Our "Space Princess": David Corenswet IS Clark Kent/Superman!

[DKDetective]

Even hotter take: I don't like either.

I also think For All Seasons is one of the most overrated Supes stories out there. But then, I don't like Loeb's writing in general. Sale's artwork made Long Halloween enjoyable for me in spite of Loeb, but his work on Supes, not so much.

I don't particularly love either for their writing, but I do enjoy the art in both, well except for how Sale draws Lois.

Sucks is a bit of an overstatement for me. It’s solid, but a bit overrated in my opinion. Maybe a top 10 Batman comic for me, but definitely not in the top 5. And For All Seasons is not top 10 Superman. Actually, it might not crack the top 20 Superman comics. There are so many more that I really love.

Yeah, honestly, if I had to pick a Loeb/Sale Batman story it would be the Haunted Knight Halloween specials (which do a great job of doing a Christmas Carole-type story about Bruce realizing he needed to do more as Bruce Wayne) or Dark Victory for how it portrays the rise of the freaks and Bruce finding a found family in Dick after losing Harvey Dent. The central mystery is once again over plotted, ridiculous garbage, but I think it does good work in terms of Bruce's character arc and in modernizing Robin's origin.

 

[Sawyer]

There are simply too many takes in this thread.

 

[flickchick85]

There are simply too many takes in this thread.

Don’t like our hot takes? What can I say,

 

[Sawyer]

Don’t like our hot takes? What can I say,

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[Jack Reacher]

I'm looking forward to Corenswet. He may be the final official Superman actor as we know it.

A lot of big changes for Superman in the 2030s. He becomes public domain, so theoretically Kevin Feige could do a Marvel Superman film.

And Realistic AI (check out the Sora App) is making it so there may not be a need for a physical actor in the role by the 2030s. They could generate someone with a comic-accurate look for the character and it could look seamless by then. Or an actor could have their appearance altered using AI. Interesting times ahead.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm looking forward to Corenswet. He may be the final official Superman actor as we know it.

A lot of big changes for Superman in the 2030s. He becomes public domain, so theoretically Kevin Feige could do a Marvel Superman film.

And Realistic AI (check out the Sora App) is making it so there may not be a need for a physical actor in the role by the 2030s. They could generate someone with a comic-accurate look for the character and it could look seamless by then. Or an actor could have their appearance altered using AI. Interesting times ahead.

Ron Howard Narrator Voice: He wouldn’t be.

Try as they might, AI stuff is consistently unwatchable and where the public domain is concerned, it’s important to remember, that doesn’t automatically grant anyone the ability to make the same kind of project that DC could do at this very moment. Superman as he existed in 1938 enters the public domain. Flying? Still not on the table. Rogues gallery? Don’t even think about it. A good 80-90% of his supporting cast? Still years away. Instead, you’ve got a Superman who can leap and is busy swatting around common crooks. Which could still be enjoyable, but I doubt it’ll be catnip for Disney or the others. Instead, you’re probably just going to see the kind of cheap, dog**** horror projects that Winnie the Pooh and Mickey Mouse are currently attracting.

 

[B]

I'm looking forward to Corenswet. He may be the final official Superman actor as we know it.

A lot of big changes for Superman in the 2030s. He becomes public domain, so theoretically Kevin Feige could do a Marvel Superman film.

And Realistic AI (check out the Sora App) is making it so there may not be a need for a physical actor in the role by the 2030s. They could generate someone with a comic-accurate look for the character and it could look seamless by then. Or an actor could have their appearance altered using AI. Interesting times ahead.

I was reading about this the other day after I'd heard Mickey Mouse was entering public domain & noticed Superman on the list, in theory Marvel could do a Superman film, but it wouldn't be anything really like the modern day Superman as it only covers how the character was in his initial inception, a lot of the things that were added/changed & the things that really fleshed out the character, can't be used. At least that's my understanding anyway.

Forget AI, I've been waiting for years for namely DC to start making full length movies that look as good as their cinematics for some games;





EDIT - Actually forget the DCUO game cinematic, it now looks kinda dated.

 

[Jack Reacher]

As each year goes by after 2034, more of Superman will become public domain. And you could definitely do an amazing story based off the 1938 Action Comics Version. We still have all the fundamentals; Krypton, Orphan, Loving adopted parents, most of his superpowers, the suit, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, Metropolis. The character's ideology is still there. One could come up with original villains around him, with the right talent involved.

The AI... we're getting there. How long before actors will have the option start to augment their appearances on film using AI to look younger, older, bulkier, thinner, taller, shorter, more superheroic, etc ? By the 2030s, we're there.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

As each year goes by after 2034, more of Superman will become public domain. And you could definitely do an amazing story based off the 1938 Action Comics Version. We still have all the fundamentals; Krypton, Orphan, Loving adopted parents, most of his superpowers, the suit, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, Metropolis. The character's ideology is still there. One could come up with original villains around him, with the right talent involved.

The AI... we're getting there. How long before actors will have the option start to augment their appearances on film using AI to look younger, older, bulkier, thinner, taller, shorter, more superheroic, etc ? By the 2030s, we're there.

And then movies are no longer worth making and should be abandoned. That's the end of the story, imo. Inhuman, machine generated trash unworthy of anyone's time.

 

[Sawyer]

Also, where public domain is concerned, it should be noted that Captain America is only two years behind Supes. If Marvel wants to get in on the Superman game, turnabout it fair play.

 

[Boom]

It's also worth pointing out that it's Superman in his first original incarnation. No flight, no Kryptonite, no Jimmy Olsen.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah, Marvel isn't going to do a Superman movie. That's just silly lol. The "officially licensed" Superman stuff will still feel like the valid, legit take for a long ass time until we're deep in public domain territory. I don't even think that should be the case necessarily, but it will be.

 

[emielaen]

Those first couple years will be goofy **** like the WInnie the Pooh and Mickey Mouse garbage horror movies. That is nothing to worry or even think about tbh. WB or DC or whoever owns DC aren't gonna bat an eye about it. No major studio is gonna touch it.

 

[Sawyer]

It's also worth pointing out that it's Superman in his first original incarnation. No flight, no Kryptonite, no Jimmy Olsen.

And we’d still be a few years shy of Superman’s parents being brought into the fold. You know the ones… Eben and Sarah Kent?

 

[Jack Reacher]

And then movies are no longer worth making and should be abandoned. That's the end of the story, imo. Inhuman, machine generated trash unworthy of anyone's time.

There's always a human behind the development of such 'machine-generated' material.

This won't just affect the film/entertainment industry. A ton of jobs will be made redundant by AI in the years to come. From news anchors to white collar jobs.

Having digital actors in play really doesn't diminish the quality of the film. The tech isn't there yet, but it's on track. By the 2030s, we could finally see Alex Ross artwork come to life onscreen for example.

Also, where public domain is concerned, it should be noted that Captain America is only two years behind Supes. If Marvel wants to get in on the Superman game, turnabout it fair play.

That could happen.

Knowing Feige, he'd want to beat WB to the punch. "Superman VS Hulk" or you could literally have 38' Superman join The Avengers.

Endless possibilities with public domain.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

There's always a human behind the development of such 'machine-generated' material.

This won't just affect the film/entertainment industry. A ton of jobs will be made redundant by AI in the years to come. From news anchors to white collar jobs.

Having digital actors in play really doesn't diminish the quality of the film. The tech isn't there yet, but it's on track. By the 2030s, we could finally see Alex Ross artwork come to life onscreen for example.

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Yes it does. The point of acting and art is the human involvement. Who the **** cares about Alex Ross art being vomited out of a computer? It’s not like that’s anything human animators can’t accomplish.

 

[Jack Reacher]

Yes it does. The point of acting and art is the human involvement. Who the **** cares about Alex Ross art being vomited out of a computer? It’s not like that’s anything human animators can’t accomplish.

There will be classical, traditional directors like Nolan that will continue the practical route.

However, it's hard to believe that AI (if it continues to advance at this rate, check out OPEN AI) won't play a huge impact on the film industry.

Even when it comes to superhero films, we focus so much on the appearance of the actor/actress for the specific role. Future AI technology could believably alter them to look like Wonder Woman, Superman etc

 

[7heBoss]

Yes it does. The point of acting and art is the human involvement. Who the **** cares about Alex Ross art being vomited out of a computer? It’s not like that’s anything human animators can’t accomplish.

This seems like sort of a "I resist change" take and I don't understand where you arbitrarily draw the line. Like when you watch a 3d animated movie, do you get frustrated that there are no real actors? It isn't stop motion, animators didn't hand draw individual frames from scratch. You have movies like WALL-E that have practically no voice acting. These movies were all made on computers, so at what point do you feel the computer doing too much?

Pretty much all movies these days are impossible to make without the aid of computers with all the visual effects/CGI, color correction and grading, editing, sound design and mixing. AI is just going to be another tool that people can use. At what point do you say, "Computers aren't allowed to help you with that though..."

 

[elgaz]

Yeah, Marvel isn't going to do a Superman movie. That's just silly lol. The "officially licensed" Superman stuff will still feel like the valid, legit take for a long ass time until we're deep in public domain territory. I don't even think that should be the case necessarily, but it will be.

This. I would argue also that many comic book movies now only get financed/made because of the merchandising options attached, and I'm sure there will still be many legalities to consider when it comes to that crucial aspect - should Marvel decide they wanted to tackle a property which was formerly held by another studio.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

This seems like sort of a "I resist change" take and I don't understand where you arbitrarily draw the line. Like when you watch a 3d animated movie, do you get frustrated that there are no real actors? It isn't stop motion, animators didn't hand draw individual frames from scratch. You have movies like WALL-E that have practically no voice acting. These movies were all made on computers, so at what point do you feel the computer doing too much?

Pretty much all movies these days are impossible to make without the aid of computers with all the visual effects/CGI, color correction and grading, editing, sound design and mixing. AI is just going to be another tool that people can use. At what point do you say, "Computers aren't allowed to help you with that though..."

I "arbitrarily" draw the line at technology that will eliminate the need to employ actual artists. When it comes to things like writing or acting it is inherently uninteresting and disgustingly inhuman to me to even contemplate watching a piece of "art" that is just pure computer vomit, what's the point of art if you aren't experiencing the actual work of actual people?

 

[7heBoss]

I "arbitrarily" draw the line at technology that will eliminate the need to employ actual artists. When it comes to things like writing or acting it is inherently uninteresting and disgustingly inhuman to me to even contemplate watching a piece of "art" that is just pure computer vomit, what's the point of art if you aren't experiencing the actual work of actual people?

I'm just trying to understand. I get that you aren't trying to displace the jobs of writers and storytellers. I don't think anyone is hoping for a future where an executive can type into an AI prompt, 'Make a 90-minute Superman movie with 3 action scenes and funny quips. Also need marketable characters for action figures.'

But what about situations like young Luke Skywalker in Mandalorian vs. Book of Boba Fett? I feel like most people would agree that he looks way better in BOBF because, in Mandalorian, it was done using more typical CGI and de-aging, whereas in BOBF, it was created using deepfakes. Which, for anyone who doesn't know, deepfakes are done through machine learning, essentially a branch of AI. AI is a pretty broad term, but IMO, I see it as just another tool to use that in a lot of situations produces better results. Do you have an opinion on AI being used in a context like this?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I'm just trying to understand. I get that you aren't trying to displace the jobs of writers and storytellers. I don't think anyone is hoping for a future where an executive can type into an AI prompt, 'Make a 90-minute Superman movie with 3 action scenes and funny quips. Also need marketable characters for action figures.'

But what about situations like young Luke Skywalker in Mandalorian vs. Book of Boba Fett? I feel like most people would agree that he looks way better in BOBF because, in Mandalorian, it was done using more typical CGI and de-aging, whereas in BOBF, it was created using deepfakes. Which, for anyone who doesn't know, deepfakes are done through machine learning, essentially a branch of AI. AI is a pretty broad term, but IMO, I see it as just another tool to use that in a lot of situations produces better results. Do you have an opinion on AI being used in a context like this?

Deepfake Luke is absolutely revolting. Exactly what should never be done with that tech. Either cast a real actor or don’t have the character at all. The Luke in Mando if anything is slightly more acceptable because it’s just a single small moment and not a strange, perverse golem of Mark Hamill acting out actual scenes.

 

[Boom]

They're gonna keep this son of a ***** locked away in secret aren't they?

 

[Lily Adler]

ChatGPT make me an image of David Corenswet with Chris Evans body with the Kingdom Come Superman suit but with a yellow shield.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

They're gonna keep this son of a ***** locked away in secret aren't they?

They have revealed... his face!