Okay... Who else loved Logan vs. Jean

[weatherwitch]

Hi WeatherWitch! Haven't seen your posts in awhile. Hope your giving people a run for their money...

Let me make myself really clear here. Like plastic wrap clear. Logan and Jean each took out one of Cyclops's nuts in that last battle. Logan didn't mention Scott at all to her. Instead it was all about him and his feelings. And good ole Jean just forgot all about Cyke. It would have been nice to hear her final words be, "Scott!" Or, "I'm sorry, Scott" Something like that right before she died, then the look on Logan's face would have been PRICELESS!

The general public won't know nor will they care about the boundless love that Jean and Scott had for each other, after the last battle. And that blows!

Hola! I'm around here and there. Not as frequent as before, but around.

Oh, and I agree with you. That end scene was like "***** you, Cyclops!" *Whsssssssssss* **zip**

 

[weatherwitch]

The "Jean" in question here was not the "Jean" who was the love of Scott's life. This particular "Jean" did in fact have some connection with Wolverine. This "Jean" was the one who practically raped the man earlier in the film. The other "Jean", the love of Scott's life would never, ever attempt or think of doing something like that.

So what you really mean to say is "Phoenix" had a connection with Wolverine. Right?

 

[Jan Irisi]

So what you really mean to say is "Phoenix" had a connection with Wolverine. Right?

Yes. It was not Scott's Jean, it was "Phoenix". It was that personality that "wanted" Wolverine.

 

[Goddessreicho]

*le GROAN* Great now I'm soposed to believe that Phoenix who knew Logan for, what a few hours, has FEELINGS for him, campared to Jean who knew him for um two days- to a week at the most!!!!

Damn people, at least Storm and Wolverine had time to devolp a rappor with each other seeing as how it was 8 months between X2 and X3.

 

[uga2002]

Yes, the scene was great. As for Cyclops, phuck Cyclops. Cyclops was a lame character, with a lame power, and a lame actor playing him in the film. James Marsden gave less than stellar performances throughout this series. I can't imagine him trying to act his way through that scene.

 

[GhostPoet]

The "Jean" in question here was not the "Jean" who was the love of Scott's life. This particular "Jean" did in fact have some connection with Wolverine. This "Jean" was the one who practically raped the man earlier in the film. The other "Jean", the love of Scott's life would never, ever attempt or think of doing something like that.

I think she loved them both.

 

[Jan Irisi]

*le GROAN* Great now I'm soposed to believe that Phoenix who knew Logan for, what a few hours, has FEELINGS for him, campared to Jean who knew him for um two days- to a week at the most!!!!

Damn people, at least Storm and Wolverine had time to devolp a rappor with each other seeing as how it was 8 months between X2 and X3.

"Phoenix" has been around for a long time. Isn't that what Xavier said? Subconsciously it was the Phoenix personality who was drawn to Wolverine. The Phoenix personality was well aware of Wolverine, and was drawn to him. It wanted him. The Jean personality was buried, taken over by the much more powerful Phoenix personality.

Why is that so hard to grasp? It is not Scott's Jean in this film. The only time that personality really shows is at the moment of her death. She smiles. She's free.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Oooh good, some speculatory conversation. I have some questions.

Phoenix has a 'connection' to Wolvie that's favorable (wild, fun, lively), so this is enough to NOT kill him. Do you believe that this is the only reason why she doesn't smoke him like a pack of cigarettes.

Lightning, is it your theory that the Phoenix is the dominant persona... not just in the movie, but would have been the dominant persona period.

 

[Goddessreicho]

So if Jean wanted to be "herself" why was she so upset about the inhibitors in her head. I don't think you can have it both ways.

Well anyway, thanks WW. I just got the nastiest picture in my head! :P

DP, "This one is for you, Scotty!" She squats, and lets it rip. Scott then feels his dead left *** shrivel and burn.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Oooh good, some speculatory conversation. I have some questions.

Phoenix has a 'connection' to Wolvie that's favorable (wild, fun, lively), so this is enough to NOT kill him. Do you believe that this is the only reason why she doesn't smoke him like a pack of cigarettes.

Why did she seem to "smoke" everyone else but him? With all that destruction she was causing all around him, yet he was untouched? She faced him and waited. Why didn't she just turn him into a bloody smear like everyone else? It was not until he began to approach her that she began to mentally swipe at him. Even then, she could have just ripped him apart, yet she didn't. Why did she let him get so close?

 

[Endeavor]

I hated Logan vs Jean...it was so underwhelming and rushed

Like almost everything in this film, with few exceptions.

 

[Endeavor]

Why did she let him get so close?

Because it serves the story in that it allows for Wolverine to be the 'hero' by killing her. Just like killing Cyclops off in the first 15 minutes serves the story they wanted to tell by allowing Wolverine to do everything that would have otherwise been Cyclops' role to do.
This movie was all about forcing the puzzle pieces into a pre-conceived end result, nevermind if they fit or not. Who needs logical story progression when you can market anything with big explosions and dramatics?

 

[Jan Irisi]

 

[Endeavor]

Would you care to ellaborate?

 

[Sun_Down]

So if Jean wanted to be "herself" why was she so upset about the inhibitors in her head. I don't think you can have it both ways.

You just answered your own question. She was mad about the mental blocks because they kept her from being herself.

As for the scene, I thought it was good, if not a bit rushed. It could have worked equally well with Cyclops, but I didn't mind it being Wolverine.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Why did she seem to "smoke" everyone else but him? With all that destruction she was causing all around him, yet he was untouched? She faced him and waited. Why didn't she just turn him into a bloody smear like everyone else? It was not until he began to approach her that she began to mentally swipe at him. Even then, she could have just ripped him apart, yet she didn't. Why did she let him get so close?

Oh yeah, I saw what she did, just like she could've smoked him in the med lab. Just like she could've dusted the whole house at her parent's place. But I'm wondering was this the writer's only intended interpretation. Or did they intend for us to see another possibility?

This movie was all about forcing the puzzle pieces into a pre-conceived end result, nevermind if they fit or not. Who needs logical story progression when you can market anything with big explosions and dramatics?

LOL, as was used in Sesame Street...

"Me put square peg in round whole"

Actually Endeavor I'm trying to see if anyone can come up with something with more depth, but I think this is probably the most sensical conclusion.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Not any more. I can't argue with anyone who has blinders on. I tried to explain what I saw rationally and reasonably, but it always comes down to the same damn thing time and again. I am not discussing studio politics or personal vendettas or all the coulda/shoulda/wouldas or that oldie but a goodie "Cyclops got screwed". I am discussing the scene as it played out in the film.

 

[Endeavor]

I think you might have me mistaken with someone else in the Cyclops thread. Just because I post there doesn't mean I can't have a rational exchange of ideas.
FYI - I think there were more crimes committed in this film than Cyclops' portrayal, certainly graver ones.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Is the 'Not any more' for me or Endeavor?

 

[Endeavor]

Hi AS, I miss your jokes man. How've you been?

 

[Endeavor]

Is the 'Not any more' for me or Endeavor?

That was for me.
Jan seems to be under the impression we've had a discussion recently, while I don't think her and I have chatted about anything in months.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Is the 'Not any more' for me or Endeavor?

Sorry, it was for Endeavor. All I was discussing was the scene itself. Not studio politics, not anything else. It was the scene itself.

 

[Jan Irisi]

That was for me.
Jan seems to be under the impression we've had a discussion recently, while I don't think her and I have chatted about anything in months.

Where did I say that? I didn't.

 

[weatherwitch]

Not any more. I can't argue with anyone who has blinders on. I tried to explain what I saw rationally and reasonably, but it always comes down to the same damn thing time and again. I am not discussing studio politics or personal vendettas or all the coulda/shoulda/wouldas or that oldie but a goodie "Cyclops got screwed". I am discussing the scene as it played out in the film.

Sure, and as a scene within that film, given the context of the movie (much less all 3) it made no frikkin' sense. It was visually stunning, made reshippers gasp in delight and promoted Logan to ranking "hero" but was nothing but drivel in terms of usefulness and plot. Period.

 

[Endeavor]

Where did I say that? I didn't.

Sorry. That's the impression I got by your 'blinders on' comment.