Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 2

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

He doesn't kill his childs.
He kills only people.

and he believes his children are lost, he isn't going to kill any of them.

 

[Matt]

I thought Isaac did well, but overall, I was kind of disappointed with Apoc. Not quite sure what it was, but I do feel like he wasn't very imposing for the most part. I would have liked to have seen him go hand to hand with some of the X-men; just bat them around like it was nothing. And it's minor, but he was too short. They should have added a few inches to him to make him more physically imposing. he was shorter than half of his horsemen, lol.

I think Isaac did well with what he had, but I think he was miscast.

 

[Schlosser85]

I thought it was nothing role like Eccleston as Malekith, where they could have stuck any one of like ten different actors in there and it wouldn't have made much difference.

 

[Raiden]

I thought it was nothing role like Eccleston as Malekith, where they could have stuck any one of like ten different actors in there and it wouldn't have made much difference.

Yeah, Apocalypse is really just an improved Malekith.

 

[Mjölnir]

and he believes his children are lost, he isn't going to kill any of them.

That's not true. Apart from that he clearly intended to have a defeated Quicksilver executed, and that he kills mutants to prolong his life and get new powers, his plan involved the probable killing of millions of mutants as only the strongest (that is the ones that managed to survive) deserve to live in his new world. Tons of mutants have no better way to survive that attack than a human.

 

[DarkSouls]

All in all, I thought Apocalypse was done really well but was only held up because of Oscar Isaac. As a villain, way better than Lex Luthor and Baron (Captain?) Zemo. However, given that Apocalypse is basically the same character as Thanos and Darkseid, this should give a glimpse as how those might play out. It might be even more difficult for Thanos being motion capture. With only Apocalypse's voice being altered and even then not always, Isaac was able "act" out most of it. With motion capture its a team effort where while Brolin does have a large part to play, the performance isn't all his.

This was all Isaac's performance. I loved when the car bumps into him and he starts to realize how much the world has changed. He was seductive, made to seem powerful. People might've been like, "Magneto did all the destruction", but the way it seemed like was - if he made Magneto stronger, then how powerful is he? Then he makes Quicksilver look like a little *****, gets stronger when Magneto attacks him by creating that giant wave of energy, easily dispatches Mystique and Beast.

It made sense that this wasn't a guy that they could take out just physically. They needed to attack him on two planes of existence and even then, they only won when Jean Grey attacked a weakened Apocalypse.

I'd love to see Oscar Isaac return to this role in a future movie where's it's explained that he survived on the Astral Plane. Of course they might mix him in with Shadow King then, but I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world given Apopcalypse's connection to Storm. Or, given that he was connected to Xavier, Apocalypse could somehow cause Onslaught's creation.

But... what did you guys think "All is Revealed" meant?

 

[Raiden]

All in all, I thought Apocalypse was done really well but was only held up because of Oscar Isaac. As a villain, way better than Lex Luthor and Baron (Captain?) Zemo. However, given that Apocalypse is basically the same character as Thanos and Darkseid, this should give a glimpse as how those might play out. It might be even more difficult for Thanos being motion capture. With only Apocalypse's voice being altered and even then not always, Isaac was able "act" out most of it. With motion capture its a team effort where while Brolin does have a large part to play, the performance isn't all his.

Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy? Both Groot and Rocket were CGI characters and both are more compelling than Apocalypse in terms of conveying emotions and feelings with just the voice actors and a team of CGI artist behind them.

 

[Havok83]

Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy? Both Groot and Rocket were CGI characters and both are more compelling than Apocalypse in terms of conveying emotions and feelings with just the voice actors and a team of CGI artist behind them.

I dont see what CGI has to do with anything. Both are drastically different characters than Apocalypse. They should be conveying emotions differently. Apocalypse isnt really an expressive character

 

[Mutant 77]

Question about Apocalypse's demise:

Spoiler

I'm a bit disappointed that the Phoenix incinerating Apocalypse looked so anti-climatic and QUICK as scene.

I mean:

Apocalypse just says "All is revealed" and then?
I don't remember seeing him finally exploding or melting in a spectacular and climatic/dramatic way.
It felt a bit rushed IMHO.

Or I don't remember it very well???

 

[DarkSouls]

Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy? Both Groot and Rocket were CGI characters and both are more compelling than Apocalypse in terms of conveying emotions and feelings with just the voice actors and a team of CGI artist behind them.

That's not the point I was making. My point relates to moreover the actual characters of Apocalypse and Thanos being difficult to adapt regardless of CGI and how CGI might make it more difficult and more bland even if it looks better. Besides, if you're picking expressive CGI characters, why would you pick Rocket? Caesar is probably the best example.

 

[DACrowe]

Why would he go hand to hand with the X-Men when he could just turn them all into dust without laying a finger on any of them?

I think if he grew into a giant in the real world too, right after Mystique slashes him, he goes into "you're ****ed mode" it would have been more impressive that the Phoenix destroyed him. I also think there needed to be a scene of him actually judging someone as unfit to live. We saw him kill a bunch of people, but actually if he killed Caliban in a very cruel way while explaining his philosophy on life and the world, and how if he will not be worshipped by the weak, then they shall bend the knee into dust or something... it would have gone a long way at both explaining his motivations and his threat levels. Oh well.

 

[DACrowe]

I thought it was nothing role like Eccleston as Malekith, where they could have stuck any one of like ten different actors in there and it wouldn't have made much difference.

Other than the missile scene it was written that way. It is a credit to Isaac that he did not phone it in. He played it well, but you are right, there was not much there beyond his big speech about weapons and governments. What a waste.

 

[TeeKay]

He doesn't kill his childs.
He kills only people.

Riiiighht like when he kills other mutants and take over this bodies and powers? Oh like when he wanted to have Quicksilver executed? Come on now.

 

[terry78]

All in all, I thought Apocalypse was done really well but was only held up because of Oscar Isaac. As a villain, way better than Lex Luthor and Baron (Captain?) Zemo. However, given that Apocalypse is basically the same character as Thanos and Darkseid, this should give a glimpse as how those might play out. It might be even more difficult for Thanos being motion capture. With only Apocalypse's voice being altered and even then not always, Isaac was able "act" out most of it. With motion capture its a team effort where while Brolin does have a large part to play, the performance isn't all his.

This was all Isaac's performance. I loved when the car bumps into him and he starts to realize how much the world has changed. He was seductive, made to seem powerful. People might've been like, "Magneto did all the destruction", but the way it seemed like was - if he made Magneto stronger, then how powerful is he? Then he makes Quicksilver look like a little *****, gets stronger when Magneto attacks him by creating that giant wave of energy, easily dispatches Mystique and Beast.

It made sense that this wasn't a guy that they could take out just physically. They needed to attack him on two planes of existence and even then, they only won when Jean Grey attacked a weakened Apocalypse.

I'd love to see Oscar Isaac return to this role in a future movie where's it's explained that he survived on the Astral Plane. Of course they might mix him in with Shadow King then, but I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world given Apopcalypse's connection to Storm. Or, given that he was connected to Xavier, Apocalypse could somehow cause Onslaught's creation.

But... what did you guys think "All is Revealed" meant?

Spoiler

I think he finally found out who the strongest was, and that she was able to surpass him. I suspect he knows that she will become Phoenix as well and knows she can cleanse the world.

 

[Warhammer]

I agree that the "All is revealed" line is definitely about [blackout]Jean Grey.[/blackout]

As for Apocalypse himself, he was such a lame villain. Other than getting rid of Earth's nuclear weapons, he was such a disappointment. The reviews were right.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

What a disappointment!

Apocalypse is such a grandiose character and Oscar Isaac is a fantastic actor so I was really excited, but they completely wasted him with the boring writing.

All his lines were either boring or cheesy and the delivery didn't have the epic gravity you'd expect from a character like Apocalypse. His look was weird and he had some really awful scenes too (absorbing the TV LOL).

They really didn't make him charismatic enough to convince the horsemen to join him. I really don't understand why any of them did.

 

[DarkSouls]

So after having had read one of Isaac's interviews, I've figured out what he meant by "All is Revealed". Pretty much in Greek, the word Apocalypse means 'To Reveal' and that ties into the Survival of the Fittest motif. By challenging the X-Men and the humans to fight he and his Horsemen, Apocalypse was testing whether or not he had chosen the strongest to be by his side or not. When he lost, saying "All is Revealed" was his way of saying that he is no longer the strongest and that because he's not the strongest anymore, he doesn't deserve to win since it's been revealed that the X-Men are now stronger.

 

[Jekecy]

They really didn't make him charismatic enough to convince the horsemen to join him. I really don't understand why any of them did.

I'm more curious why he even needed them in the first place. Isn't his shtick that he's all-powerful and practically has all the powers most mutants have?

Let's say he did need his Horsemen: Storm, Psylocke, and Angel, were incredibly poor choices from a combative standpoint given how he could transport anywhere in the world and choose far more skilled and gifted mutants.

 

[Mad Ones]

Storm follows him because she doesn't know any other mutants and he cares about her.
Psylocke follows him because she's already violent and amoral.
Angel follows him because he was used by humans and depressed because his wing was broken.

All three of them needed their motivations fleshed out more, but traces exist.

I guess in the comics Apocalypse needs four horsemen because they each represent a different form of catastrophe to end the world. But even sometimes in the comics I don't know why there are four horsemen.

 

[DACrowe]

Having now rewatched the movie I take away a chunk of my criticism about Apocalypse.

He was still not given enough material, and Kinberg specifically let Isaac down, but his performance through the makeup is actually pretty damn great. He unfortunately is not given much to do beyond his speeches (with the one great one being the missile scene). But Isaac's facial expressions and reactions specifically to Charles Xavier are hilarious, subtle and very well done.

He is still not a great villain, but Isaac was very, very good and elevated weak writing to being a solid villain if not an amazing one. I also think he is better than almost all of the MCU's villains. But that is not saying much, nor does it mean Apocalypse is one of the great comic book movie villains. But he was an effective one, which is all a credit to the actor in this case.

 

[psyonic]

I'm more curious why he even needed them in the first place. Isn't his shtick that he's all-powerful and practically has all the powers most mutants have?

Let's say he did need his Horsemen: Storm, Psylocke, and Angel, were incredibly poor choices from a combative standpoint given how he could transport anywhere in the world and choose far more skilled and gifted mutants.

BECAUSE SIMON KINBERG CAN'T WRITE! He also said Psylocke was a last minute replacement for Xavier being a Horsemen as originally planned. She makes no sense at all as a Horsemen and didn't do ANYTHING except suggest another loser Angel to be a Horseman.

My friend and I joked during the movie how Apocalypse probably regret using up his Horsemen slots on Psylocke and Angel after he meets Xavier and Jean xD

 

[psyonic]

Having now rewatched the movie I take away a chunk of my criticism about Apocalypse.

He was still not given enough material, and Kinberg specifically let Isaac down, but his performance through the makeup is actually pretty damn great. He unfortunately is not given much to do beyond his speeches (with the one great one being the missile scene). But Isaac's facial expressions and reactions specifically to Charles Xavier are hilarious, subtle and very well done.

He is still not a great villain, but Isaac was very, very good and elevated weak writing to being a solid villain if not an amazing one. I also think he is better than almost all of the MCU's villains. But that is not saying much, nor does it mean Apocalypse is one of the great comic book movie villains. But he was an effective one, which is all a credit to the actor in this case.

The "You are beneath me" look he gave Xavier when he changed his telepathic message xD lmao

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I really enjoyed him. I would prefer comic book/90's cartoon apocalypse but he was still good.

 

[Corysxj88]

I thought Oscar Isaac did such an amazing job as Apocalypse. I was happy that his voice and tone stayed throughout the movie... unlike characters like Ultron, where the scariest part of his voice was in the trailers...

 

[Mjölnir]

I thought Oscar Isaac did such an amazing job as Apocalypse. I was happy that his voice and tone stayed throughout the movie... unlike characters like Ultron, where the scariest part of his voice was in the trailers...

That's interesting that you had that view of his voice since I thought they changed the effect of it plenty of times. It never sounded good either, which with the boring and cheesy dialogue shot down any chance for Isaac to do a good job imo.

I can't agree with some previous poster saying that he had subtle expressions either. Despite being calm I felt he acted quite big, so to speak, but I don't have any problem with that in itself for a character like this. If he looked better it would have worked better too, imo.