Okay... Who else loved Logan vs. Jean

[bruja_escarlata]

Ok, I know I will be attacked by the huge ROLO majority but the truth is I am a total JELO in the movieverse...not so much in the comics, but in the movies Logan only cares for Jean, it is true that she never says I love you too but she is obviously attracted to him...come on, we all saw X2, she kissed him back, she loves Scott (for some unknown reason, as he is boring during X1 and X2, kind of more interesting in X3 but appears like 3 seconds)

Jean may have not been madly in love with Logan but she cares for him and he loves her....end of the story....he does not need to be loved back to be in love with her in the first place and ....well, as we couldn´t have Scott saving her, at least someone who loved her did it...in my opinion it was a nice touch...Logan has been interested in her since he saw her in X1 so it was a way of ending that part of the story...I would have loved the bar scene at the end though...

 

[bruja_escarlata]

Now that I have read the ROLO thread I see a lot of people have been saying that the novel of X3 is all ROLO, well, I have to admit there is a lot of it but the main part is JELO, Logan is doing everything for Jean...and Jean admits she has feelings for Logan....not as strong as for Scott...Logan admits he admires Storm and feels something but he states like a thousands time how he loves Jean....

 

[Baredevil]

ROLO won't happen until at LEAST X:4

 

[bruja_escarlata]

I don´t really know if I want ROLO....I know I am so alone in this....sniff...sniff..

 

[Baredevil]

No, you're not, my sweet. Having ROLO with the same cast? Watch Swordfish instead.

 

[bruja_escarlata]

Thanks....you make my day

 

[PowersOfMind]

ROLO would be nice to see in a possible X4. But if they bring certain other people back in X4 it would be kinda hard for Logan to focus.

 

[Nemelectro]

i hate wolverine... Jean had to kill wolverine not cyclops...

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

I feel cyclops should have been the one who killed her. THe one thing i wanted them to do was that cycliops love was what helped her fight the phoenix but like laways they have to give wolverine all the good parts.

 

[PowersOfMind]

How exactly would Cyke have stood up against the same thing she was doing to Logan?
Im not saying he should or shouldnt have been there but what exactly would he have done to her?

Plus there is no way Cycolps would have killed her. He wouldnt have wanted to do it.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Thats why i said "Cyclops love should have helped her fight the phoenix" so when he was trying to get to her jean would hold the phoenix back from killing him.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

I double posted by axident and it wont let me delete so sorry. Can you double post here, is thta a problem. I just came over from XMFF so i dont know the rules here i only read likehalf thereare to many.

 

[D-scythe]

How exactly would Cyke have stood up against the same thing she was doing to Logan?
Im not saying he should or shouldnt have been there but what exactly would he have done to her?

Plus there is no way Cycolps would have killed her. He wouldnt have wanted to do it.

Ideally, yes, Scott would never have killed her, but the point is he wouldn't have to. If X3 even adapted the Phoenix story to the slightest degree, Cyke and Jean's love for each other would've been the foundation from which Jean would be able to overcome the Phoenix by herself. In a true Phoenix story, the hero is Jean Grey - she didn't need Scott or Logan to kill her, "save" her. Jean was strong enough to overcome the Dark Phoenix and do what was best for Scott and the team.

In X3, Jean as the hero was replaced by Logan and Scott as the love interest was replaced by Logan.

 

[PowersOfMind]

Ok true. But I wonder if the general public, which is clearly who they were aiming at, would have wanted to see that? Cuz 2 of the 5 times I saw the movie some people actually liked the fact that he got killed. I mean I like the Jean and Logan(movieverse) aspect of it but thats me.

 

[ThE_PhOeNiX]

Well honestly i dont think they care about what we want. if it was that case wolverine woulnt be on the screen 24.7 and scott woulnt have died and on and on and on.

 

[Wynne]

Yes, the scene with Wolverine and Phoenix was pretty awesome.

But it was a bittersweet experience.

The scene itself was awesome, but it should have been Cyclops marching towards Phoenix. Afterall, Jean does love Scott, not Logan.

It was a great scene, but an utter slap in the face to X-Men fans.

Bitter ****ing sweet.

the scene was fine but as ALL of my friends pointed out...exactly why does Logan "love" Jean??? Sure he had the hots for her, but did their relationship in the first two films really amount to "love" for someone like Wolverine???

These two posts make my damn day. Thank goodness I'm not the only one who sees this!

Yeah, it was a great scene... but not because of the 'love'. Logan's forbidden and, ultimately, doomed actual love was in the comic books, never properly represented in the movies, and it's Scott and Jean who belong together regardless of whether it had been.

If Marsden couldn't be there, I hate to say it, but they should've recast, at least for one movie.

 

[D-scythe]

Ok true. But I wonder if the general public, which is clearly who they were aiming at, would have wanted to see that? Cuz 2 of the 5 times I saw the movie some people actually liked the fact that he got killed. I mean I like the Jean and Logan(movieverse) aspect of it but thats me.

Why wouldn't the public want to see Jean (rather than Logan) play hero for once? So long as Logan still gets his massive amount of screentime fighting the cure or whatever, and as long as Phoenix/Jean looks "cool," I don't see any reason why Jean saving herself wouldn't have worked.

 

[Goddessreicho]

They liked this version of the story because most don't know anything else. I mean they would have to read the books or watch TAS to truly understand. That's alot of work time and effort. Most aren't gonna do it.

So, that's why its very easy to accept this water-down quicky butchered version of the Phoe...err Logan's Saga.

 

[D-scythe]

They liked this version of the story because most don't know anything else. I mean they would have to read the books or watch TAS to truly understand. That's alot of work time and effort. Most aren't gonna do it.

So, that's why its very easy to accept this water-down quicky butchered version of the Phoe...err Logan's Saga.

Yeah, I can see how the people behind X3 ran for the hills when faced with the possibility of actually including some character development in the movie. It's a shame they reduced arguably one of the most character-driven stories of all time into 20 minutes of demolecularization and fighting.

 

[Goddessreicho]

This is what scares me about X4. Like its to late to devolp already established characters like Storm or Cyclops...but I want to see what the story of x4 would be.

I'm torn. I don't want more "just Wolverine" but I want more character interaction. I want to see what kind of friends Jean and Ro are. I want Wolverine to hold a conversation with more than two people. I want character realations (not just do it stuff) but more, ya know.

And Jean needs more than the Phoenix and the man sandwhich. She desperatly needs to stand on her OWN to legs.

 

[Loganbabe]

If it's bound to be doomed why the hell do you want to see it that's twisted.

For the same reason millions of people, myself included, love Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Highs...if that´s twisted, I´m in good company.

Okay, so the fact that Zak Penn, Hugh Jackman and Famke Janssen all said that Logan's romance with Jean was one sided cannot be fact because the movie is fictional? Man, you Logan/Jean shippers...

The last interview I saw with Famke she said something like "there was always an attraction between Jean and Logan, but in the other movies Cyclops was always around, so this time..." She was talking about Cyke as if he was an annoyance to Jean. And I never read or saw anything of Hugh denying the possibility of a romance. Anything could happen, it was still open in X2, even when Logan said "She chose you". He said that because he was being noble, and he knew Scott was suffering. That´s the kind of character Logan is, he´s not just some horny animal.

I think I'm gonna take a break from this for a while too. It's obvious there is no reasoning with some people.

Kinda hard to leave, isn´t it?

 

[D-scythe]

The last interview I saw with Famke she said something like "there was always an attraction between Jean and Logan, but in the other movies Cyclops was always around, so this time..." She was talking about Cyke as if he was an annoyance to Jean. And I never read or saw anything of Hugh denying the possibility of a romance. Anything could happen, it was still open in X2, even when Logan said "She chose you". He said that because he was being noble, and he knew Scott was suffering. That´s the kind of character Logan is, he´s not just some horny animal.

Okay, if you don't believe the actors and actresses, how bout Zak Penn himself, who wrote the script?

Zak:
"I think we should have spent more time dealing with what happened to Scott. Forget disrespectful, it was not great storytelling. As I said, we did not win every fight. But my name's on the script, so it's my responsibility.

That said, I don't think the scene at Alkali Lake is disrespectful in the least. And Logan reveals he loves Jean, but does Jean reveal the same about Logan? Watch again. Watch what happens when Xavier says that Jean "killed the man she loves."

And now you're gonna twist his words/take them out of context to prove that something's there when there obviously isn't.

 

[Loganbabe]

And now you're gonna twist his words/take them out of context to prove that something's there when there obviously isn't.

Of course he would say that...he knows Cyke´s fans are pissed, what should he do, try to piss them even more by saying "yeah, Jean and Logan are so cool together, man! I´m glad we got rid of Cyclops!"?
I don´t take things out of context. You have your way of analyzing the context, I have mine. And actually, I never said that Jean didn´t love Scott. What I said is that there was always the possibility of a Jean/Logan hook up, because it´s clear, from day one, that she feels attracted to him - and it was not only lust. I never said it was love at first sight, but maybe a deep affection that could or could not turn into love. That´s what I find endearing about Jean and Logan, the possibilities...it was always like an open book. Ah, and it was also movieverse, something thankfully kinda detached from the comicverse.

 

[Goddessreicho]

So, uh what exactly showed you that Jean was more than in lust with Logan. She had at most five conversations with him. And three of them where of her rejecting him. Yes, yes they made out on a med lab slab, but ah at the end of that was yet another REJECTION.

The end with him stabbing her...it seemed to me like the ultimate NO! She would rather die then make an attempt to control her powers and be with him. Doesn't really sound like the basis of a decent realationship.

 

[D-scythe]

Of course he would say that...he knows Cyke´s fans are pissed, what should he do, try to piss them even more by saying "yeah, Jean and Logan are so cool together, man! I´m glad we got rid of Cyclops!"?

Oh come on! Seriously though...you're not serious are you? You're not actually saying that the reason Zak Penn said that Jean didn't love Logan is because he might piss off Cyke fans more than he already has, are you?

I don´t take things out of context. You have your way of analyzing the context, I have mine. And actually, I never said that Jean didn´t love Scott. What I said is that there was always the possibility of a Jean/Logan hook up, because it´s clear, from day one, that she feels attracted to him - and it was not only lust. I never said it was love at first sight, but maybe a deep affection that could or could not turn into love. That´s what I find endearing about Jean and Logan, the possibilities...it was always like an open book. Ah, and it was also movieverse, something thankfully kinda detached from the comicverse.

Then what are we arguing about? I acknowledged that, due to the way Jean/Logan is portrayed in the X-trilogy, that Logan/Jean did seem to have good chemistry/attraction, which could eventually develop into something more given the right circumstances. However, IMO, what they presently have in the X-trilogy is nothing more than good chemistry and maybe a bit of lust/attraction.

Affection/friendship/unrequited romantic feelings? Sure, I'd give you that. I'd give anyone that, since as I said before Logan just has that much more screentime than Scott, and the entire trilogy was just so heavily biased on him. But when people say that Jean actually loved Logan, I'm sorry, that's just stupid crap. At best, it may have been the start of love, but it couldn't have been actual love. All they showed throughout the entire trilogy was some good chemistry and some attraction, and that's not love by any means - although it is very often erroneously construed as such.