad that the promoter never did another one.


Heroes of Wrestling: Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart vs Jake Roberts (Part 1)
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[Superark]

Here's the match between Sting and Hardy from Victory Road. Based on how animated Sting was you can see he is pissed and physically kept Hardy down for the 3 count when he tried to kick up. Sting's reactions and body language made it obvious he was really pissed and you can see the "I agree" part when fans are chanting "BS"

Sting absolutely called the end to that match and went into shoot mode

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[Team Andino]

Just to add one more "worst ppv main event ever" candidate...The "legendary" "Heroes of Wrestling" PPV which saw Jake Roberts get SO DRUNK that he rambled through a promo...then later came out for his match with Jim Neidhart (even though he couldn't even walk straight), put the snake between his legs like a giant penis and began to pretend to ejaculate on the crowd with it.

Then in order to salvage the ppv King Kong Bundy and a morbidly obese Yokozuna came out and made it a tag team main event. Bundy finally pinned Jake after Jake didn't know what the hell he was doing. THAT may be the worst wrestling ppv main event in history.

A ppv so bad that the promoter never did another one.


Heroes of Wrestling: Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart vs Jake Roberts (Part 1)
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The thing is Metallo that this is supposed to be the 2nd biggest wrestling organization in the US not some one off PPV thrown together by a promoter. In this day in age after seeing so many horror stories come from wrestling you'd think they'd have even a slither of an idea to know better then to do something like this.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Thats no reason to disrespect Sting for anything though. If anything Sting sounds like the only person at the PPV tonight who had any common sense and didn't want Jeff Hardy out there wrestling. This is the faulty of TNA management and Jeff Hardy. And on the TNA management side the buck stops with Dixie Carter if she was there.

I think he is just angry at Sting going back to such a dud promotion and tonight's farce only added to his annoyance.

Damn, that was a while ago, no?

Yeah, about 6 years ago.

I said the same thing elsewhere. They could have changed the card, and for once with a real good reason and made a much better match that could have garnered some last minute buys if they announced it early enough on the card, or garnered more replay buys. A 90 second match between Hardy and Sting will not do the latter.

If they hadn't wanted to mess with their future title program plans they could have just merged the AJ/Matt match into the title match and made that the main event.

Maybe he isn't, but that's just how it came across because it was such a dumb comment to make.

It is sad indeed to see what's gone on with Hardy. When he was on top of WWE and having great matches with Punk, Edge, HHH, he was my favorite act in wrestling. He finally broke through that mold in my opinion and became a larger than life character. It's just sad that he doesn't have the discipline and willingness to stay off drugs so that he may live a healthy life. I don't care if he retires today and never wrestles again, but I wanna see him kick his addition so he doesn't throw away his young life.

Metallo made that comment earlier too about the triple threat. I think that's exactly what they should have done.

As I said to Metallo, I think it was just his reaction to Sting being with the farcical promotion and what it has done since the days of AJ, Joe and Daniels.

The dangerous thing about Jeff is he refuses to admit he has a problem, he think he is in control of his addiction and until he realizes he isn't things will only continue to spiral out of control on his descent to becoming the new Scott Hall.

 

[Heretic]

And the match probably would have been a huge disaster. How is it good for Stings first match in to be going against an aging Taker who's shoulder is SO F***ED up that he'll NEVER have full use of it in the ring again. Taker is hurting...BADLY. Speculation is (once again) that his career is basically winding down.

Its a GOOD thing that Sting didn't go to WWE to face Taker at this point. Takers physical condition sounds worse and worse everyday and theres no way a 52 year old Sting would have been able to pick up the slack when he's not at his best himself.

They've made HHH vs Taker no rules to cover up for the fact that Taker is rapidly breaking down. Takers damn near a cripple himself. If his shoulder is shot how's he do all those moves like the Tombstone, last ride, chokeslam, old school etc...against a man Stings size? People would have been let down by the supposed "dream match."

Besides it was WWE's fault that this Sting talk even started because they let people continue to believe that Sting was going to WWE to build off the hype because they knew it was a much bigger deal than another Taker or HHH return...which is exactly what we got. And now we got em in a match that was so thrown together that Vince McMahon expects the audience to be idiots and forget that Taker alreay beat HHH at Wrestlemania ten years ago...what?

Who exactly is looking bad in that situation: Sting....who never said he was going to WWE? Or WWE...who did a Starccade 97 style knockoff promo video that caused people think a guy from another company was on the way in. Why should WWE be THAT desperate to attention?

The worse main event in PPV history was Vince Russo saying f*** you to all the people who payed when he got into a public pissing contest with Hulk Hogan at Bash at the Beach 2000. He had his faithful pet Jeff Jarrett lay down in the ring in a "match" that never should have happened anyway.

Or the bullsh** at WWECW December to Dismember. Almost that whole PPV was a total f***in piece of sh**. It was such a disaster that Heyman had had enough and went home and never came back on air for WWE again.

Or Halloween Havoc 98 where the ppv went off the air DURING the main event between DDP and Goldberg. THAT is incompetence. People didn't even get to SEE an ending and WCW and the ppv company were forced to give all the viewers refunds.

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Good points.

I think your point on Sting vs Taker being a terrible match is wrong though. I mean, SURELY it would have been terrible...but it isn't happening...so wrestling fans can build up this "what if it HAD" in their minds...and many will imagine it as being THE face-off of two of the biggest icons ever...and their minds will brush away the age and banged up factors. So, we have a terrible PPV match, against an invention of the mind...

I didnt even know about that Goldberg/DDP match though...yeah, that's awfully bad....if that really was the entire match and the colored bars flashing and all...then that really would be the worst PPV main event ever.

 

[Metallo]

The thing is Metallo that this is supposed to be the 2nd biggest wrestling organization in the US not some one off PPV thrown together by a promoter. In this day in age after seeing so many horror stories come from wrestling you'd think they'd have even a slither of an idea to know better then to do something like this.

Whats your excuse for WWE's December to Dismember then? A ppv so bad that Heyman QUIT WWE and went home. F*** the PPV didn't even go three full hours!

Whats your excuse for Halloween Havoc 98?

WWE and WCW were both the TOP wrestling organizations at the time...not second. People throw this "worst ppv main event" ever tag around way to much without considering history.

People said worst ppv main event ever...you can't suddenly try to discount Heroes of Wrestling. Its a PPV and Jake Roberts was no better than Jeff hardy....WORSE even because he made a bigger fool of himself.

 

[Team Andino]

Whats your excuse for WWE's December to Dismember then? A ppv so bad ther Heyman QUIT WWE and went home. F*** the PPV didn't even go three full hours!

Whats your excuse for Halloweeen Havoc 98?

WWE and WCW were both the TOP wrestling organizations at the time...not second. People throw this "worst ppv main event" ever tag around way to much without considering history.

People said worst ppv main event ever...you can't suddenly try to discount Heroes of Wrestling. Its a PPV and Jake Roberts was no better than Jeff hardy....WORSE even because he made a bigger fool of himself.

I'm not talking about a ****** PPV ending I'm talking about letting Jeff Hardy go out there when there were plenty of good/better options to go with to end the show with. Everything you just posted I agree with 100% I'm not complaining that its a bad finish I'm complaining cause it should of never of been an option in the first place let alone what actually took place on live PPV. They should of made it a 3 way or replace Hardy, bottom line Hardy should NOT of been out there.

 

[Heretic]

Heroes of Wrestling does not count. It was supposed to be a one time, no storyline "hey, remember these old guys that used to be able to wrestle" type thing.

Honestly, the Jake Roberts shenanigans was likely the most entertaining part of that whole show.

Yes, it was a PPV...but when people discuss "worst PPV match ever" they are not splitting hairs...they mean from the big companies.

And I don't throw around "worst main event in PPV history" like...ever. I watched WWECW December To Dismember, and that card was terrible...but I don't think the actual main event was as unsatisfying as this one. As I mentioned before, I was unaware of the DDP/Goldberg match...

 

[bullets]

Sting absolutely called the end to that match and went into shoot mode

It certainly appears that way. Also the triple threat idea is all over the iwc and it's sad something so painfully obvious was overlooked. It's hard to say people wouldn't of still complained but it would of been much preferred.

 

[Heretic]

I'm not talking about a ****** PPV ending I'm talking about letting Jeff Hardy go out there when there were plenty of good/better options to go with to end the show with. Everything you just posted I agree with 100% I'm not complaining that its a bad finish I'm complaining cause it should of never of been an option in the first place let alone what actually took place on live PPV. They should of made it a 3 way or replace Hardy, bottom line Hardy should NOT of been out there.

Exactly. TNA gave us a terrible main event...and one that could damage the company forever...and at the VERY LEAST should result in Jeff Hardy being fired or forced into rehab (if the stories are true). However, they have a locker room full of guys that could have wrestled...and really should have been in a position to have main evented, considering Hardys legal issues. Even assuming that those not scheduled to wrestle werent there (which is likely), they could have made some changes and simply chose not to.

 

[Metallo]

I'm not talking about a ****** PPV ending I'm talking about letting Jeff Hardy go out there when there were plenty of good/better options to go with to end the show with. Everything you just posted I agree with 100% I'm not complaining that its a bad finish I'm complaining cause it should of never of been an option in the first place let alone what actually took place on live PPV. They should of made it a 3 way or replace Hardy, bottom line Hardy should NOT of been out there.

I was one of the first guys HERE to say Hardy should not have been out there and it should have been a three way but people seem to be ignoring that.

Should WCW have put on a PPV where they KNEW they were going to get cut off and rip fans off of their hard earned money? They were so freaking clueless that thats exactly what happened.

And ANYBODY with a lick of common sense should have known Jake Roberts was in no condition to go on at Heroes of Wrestling. I'm not a wrestling promoter and even I know that. You know that. Anybody would have known that after the promo he cut. He didn't do a local show where I live BECAUSE the promoter could tell he was messed up.

Jake jerked his snake off like it was his d*** for cryin out loud. Then he layed on the mat and showing his tongue to his snake.

Good points.

I think your point on Sting vs Taker being a terrible match is wrong though. I mean, SURELY it would have been terrible...but it isn't happening...so wrestling fans can build up this "what if it HAD" in their minds...and many will imagine it as being THE face-off of two of the biggest icons ever...and their minds will brush away the age and banged up factors. So, we have a terrible PPV match, against an invention of the mind...

I didnt even know about that Goldberg/DDP match though...yeah, that's awfully bad....if that really was the entire match and the colored bars flashing and all...then that really would be the worst PPV main event ever.

Kevin Nash PUBLICLY said Undertaker waited so long to get his rotator cuff repaired that it CANT BE FIXED. thats not a rumor, not speculation...but what he said Taker actually told him. And thats from Nash's own mouth. There's no mentally ignoring that. And thats not even the only thing wrong with him. The Deadman is falling apart.

It doesn't take much sense to question if a man with one good arm can do all the moves Taker does. And anyone with sense can see that there is a reason Taker and HHH are having a gimmick match at Wrestlemania instead of a standard match like Taker and HBK. HHH is TEN YEARS Stings junior and one of the best workers ever and even he isn't being trusted to go out there and do a normal match at Mania with Taker.

Sting isn't the worker that HHH or HBK are. I respect him but even he couldn't overcome all those problems. And people wanted to see Taker and Sting have an EPIC encounter. Not some gimmick match to cover for both of their inadequacies.

Any "invention of the mind" is easily obliterated by the reality of what people can see with their own eyes right now.

 

[Heretic]

Well...one google search of wrestling marks postings on the internet when they thought Sting was coming will show you that, regardless of the facts, people were excited about the idea of the match happening and believed it would be a once in a lifetime event to witness.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Here's the match between Sting and Hardy from Victory Road. Based on how animated Sting was you can see he is pissed and physically kept Hardy down for the 3 count when he tried to kick up. Sting's reactions and body language made it obvious he was really pissed and you can see the "I agree" part when fans are chanting "BS"

Sting absolutely called the end to that match and went into shoot mode

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Look at Hardy's eyes and all that nonsense with the shirt, he was totally out of it. Absolutely ridiculous position for TNA to put Sting in and he was clearly and rightly pissed off, he called the end on the fly and you're right, he forced Hardy to stay down.

 

[Team Andino]

I stopped watching TNA in 2006 because I had my intelligence insulted when I went to a Impact taping. That was the last time I payed them any attention and to see what happen to them tonight for the main event doesn't make me laugh, it makes me disgusted that they would do something so stupid not storyline wise but in real life in letting what happen go down at all tonight.

 

[Metallo]

Heroes of Wrestling does not count. It was supposed to be a one time, no storyline "hey, remember these old guys that used to be able to wrestle" type thing.

Honestly, the Jake Roberts shenanigans was likely the most entertaining part of that whole show.

Yes, it was a PPV...but when people discuss "worst PPV match ever" they are not splitting hairs...they mean from the big companies.

And I don't throw around "worst main event in PPV history" like...ever. I watched WWECW December To Dismember, and that card was terrible...but I don't think the actual main event was as unsatisfying as this one. As I mentioned before, I was unaware of the DDP/Goldberg match...

Heroes of Wrestling was supposed to be a SERIES of continuing PPV's. Not just one. And you said worst PPV main event ever. I saw nothing in your post about it being from big companies.

Jake Roberts acting like a fool was not entertaining when people payed for a ticket or bought the PPV to see him wrestle Neidhart. Bundy and Neidhart certainly didn't look entertaining to me. If people were so entertained by it they would have done more. It was an embarrassment to pro wrestling.

December to Dismember was a bomb. It didn't go the full airtime and nobody took to Lashley. Why? because people thought it was bulls***. It was a slap in the face to ECW. It was obviously pretty bad if Heyman went home and it started the beginning of the end of the ECW revival.

Well...one google search of wrestling marks postings on the internet when they thought Sting was coming will show you that, regardless of the facts, people were excited about the idea of the match happening and believed it would be a once in a lifetime event to witness.

That was before Taker limped out to the ring on that fake wannabe Sting promo video. Before they created a gimmick match to cover for him at Wrestlemania. And before they pretended to build hype for a match with HHH cause they know he's the only person with enough star power to make a match with him interesting right now.

Takers old and Sting's older. Stings beat up and Taker is MORE beat up. One look at Undertaker right now and even Sting right now is enough to deflate a lot of the hype. What was Taker gonna do...throw his medic alert bracelet at Sting to get the pinfall?

 

[bullets]

Another thing was people wanted to see Sting associated with WWE before he retired. Sure the matches wouldn't of been nearly as great had he came into WWE in the early 2000s but people would of still marked for it.

 

[Heretic]

Heroes of Wrestling was supposed to be a SERIES of continuing PPV's. Not just one. And you said worst PPV main event ever. I saw nothing in your post about it being from big companies.

Jake Roberts acting like a fool was not entertaining when people payed for a ticket or bought the PPV to see him wrestle Neidhart. Bundy and Neidhart certainly didn't look entertaining to me. If people were so entertained by it they would have done more. It was an embarrassment to pro wrestling.

December to Dismember was a bomb. It didn't go the full airtime and nobody took to Lashley. Why? because people thought it was bulls***. It was a slap in the face to ECW. It was obviously pretty bad if Heyman went home and it started the beginning of the end of the ECW revival.

That's because I shouldn't HAVE to split hairs and say ""I'm only talking about major league promotion PPVs" No one but you expects that.

I know you hate examples...but when someone says "Jason X is the worst horror movie ever" I COULD say "No, an unreleased hand held video filmed movie called Devil Of Blue Mountain was worse" but that would be silly...since no one saw Devil Of Blue Mountain...and only dozens have ever heard of it...so even though it is a feature length film, and is available if you search for it...it still doesn't "count" in normal conversations of worst horror movie ever.

You're just splitting hairs in a way that very, very few people bother to do...

And Heroes Of Wrestling was not a series of PPVs. History proves that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Just looking at the vid again, you can see at the 3:02 mark the ref throws up the X.

 

[bullets]

I stopped watching TNA in 2006 because I had my intelligence insulted when I went to a Impact taping. That was the last time I payed them any attention and to see what happen to them tonight for the main event doesn't make me laugh, it makes me disgusted that they would do something so stupid not storyline wise but in real life in letting what happen go down at all tonight.

I think it's especially frustrating because they should of been the organization that got it right. They could of been the 'cool' alternative to wwe or whatever. This isn't the worst ppv of all time by any means but they really need to find a way to recover from all this.

 

[bullets]

Just looking at the vid again, you can see at the 3:02 mark the ref throws up the X.

Just noticed that .. also seeing Jeff stumbling his way into the ring and the Sting yanked him back. I'm convinced Sting had to put Jeff in his place.