Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Zarex]

It's absolutely logical that Kang/Nathaniel's race has no bearing on Reed's race. But from a studio perspective, there will be a ton of bad press if they introduce a lily-white team of heroes and then drop in the fact that the lead's descendant is a black man and also a bad guy.

So long as Kang isn't a stereotypical mustache twirler, it should be perfectly fine for Reed Richards to be at odds with his distant, darker descendant. But I'm okay with a black guy getting the Reed role if that's the way Feige and company choose to go, and would prefer that to race bending either of the Storms.

 

[SumT]

MCU Kang can be not only a descendant of Stark but also another disgruntled employee of Stark.

at least he wont be the half-sister of Charles Xavier

 

[CaptainWagner]

MCU Kang can be not only a descendant of Stark but also another disgruntled employee of Stark.

Well, if we're honest, Tony's lucky there isn't an army of kids from Tony/Employee "rendezvous" running around looking for revenge

But I REALLY hope the "everything flows from Stark" era of the MCU died when he did.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Kang's history in the comics has been such a convoluted mess, I certainly hope the MCU simplifies it.

 

[Detective Conan]

Kang's history in the comics has been such a convoluted mess, I certainly hope the MCU simplifies it.

Yeah, I’m expecting a radical reworking of his backstory for the purposes of the current post-Endgame MCU.

But do you think his relationship with Reed is integral to the character, or do you think it’s easily removable and the MCU version doesn’t need it?

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, I’m expecting a radical reworking of his backstory for the purposes of the current post-Endgame MCU.

But do you think his relationship with Reed is integral to the character, or do you think it’s easily removable and the MCU version doesn’t need it?

It's about as integral as Hank Pym is to Ultron or Death is to Thanos.

The main thing about Kang is that he's a time traveller from the future and his immortal beloved is Ravona for whom he has died everyday waiting for and has loved for a thousand years.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, I’m expecting a radical reworking of his backstory for the purposes of the current post-Endgame MCU.

But do you think his relationship with Reed is integral to the character, or do you think it’s easily removable and the MCU version doesn’t need it?

It’s interesting, but I don’t think it’s key to either Kang or Reed’s stories.

In the comics, Kang has never been closely tied to the FF, so unless they’re going to tie Kang more closely to the FF in the films, I’d say lose it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Kang barely takes off his mask or talks about him being Nathaniel Richards. Most of his appearances in the Avengers revolved around him trying to revive Ravona.

The classic story with the Growing Man, Squadron Sinister, the Invaders and Grandmaster had nothing about being some Richards descendant.

I don't see the Avengers fighting the Squadron Sinister though unless they change the Avengers line up. There's no Iron Man or Cap now, and are they going to get Jeremy Renner in a chest harness to become Goliath?

Also we have no T'Challa to join the likes of Vision and Hank Pym to fight 1940s Cap, Namor and the Android Human Torch.

 

[Zarex]

It’s interesting, but I don’t think it’s key to either Kang or Reed’s stories.

In the comics, Kang has never been closely tied to the FF, so unless they’re going to tie Kang more closely to the FF in the films, I’d say lose it.

Given there's a millenium separating Reed from Kang in the comics, it's not as though the two are closely related anyway. It's like finding out that Wong is a descendant of Genghis Khan. Who cares?

 

[Web-Head]

I'm starting to think they'll remove the whole related to Reed Richards thing. They made changes to Ultron and Thanos like Dark Raven said and it's not like he's Loki where the fact that he's Thor's "brother" matters.

The Avengers messed with time and Kang isn't happy about it. That's my theory

 

[Detective Conan]

I'm starting to think they'll remove the whole related to Reed Richards thing. They made changes to Ultron and Thanos like Dark Raven said and it's not like he's Loki where the fact that he's Thor's "brother" matters.

The Avengers messed with time and Kang isn't happy about it. That's my theory

It’s interesting. Months before Kang was reported to be in this movie there was actually a report that Marvel initially wanted to introduce the Fantastic Four in Ant-Man 3, before that was scrapped in favor of the Young Avengers.


Now we know Kang, who does have history with the Fantastic Four and is literally a descendant of two FF members in the comics is making an appearance in Ant-Man 3. Could there be some connection there? Kang could make mention of his distant ancestor from the comics in the movie.

 

[MbJ]

Iron Lad may appear. Especially since he had a romance with Cassie in the first YA volume.

 

[chamber-music]

Given there's a millenium separating Reed from Kang in the comics, it's not as though the two are closely related anyway. It's like finding out that Wong is a descendant of Genghis Khan. Who cares?

Yep it doesn't really mean much. The Genghis Khan thing was a pointless brag with the Mandarin. Being Descended from Genghis Khan isn't a rare thing, it's the same with Europeans and Charlemagne.

 

[Detective Conan]

Credit: Arkintyagi

 

[MCU King]

Reed and Sue could definitely both be White, and have a 'Black' descendant down the line. Even if it's only 100 years later, or even 50.

The majority of us here will likely have descendants who don't look like the same race as us.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I truly dont think Kang being related to Reed or anyone in the mcu is integral to his character. Just make the actions of the avengers enough of a motivation to travel back with an axe to grind.

 

[MCU King]

Kang being related to Reed is something they can reveal down the line once they've established the F4.

 

[metaphysician]

Reed and Sue could definitely both be White, and have a 'Black' descendant down the line. Even if it's only 100 years later, or even 50.

The majority of us here will likely have descendants who don't look like the same race as us.

For that matter, what "race" even means will almost certainly be different centuries down the line. Not that people will stop defining each other in part by skin color and ancestry ( we probably will ), but that the boundaries, benchmarks, and definitions will shift. After all, just a little over a century ago, the Irish were considered to be "black" by the English, and "hispanic" was not particularly a thing that existed as such.

 

[Crimz]

Someone said they can see Marvel combining Kang and Nathaniel Richards (Reed's father) into one character using aspects from both. They both have the same name and are both time travelers.
I could see Marvel doing that to bring more personal stakes if he were ever to go up against the FF.

 

[Detective Conan]

Someone said they can see Marvel combining Kang and Nathaniel Richards (Reed's father) into one character using aspects from both. They both have the same name and are both time travelers.
I could see Marvel doing that to bring more personal stakes if he were ever to go up against the FF.

Yeah, Kang could be Reed’s long lost father and both Reed and Kang could come from the far far future, and Reed has come from the future to the present or past to stop Kang (who he doesn’t know is his father) from wiping out the Avengers from the timeline.

But will we get a “Luke, I am your father” moment with Kang and Reed, if they were to meet up then?

 

[Detective Conan]

I need this scene in the MCU please.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Whats the context though?

 

[Dark Raven]

Whats the context though?

Probably realising they look identical. If the film were based on a John Byrne storyline then everyone would definitely look identical.

 

[chamber-music]

I'm not really sold on Reed with daddy issues.

Reed and Sue could definitely both be White, and have a 'Black' down the line. Even if it's only 100 years later, or even 50.

The majority of us here will likely have descendants who don't look like the same race as us.

Yep. I think it is bizarre to think every single descendant of yours will be the same 'race'. A thousand years from now you could easily have descendants from multiple races. Our whole concept on things like racial identity will no doubt be very different in a thousand years. Just look how much societies views have change on things like gender, race and sexuality in the last 100 years.

 

[Marvel united]

Someone said they can see Marvel combining Kang and Nathaniel Richards (Reed's father) into one character using aspects from both. They both have the same name and are both time travelers.
I could see Marvel doing that to bring more personal stakes if he were ever to go up against the FF.

I'm not even sure if these two aren't the same person in the source material. I've read quite a few stories with or about Kang, and I still find him(/her in some instances) to be a confusing character. There are many versions of Kang throughout different timelines and even dimensions..

As far as I'm sure, and from what I remember, prime Kang aka Nathanial Richards (the original one who goes back the first time) is Reed's distant descendant. He first goes back to ancient Egypt and rules with advanced technology as Rama Tut (En Sabah Nur aka Apocalypse was also involved). The F4 defeat him and he goes to the present and is defeated by the Avengers. He tries to go back to his timeline (30th century) but overshoots and ends up in the 40th century. That's when he assumes the mantle of Kang the Conqueror and conquers the post-apocalyptic Earth with ease.

Marvel will probably have to streamline his story a bit. Here's a rough mockup of Majors as Kang

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