Okay... Who else loved Logan vs. Jean

[DarknessOfDeath]

wait a min...they had sex? ... Is sex allowed to be said on this forum? ...

 

[Goddessreicho]

Ultimate X-Men is a perfect example. You notice since jean and logan had sex, they havent really explored their relationship further? Wanna know why?

the Tension was gone. It was smart of millar to do that.

Yuppers again...and it ened awfully. Now she can barely tolerate him.And it only proved how much more she was in love with Scott.

Oh yeah, and who is Logan into in UXM...Ororo.

 

[Mike059jig]

Thats a 90 year old logan takin advantage of a 17 year old Jean nice relationship

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm glad Im still young and so is Jean...

excuse me...

-throws up-

-comes back- okay... I feel better now.

 

[The Batman]

Yuppers again...and it ened awfully. Now she can barely tolerate him.And it only proved how much more she was in love with Scott.

Oh yeah, and who is Logan into in UXM...Ororo.

I'd rather see ororo and logan. They're both warriors in a sense, and they have great chemistry together.

i dunno...i'm just sick of the whole "logan chases after someone thats taken" routine(Jean, Heather Hudson, Rose)

 

[Goddessreicho]

Yeah the Jelo "realationship" un Ultimate was the most disturbing thing I've ever seen in a comicbook outside of manga hentai.
It made me cringe and nearly vomit everytime I saw it. It was not only phyically icky, there was mental manipulations on both parties. It was just wrong. Glad its over and NEVER coming back. There was no actual LOVE...I dunno...it wasn't pleasant.

But again...the writers are actually building a realationship with Rolo. Its slight but its emotionally more there than the Jelo one.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

... hmm... well while I still prefer Scott/Jean over JELO, I still like Jelo...but then again... I prefer movieverse Jelo over comic Jelo but at the same time I prefer movieverse Jean/scott and Comic/Cartoon Jean/Scott even more.

 

[Loganbabe]

So Scott didnt love jean intensely....hmmm, i guess there must be another reason why scott turned into a complete mess when she died in X2, while logan was just the same old logan.

He wasn´t "the same old Logan". It seems you don´t know the character that well. Logan is a man who hides his feelings. He´s incredibly intense, but he´s always afraid to show himself to people. He acts all cocky and arrogant, trying to look all cool and detached, when he´s really a very passionate person inside. I guess Jean sensed it when she read his mind, and maybe she felt the same, that´s why they kind of connected.

Undo, you havent read the comics...so you dont know the appeal of the jean/scott romance. why the majority of x fans here prefer it over logan/jean. Comic fans know the intense love the two feel for each other, and how with logan theres only lust.

Yeah, Scott loved Jean so much that he traded her for a blonde telepath...
I read the comics, and I still think Jean/Scott is boring. It´s not only because of the movies. I think he´s better with Emma now, and I really would have liked to see Jean and Logan together on the comics - even if it was for a brief period.

And its that way in the movies too. Sorry, but when the writers, and wolverine himself state that Jean dosent love logan on that level, i'm inclined to believe them.

Logan just said it because that´s the way he is. He, deep down, has problems with the idea that someone may love him. When we talk about the movies, we really don´t know if when Jean said she had chosen Scott, she really meant it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

She could have said, kill me... for Scott or something... She should have said something regarding Scott...

 

[D-scythe]

Logan just said it because that´s the way he is. He, deep down, has problems with the idea that someone may love him. When we talk about the movies, we really don´t know if when Jean said she had chosen Scott, she really meant it.

Are you kidding me? Then lemme ask you, if we cannot use her EXACT words as evidence (cause "she might not have meant it"), and the fact that she NEVER said "I love you Logan" once, and the fact that Zak Penn, Famke Janssen and Hugh Jackman all said that Jean didn't love him back, what on earth are we gonna use as proof?

Sheesh...some of you Logan/Jean supporters are really unbelievable. Yes, the relationship is there, and it might mean something in the future, but try to make a good case for it at least.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

... well if this is gonna turn into an attitude-like thread... im out of here for a while -backs away-

 

[The Batman]

I think i'm done too, as some of you shippers truly are in denial, and go as far as to make assumptions about the characters that arent there, instead of actual fact.

And its funny how people STILL have no understanding of scott and emma's relationship. By the way, even when hes with her, he STILL thinks of jean. Its pretty clear from the current comics that scott cant get over jean, but i see you chose to omit that part to bolster your weak argument.

Fact is, People on production made it clear that jean dosent love logan like some of you want her to. its unrequited love, and it'll remain like that.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I love that word...unrequited. I unrequited love you, Jean.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

I love that word...unrequited. I unrequited love you, Jean.

Sounds like a good title for the next X-Men Movie

X-Men Unrequited

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

as much as I love the word...sorry I couldn't help but put it in my sig

 

[Loganbabe]

I think i'm done too, as some of you shippers truly are in denial, and go as far as to make assumptions about the characters that arent there, instead of actual fact.

What kind of "actual facts"? We´re talking about fiction here. And I can make assumptions of course, specially when it comes to fictional characters. And specially when these assumptions are based not only on what we´ve seen in the 3 movies, but also in Chris Claremont´s novelizations. There are plenty of Jean/Logan moments in X2 novelization, moments that leave you wondering about the true nature of her feelings for him.

And its funny how people STILL have no understanding of scott and emma's relationship. By the way, even when hes with her, he STILL thinks of jean. Its pretty clear from the current comics that scott cant get over jean, but i see you chose to omit that part to bolster your weak argument.

Of course he still thinks of her, but he if he can´t get over her, then what´s he´s doing with Emma? He should be alone, mourning her (exactly like in X3, btw). Or move on with his life and not use another telepath as a replacement for Jean. That would be pretty patethic.

Fact is, People on production made it clear that jean dosent love logan like some of you want her to. its unrequited love, and it'll remain like that.

Like I said, there are no facts when it comes to fictional territory. Anything can happen, and that´s what´s good about fiction. Maybe you want rules for your fiction, I don´t want rules in mine. I like to think, based on the things I´ve read and the X-movies I´ve watched, that Jean/Logan has remained an open possibility. A romantic, even if doomed, one.

 

[gambitfire]

What kind of "actual facts"? We´re talking about fiction here. And I can make assumptions of course, specially when it comes to fictional characters. And specially when these assumptions are based not only on what we´ve seen in the 3 movies, but also in Chris Claremont´s novelizations. There are plenty of Jean/Logan moments in X2 novelization, moments that leave you wondering about the true nature of her feelings for him.

Jean Wolverine moments are their i won't deny it but they can never compare too Jean Scott moments he's been through too much for her and she's been through too much for him they have suffered for each other and their love grew greater over time even know when she's gone it grows greater.

Of course he still thinks of her, but he if he can´t get over her, then what´s he´s doing with Emma? He should be alone, mourning her (exactly like in X3, btw). Or move on with his life and not use another telepath as a replacement for Jean. That would be pretty patethic.

Emma is a telepathic replacment she's nothing like Jean which is probably why he's with her she's different. Correct if im wrong but Isn't him being with Emma moving on besides Cyclops doesn't mourn forever it's not in his character after all he's been through.

Exactly like X3 isn't the real Cyclops so you claim ppl don't know the real Logan but who are you to talk abou Scott when you don't know the real Cyclops. Logan's overrated

Oh and when Jean died she used her powers to force Cyclops to move on with Emma .

Like I said, there are no facts when it comes to fictional territory. Anything can happen, and that´s what´s good about fiction. Maybe you want rules for your fiction, I don´t want rules in mine. I like to think, based on the things I´ve read and the X-movies I´ve watched, that Jean/Logan has remained an open possibility. A romantic, even if doomed, one.

having rules is good and not having them is good and their both bad, I would just like one rule to be broken, That Wolverine can actually die

If it's bound to be doomed why the hell do you want to see it that's twisted.

The beauty of the Scott Jean relationships is that we know it's not bound to be doomed although we'll never see it cuz the comics go on forever.

 

[D-scythe]

What kind of "actual facts"? We´re talking about fiction here. And I can make assumptions of course, specially when it comes to fictional characters. And specially when these assumptions are based not only on what we´ve seen in the 3 movies, but also in Chris Claremont´s novelizations. There are plenty of Jean/Logan moments in X2 novelization, moments that leave you wondering about the true nature of her feelings for him.

Okay, so the fact that Zak Penn, Hugh Jackman and Famke Janssen all said that Logan's romance with Jean was one sided cannot be fact because the movie is fictional? Man, you Logan/Jean shippers...

I think I'm gonna take a break from this for a while too. It's obvious there is no reasoning with some people.

 

[Decay]

Thats a 90 year old logan takin advantage of a 17 year old Jean nice relationship

Hey age doesn't matter! Only love does

 

[roach]

i didnt like that it was Logan's love for Jean that saved her instead of Scott's

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey age doesn't matter! Only love does

true...

 

[Decay]

i didnt like that it was Logan's love for Jean that saved her instead of Scott's

Maybe because that was the true love...

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

honestly...did Jean ever say "I Love you Logan. Take me Now!!" ? LOL no... she already had her heart set on Scott, even if he's dead or alive, she has always had her heart set on Scott and his love...er...

erm yeah...

 

[Decay]

Love doesn’t assume reciprocity. And Logan loved her…that was enough.

 

[PowersOfMind]

i didnt like that it was Logan's love for Jean that saved her instead of Scott's

But it was also the part of Jean that still existed and able to exert some power that allowed him to get close enough to kill her.
I dont know couldntshe didnt exert that power before killing Scott but it is what it is.