Old MCU Fantastic Four Discussion Thread

[Crimz]

I hope the films (and comics) develop the others more and have more to their character. There can be lots of lengthy discussion's on Reed's personality, characterization, and motivations while most descriptions of Sue don't go beyond "kind and motherly".....

They will likely make her a doctor or something as well as actually give her a much needed personality.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I hope the films (and comics) develop the others more and have more to their character. There can be lots of lengthy discussion's on Reed's personality, characterization, and motivations while most descriptions of Sue don't go beyond "kind and motherly".....

They will likely make her a doctor or something as well as actually give her a much needed personality.

I think Sue is a necessarily more "boring" than the others, but the key is not to change her but rather show how important that is.

Sue is calm and rational and level-headed. The other characters are more exaggerated caricatures flying off in different directions.

Sue doesn't swing wildly to extremes. She integrates the far-flung nature of situations and other characters, maintains her cool and figures out the best balance.

That "balance" might seem boring, but in reality, it's the key characteristic of any great manager in any organization.

 

[Crimz]

I think Sue is a necessarily more "boring" than the others, but the key is not to change her but rather show how important that is.

Sue is calm and rational and level-headed. The other characters are more exaggerated caricatures flying off in different directions.

Sue doesn't swing wildly to extremes. She integrates the far-flung nature of situations and other characters, maintains her cool and figures out the best balance.

That "balance" might seem boring, but in reality, it's the key characteristic of any great manager in any organization.

She doesn't have to be as exaggerated as the others, but there is no excuse for the sheer lack of personality and no character should be boring. She has no interests, no defining personality traits, nothing that makes her stand out. She can balance the other three personalities while having her own interesting one. Sue has the potential to be a really interesting character in her own right and it's quite frankly a failure of the comics that she isn't already. That should and has to change as it will be glaring obvious on film how much she takes a backseat compared to the others.

The worst thing a character can be is boring.

 

[GoblinScrier]

https://www.deviantart.com/skinnyglasses/art/Fantastic-Four-Concept-310901233

Love that image of Patrick Wilson as Richards..he would be a great choice too!!!!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think a lot can be mined just from presenting Sue in her position as the one that is forced to be the member with the burden of having to be the practical and level headed team member. She doesn't have to be a scientist to be integral or interesting in my mind. She can be presented as the one with a TON of pressure on her to balance everyone else's problems. If this is a family then she is the matriarch and ask any mother what it's like trying to balance everything, now add in super powers and threats from other dimensions. There is stuff to be mined there that can be engaging and compelling. Frankly I kinda always thought Sue should be the one that runs the FF's charitable foundation and handles the groups public relations early on, before she has her first child anyway. She's the one that keeps the group grounded but that can also be presented in a way where we are given insights into how that affects her. She also is the most powerful member of the group in terms of what she can do with her super powers so how does that also play into things? There is lots to use I think if they approach it right. Sue can have a lot going on dramatically I think.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

https://www.deviantart.com/skinnyglasses/art/Fantastic-Four-Concept-310901233

Love that image of Patrick Wilson as Richards..he would be a great choice too!!!!

I wouldn't be opposed but now that he's joined the Disney family... I am really on the Matt Smith train.

 

[terry78]

Sue was always the one most susceptible to brainwash manipulation and what not because she wasn't as crazed as the other three as far as when they got too vested in their own personal ****. It's kind of a cliche "women are wiser" trope, but that's how they been using her.

 

[Dark Raven]

Sue was always the one most susceptible to brainwash manipulation and what not because she wasn't as crazed as the other three as far as when they got too vested in their own personal ****. It's kind of a cliche "women are wiser" trope, but that's how they been using her.

I don't know if she was more susceptible per se. I think it was more that she was portrayed as the damsel in distress who needed saving, at least from the 60s to the early 80s.

Of course, when Byrne came along, he used that same trope to bring out Malice and unleash her darker side, and then move her from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman.

But Byrne did seem to be into things like torture, as he would even put She-Hulk into those situations where she was not only physically assaulted but mentally manipulated too.

 

[Marvel united]

I wouldn't be opposed but now that he's joined the Disney family... I am really on the Matt Smith train.

https://www.deviantart.com/skinnyglasses/art/Fantastic-Four-Concept-310901233

Love that image of Patrick Wilson as Richards..he would be a great choice too!!!!

He's a little too old now

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think a lot can be mined just from presenting Sue in her position as the one that is forced to be the member with the burden of having to be the practical and level headed team member. She doesn't have to be a scientist to be integral or interesting in my mind. She can be presented as the one with a TON of pressure on her to balance everyone else's problems. If this is a family then she is the matriarch and ask any mother what it's like trying to balance everything, now add in super powers and threats from other dimensions. There is stuff to be mined there that can be engaging and compelling. Frankly I kinda always thought Sue should be the one that runs the FF's charitable foundation and handles the groups public relations early on, before she has her first child anyway. She's the one that keeps the group grounded but that can also be presented in a way where we are given insights into how that affects her. She also is the most powerful member of the group in terms of what she can do with her super powers so how does that also play into things? There is lots to use I think if they approach it right. Sue can have a lot going on dramatically I think.

I think any talented writer can make Sue an interesting character - particularly given the other characters and situations.

Characters don't need to be cartoonish or exaggerated to be interesting.

As you mention, she's incredibly powerful and that power in a simple, real character is, by itself, great raw material for a talented writer.

Surround her with the other members of the FF and crazy, out of this world situations and settings, and it's absolute gold.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

He's a little too old now

Yeah, I think at 45, right now, at this moment, he's borderline, but in another five years (which is probably a realistic time we'll have to wait for the first movie), he'll be 50 at the start, and yeah, that's getting too old.

Ideally, with the way these things work, I'd like see them cast someone a little younger who could play older - say a 30 year old who could play 35-37 - so that over, hopefully, a fifteen - twenty year period of great movies, they'll stay in the meaty portion of the age range.

I do like someone in that mold though, so if we could find "a younger Patrick Wilson", I'd be on-board.

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah, I think at 45, right now, at this moment, he's borderline, but in another five years (which is probably a realistic time we'll have to wait for the first movie), he'll be 50 at the start, and yeah, that's getting too old.

Ideally, with the way these things work, I'd like see them cast someone a little younger who could play older - say a 30 year old who could play 35-37 - so that over, hopefully, a fifteen - twenty year period of great movies, they'll stay in the meaty portion of the age range.

I do like someone in that mold though, so if we could find "a younger Patrick Wilson", I'd be on-board.

A 30 year old would be good long-term but I think it would be too close to Miles Teller' Reed Richards whom was 30 playing a 17 year old. Now, of course- you could get a 30 year old that looks older but I think I would would prefer Reed to be in his late 30s in the MCU. I think looking at Marvel's track record, Reed will probably be cast around the same age as Boseman, Downey, Bettany and Cumberbatch i.e late 30s early 40s. So if the actor starts the franchise at 39-42, he'll be 49-52 after a good 10 or 13 years.

But if they could find someone who is 30 with the gravitas that Reed is supoose to have, I'm game. Marvel is basically casting the next 15-20 years of the MCU on these actors after all

 

[2kt09]

A 30 year old would be good long-term but I think it would be too close to Miles Teller' Reed Richards whom was 30 playing a 17 year old. Now, of course- you could get a 30 year old that looks older but I think I would would prefer Reed to be in his late 30s in the MCU. I think looking at Marvel's track record, Reed will probably be cast around the same age as Boseman, Downey, Bettany and Cumberbatch i.e late 30s early 40s. So if the actor starts the franchise at 39-42, he'll be 49-52 after a good 10 or 13 years.

But if they could find someone who is 30 with the gravitas that Reed is supoose to have, I'm game. Marvel is basically casting the next 15-20 years of the MCU on these actors after all

I was under the impression like the Ultimate comics, everyone was intended to be of college age - in their 20s. They could potentially go as old as Paul Rudd if they want to go straight into the family angle rather than two best buds meeting two siblings for the first time.

 

[Marvel united]

I was under the impression like the Ultimate comics, everyone was intended to be of college age - in their 20s. They could potentially go as old as Paul Rudd if they want to go straight into the family angle rather than two best buds meeting two siblings for the first time.

I think they were suppose to be high-school kids in Trank's film. They were at a HS science fair before Storm picked them up.

I don't think they should go as old as Paul Rudd unless the actor for Reed has an anti-aging serum like Rudd. They can have a 39 year old Reed that has known Sue for 4 or 5 years. Stuff like them getting married and having a family should be saved for future films and built up and developed as Reed and Sue's relationship progresses through the films. Franklin Richards is something I could see coming into play by the third film

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

A 30 year old would be good long-term but I think it would be too close to Miles Teller' Reed Richards whom was 30 playing a 17 year old. Now, of course- you could get a 30 year old that looks older but I think I would would prefer Reed to be in his late 30s in the MCU. I think looking at Marvel's track record, Reed will probably be cast around the same age as Boseman, Downey, Bettany and Cumberbatch i.e late 30s early 40s. So if the actor starts the franchise at 39-42, he'll be 49-52 after a good 10 or 13 years.

But if they could find someone who is 30 with the gravitas that Reed is supoose to have, I'm game. Marvel is basically casting the next 15-20 years of the MCU on these actors after all

I agree.

I believe Jon Hamm was about 34-35 when he filmed the first season of Mad Men, and Michael Fassbender was 33-34 when he filmed First Class. I think a 30 year old Jon Hamm or Michael Fassbender could have pulled it off while Miles Teller couldn't pull it off at any age.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I was under the impression like the Ultimate comics, everyone was intended to be of college age - in their 20s. They could potentially go as old as Paul Rudd if they want to go straight into the family angle rather than two best buds meeting two siblings for the first time.

The Ultimate comics have already gotten FAR more screen time than those crappy versions deserved from Fox.

I want to see the real FF, not that weak s*** again.

I seriously had a nightmare once in which Noah Hawley Made his Doom film and Doom had goat legs and a ratty blanket as a cape.

 

[2kt09]

The Ultimate comics have already gotten FAR more screen time than those crappy versions deserved from Fox.

I want to see the real FF, not that weak s*** again.

I seriously had a nightmare once in which Noah Hawley Made his Doom film and Doom had goat legs and a ratty blanket as a cape.

lol, I'd be down for it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I agree.

I believe Jon Hamm was about 34-35 when he filmed the first season of Mad Men, and Michael Fassbender was 33-34 when he filmed First Class. I think a 30 year old Jon Hamm or Michael Fassbender could have pulled it off while Miles Teller couldn't pull it off at any age.

Yeah it's not just about age but also other factors. Imagine Teller coming back every 10 years to try to get into an MCU movie but being consistently turned down.

 

[Frankeh]

What about Brit Marling for Sue?

 

[Dark Raven]

lol, I'd be down for it.

That's what most of the FFINO defenders also said.

 

[Detective Conan]

Ultimate Fantastic Four had Reed turn into a villain called 'The Maker' and had Sue and Ben marry each other.

Not exactly the best source material to draw upon for your FF film. It's easily the weakest of the Ultimate line though the Ultimatum takes that designation as the 'worst'.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ultimate Fantastic Four had Reed turn into a villain called 'The Maker' and had Sue and Ben marry each other.

Not exactly the best source material to draw upon for your FF film. It's easily the weakest of the Ultimate line though the Ultimatum takes that designation as the 'worst'.

As a nod to all the Ultimate universe, they could have everyone from there appear in a cameo if there's ever a universe-hopping story. Someone can briefly cross over and see Reed as villain, Sue and Ben rocking it in bed, Hulk eating people, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver doing their twincest thing, Cap being racist, Hank Pym being a wife beater, Doom with his goat legs trying to cross a bridge with a troll underneath and so on.

The character can breathe a huge sigh of relief that it's not their universe and doesn't have to spend anymore time in that nightmare world.

 

[Darkprime]

A quiet place sequel has been given a May 2020 release date wonder what this means for Krasinski's chances as Reed.

https://www.thewrap.com/quiet-place-sequel-gets-2020-release-date/

 

[Dark Raven]

Top Gun 2 has also been given a June 2020 release date. Wonder what this means for Miles Teller coming back as Reed.

 

[Darkprime]

Top Gun 2 has also been given a June 2020 release date. Wonder what this means for Miles Teller coming back as Reed.

The movie will be close to entering production by may 2020 if it isnt already by that point this could rule out krasinski. Assuming their aiming for a 2021 release.