Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[wobbly]

Off-topic: Pretty worked up that Marvel announced a team book called Doc Justice and the J-team(yeah, that’s actually what they’re calling it) and in the promotion they showcased Marvel's history with teams with the titles of Marvel’s previous super teams but for some bizzare reason they omitted any mention of the First Family, and even pretended that the Avengers were Marvel’s first superhero team —ignoring the First Family.

Now I would understand this if Fox still had the rights but now that they don’t this is just inexcusable. It’s not a big deal since Marvel is doing plenty enough to promote the FF but I just found it odd.

Weird. Marvel having been promoting the FF well enough since they got them back. Leaving them out of Marvel's teams for the promotion of this thing (which looks bloody awful) seems beyond an amateurish mistake.

Might be more to it than meets the eye though. The book sounds like a parody, tbh.

 

[Detective Conan]

Marvel talking about their history with super teams leading up to the J-Team: “First there was the Avengers then the X-Men.”

FF fans: “WHAT ABOUT THE FF? THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE AVENGERS OR X-MEN WITHOUT THEM. THEY CAME BEFORE ANY OF THEM.”

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Marvel talking about their history with super teams leading up to the J-Team: “First there was the Avengers then the X-Men.”

FF fans: “WHAT ABOUT THE FF? THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE AVENGERS OR X-MEN WITHOUT THEM. THEY CAME BEFORE ANY OF THEM.

They know their "J-Team" can't even hold a candle to the FF, so they're leaving them out of the discussion so as not to embarrass themselves.

 

[Detective Conan]

This recent news about Spider-Man being pulled from the MCU makes thankful that Fox never collaborated with Marvel to bring Fantastic Four and to a lesser extent X-Men into the MCU, or else we’d be worrying whether or not Fox would do the same thing with the FF.

Thank god, Marvel has unlimited access to the Fantastic Four rights instead of sharing it with another studio. After a certain point, I have no question Fox would’ve pulled the FF out of the MCU after Marvel finished rehabilitating them. Fox would’ve been a bigger pain in the butt to work with than even Sony.

 

[Crimz]

I wonder if this increases the likelihood of Johnny being a teen? The MCU just lost their most prominent (and only) teen hero.

It also increases the likelihood of Avengers tower being the Baxter Building as it's definitely not Oscorp now.

 

[MbJ]

Marvel talking about their history with super teams leading up to the J-Team: “First there was the Avengers then the X-Men.”

FF fans: “WHAT ABOUT THE FF? THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE AVENGERS OR X-MEN WITHOUT THEM. THEY CAME BEFORE ANY OF THEM.”

It sucks but if you're trying to cast a wide net, the Avengers and X-Men are way more relevant to your average person than the FF. That's sorta why the comparison to the X-Men situation has never been quite apt.

 

[Silvermoth]

I wonder if this increases the likelihood of Johnny being a teen? The MCU just lost their most prominent (and only) teen hero.

It also increases the likelihood of Avengers tower being the Baxter Building as it's definitely not Oscorp now.

Yeah I’m devo we’ll never see #SpiderTorch on screen

 

[Jordacar]

Quick question:

What would you show a friend to introduce them to the FF?

 

[Detective Conan]

Quick question:

What would you show a friend to introduce them to the FF?

If you mean anything other than comics then I’m of the opinion there really has yet to be a truly great Fantastic Four adaption. If forced to choose then I think ideally I’d show them some of the best episodes from season 2 of the 90’s show like the adapation of “Blind Man Shall Lead them” as well as the Inhumans three parter that they did on that show. And if they like it well enough, maybe they go back to the horrid two part first episode to get the full gist of the FF origin though I wouldn’t recommend they even bother to finish season one. Then the anime-styled show is fine enough as the next best thing.

 

[InCali]

If you mean anything other than comics then I’m of the opinion there really has yet to be a truly great Fantastic Four adaption. If forced to choose then I think ideally I’d show them some of the best episodes from season 2 of the 90’s show like the adapation of “Blind Man Shall Lead them” as well as the Inhumans three parter that they did on that show. And if they like it well enough, maybe they go back to the horrid two part first episode to get the full gist of the FF origin though I wouldn’t recommend they even bother to finish season one. Then the anime-styled show is fine enough as the next best thing.

Those are 2 of my favorite FF stories. I've got the comics and agree, those are really good intros. Obviously the origin stories of the FF and Doom are important also.

 

[Darkprime]

How would you guys feel about Jon Watts doing the 1st movie if he doesn't come back for Spider-Man 3 with Tom Holland?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Absolutely not. I like what he's done with spiderman but I'm not sure hes a fit for F4.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Not too excited. I adored HC, felt it was pitch perfect in terms of what an MCU Spidey should be, and a baby step towards getting Peter to being more like his comic book self in live action. FFH, and I know I am in the minority but I don't care... I felt it was bland time wasting pablum. It dumbed down everything, made Peter even more of a shrinking violet type, had a villain whom I thought was unengaging. Pro-forms to the max and I don't know if that's on Watts or Marvel. A perfect example of Marvel's four quadrant to the Nth degree approach that results half the time in inoffensive time wasters that are never horrendous but can grate in their own way by just being so calculating in their middle of the road all things to all peoples formula. Somehow colorful and with action yet kinda dull at the same time and leaning on broad humor as a way to get over on the audience.

Watts getting tapped for FF as of now would, sight unseen as to what he's would do with the film would dampen my enthusiasm.

 

[Jordacar]

If you mean anything other than comics then I’m of the opinion there really has yet to be a truly great Fantastic Four adaption. If forced to choose then I think ideally I’d show them some of the best episodes from season 2 of the 90’s show like the adaptation of “Blind Man Shall Lead them” as well as the Inhumans three parter that they did on that show. And if they like it well enough, maybe they go back to the horrid two part first episode to get the full gist of the FF origin though I wouldn’t recommend they even bother to finish season one. Then the anime-styled show is fine enough as the next best thing.

I'd add "Ego the Living Planet" to that sample platter, easily my favorite episode.

Though I'd be cool with Watts or Peyton Reed signing up, I'm leaning more toward new blood to helm FF.

 

[Crimz]

Just putting this here because it would make for a great poster for a FF film:

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I've always liked this image.

 

[Detective Conan]

I hope one day a FF movie poster does a homage to the FF#1 cover.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I hope one day a FF movie poster does a homage to the FF#1 cover.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

How would you guys feel about Jon Watts doing the 1st movie if he doesn't come back for Spider-Man 3 with Tom Holland?

I'd kind of like a director who can do something "bigger". Watts is a great fit for a friendly neighborhood spider-man, but I'm not sure he'd be right for the kind of grand, epic scope I'm hoping to get for FF.

... though I'm reluctant to poo-poo any directors because I know I would have rolled my eyes at the idea of the Russo brothers before they had done a Marvel film.

That's why, even if Feige names the most crazy, off the wall director, I'm going to have some faith that he knows more about it than I do.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd kind of like a director who can do something "bigger". Watts is a great fit for a friendly neighborhood spider-man, but I'm not sure he'd be right for the kind of grand, epic scope I'm hoping to get for FF.

... though I'm reluctant to poo-poo any directors because I know I would have rolled my eyes at the idea of the Russo brothers before they had done a Marvel film.

That's why, even if Feige names the most crazy, off the wall director, I'm going to have some faith that he knows more about it than I do.

If he names either Josh Trank or Scott Buck, I'm not going to be so trusting of him.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If he names either Josh Trank or Scott Buck, I'm not going to be so trusting of him.

Honestly, I believe that if Trank had been working with Feige and Marvel, he could have done a pretty good film.

Marvel obviously wouldn't have allowed him to do his 'body horror', so that would have been shot down before it even became a script, and then it would just be a question of Trank being willing to work within the Marvel structure with a proper script, faithful design etc.

I have predicted (and I stand by that prediction) that Fonzo will be a far better film than Dark Phoenix.

 

[Silvermoth]

I also think that. But I guess we’ll never know.

It must be so hard to go through film school, land a huge gig like this and then blow it for everyone. I know he didn’t exactly behave that well but I also know what it’s like to be in a horrible situation at work

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I also think that. But I guess we’ll never know.

It must be so hard to go through film school, land a huge gig like this and then blow it for everyone. I know he didn’t exactly behave that well but I also know what it’s like to be in a horrible situation at work

Regarding his behavior, If I were a talented filmmaker and I had Simon freakin' Kinberg telling me to do it completely differently than I wanted, I can't predict how I would behave.

 

[Silvermoth]

Absolutely but at the same time trank’s behaviour, although understandable, made it harder for the cast and crew who were also going through similar things with Fox management. From personal experience as bad as things are you can only choose your own behaviour and becoming divaish and throwing tantrums just makes everything much worse

 

[MbJ]

At about 28 minutes in here, the Hasbro brand team shows off the new She-Hulk and Doctor Doom figures they'll be releasing in 2020. One of the reps said they're not allowed to say anything else about why they're releasing those or what the occasion is, but that they'd been threatened by Marvel to not spoil anything.

She-Hulk is obvious now: her TV show got announced yesterday. Doom is suspicious...they already confirmed an FF reboot movie is in the works last month, so that in itself should not be a secret. Speculate away!