Civil War Past Events Driving Path to Civil War

[Guard82]

One thing I'm looking forward to seeing in Civil War is how the debate over regulating superheroes unfolds. When the government begins to hold hearings on why superheroes should be restricted in their actions, I'm interested in what events the government will cite to justify regulation.

We already know that some kind of event in the movie involving the Avengers will result in civilian casualties, which will set off the political movement in favor of regulation. I'm betting that this won't be the only event spurring the movement; it'll just be the final straw. I'm thinking the government may cite other past events in the MCU as justification, such as:

- The Ultron crisis - This is the most obvious one because it was so recent, involved the threat of global destruction, and resulted from Tony Stark's actions.

- The Battle of New York - At the end of the first Avengers movie, we hear one senator complaining that the heroes are to blame for the destruction caused by the Chitauri invasion. I'll bet this will come up again.

- Iron Man and War Machine's fight with the A.I.M. Extremis soldiers probably caused a lot of inadvertent damage. Same with Thor's fight with the Dark Elves in London. And same with Hulk's big fight in Harlem with the Abomination. These might be cited as justification too.

If anyone else can think of some they'd like to add, please do!

 

[Stevie2020]

I hope they reference incidents that occurred off screen so that there is some depth to the story telling. I'd like more of a defined sense of things hapenning between the films.

Of course they can also rehash Cap, BW and Falcon fighting the STRIKE team and causing mayhem in the streets of Cleveland...er...D.C.

 

[ernesth100]

Hopefully they reference how much Hydra screwed the world and practically forced SHIELD into quitting.

 

[third3ye]

Sokovia is probably the one event that'll get referenced the most, no need to waste screen time name dropping other events like NY or London. Supposedly the 'accords' referred to in the Ant-Man ECS is the Sokovian Accords. The understanding here is that the marketplace incident with Crossbones will be the last straw, with Sokovia fresh in the public's mind. Besides, Battle of NY has already gotten plenty of name dropping in Phase 2 and Daredevil.

 

[TheVision]

I bet Thunderbolt Ross will be switching his obsession about Hulk to regulating super heroes. He'll probably say: See? This is what Hulk & Co will do if we dont put a leash on em. etc

 

[TalismanRing]

I think it all should be referenced in the arguments including the WSC sending a nuke to NYC, SHIELD trying to use the Tesserect to make weapons and alerting/luring Loki (and Thanos) to Earth, the WSC and SHIELD creating project Insight, the infiltration of HYDRA at the highest levels of gov't (The US Senate) and SHIELD, the Vice President of U.S. being an accomplice of Killian using US soldiers as Guinea Pigs and weapons, putting civilians in danger and covering it up as terrorism and trying to assassinate the President.

 

[John Locke]

The Stark Expo, Tony baiting a terrorist to attack him, Hulk's rampages, Thor leveling a small town, aliens invading London, and [BLACKOUT] Pym Technologies' implosion[/BLACKOUT]

 

[MbJ]

The fact that Nick Fury had to bail the Avengers out by rescuing all the refugees from Sokovia.

That right there is a decent argument for the Avengers needing more oversight and control, since had it night been for outside intervention, many lives would have been lost.

 

[TeeKay]

I think the most obvious and significant ones are Hulk's rampage in South Africa and Ultron.

 

[dax]

One thing I'm looking forward to seeing in Civil War is how the debate over regulating superheroes unfolds. When the government begins to hold hearings on why superheroes should be restricted in their actions, I'm interested in what events the government will cite to justify regulation.

We already know that some kind of event in the movie involving the Avengers will result in civilian casualties, which will set off the political movement in favor of regulation. I'm betting that this won't be the only event spurring the movement; it'll just be the final straw. I'm thinking the government may cite other past events in the MCU as justification, such as:

- The Ultron crisis - This is the most obvious one because it was so recent, involved the threat of global destruction, and resulted from Tony Stark's actions.

- The Battle of New York - At the end of the first Avengers movie, we hear one senator complaining that the heroes are to blame for the destruction caused by the Chitauri invasion. I'll bet this will come up again.

- Iron Man and War Machine's fight with the A.I.M. Extremis soldiers probably caused a lot of inadvertent damage. Same with Thor's fight with the Dark Elves in London. And same with Hulk's big fight in Harlem with the Abomination. These might be cited as justification too.

If anyone else can think of some they'd like to add, please do!

I don't see how the Avengers should be blamed for any of these events. Ok, the Ultron crisis should be pinned on them because it was Tony Stark who created Ultron in the first place. However, the Battle of New York was Loki's fault since he opened the portal and unleashed the Chitauri upon the earth. Thunderbolt Ross should be blamed for the Hulk's fight in Harlem because he created Abomination (with some help from Dr. Samuel Sterns) and the Thor/Malekith fight couldn't be helped due to the portal to all 9 realms being opened. Lastly, Aldrich Killian is responsible for the Extremis soldiers blowing up in certain places when he injected the Extremis virus into their bodies so he caused all of the damage.

I would like to see Cap or someone else blame the government for letting HYDRA infiltrate SHIELD headquarters for 70 years which lead to many wars and many deaths. That will certainly help put the kibosh on the superhero registration act.

 

[NHawk19]

I'm guessing AOS is going to spend the season laying the ground work for it all. The premiere already setup the ACTU, and William Sadler has already been back as the President speaking about Sokovia.

 

[SwiftFox]

I'm guessing AOS is going to spend the season laying the ground work for it all. The premiere already setup the ACTU, and William Sadler has already been back as the President speaking about Sokovia.

I agree. I have a feeling these Inhuman's poping up is going to cause a lot of destruction - I mean look at what happend with poor Joey. So yeah, I agree this season of AOS is definitely going to be a catalyst as well.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Iron Man's fight with Whiplash took place on live TV during the Monaco Historic Grand Prix. That was one of the first MCU events that would logically have the public and governments of the world asking who should be held accountable when a super-powered brawl disrupts important events and destroys landmarks.

 

[NHawk19]

Lets also not forget the 3 Hellicarriers crashing down in DC, and the rise of Hydra again.

They basically started the hearings at the end of Cap:TWS with Nat. She baited the politicians with her whole rant about the world needing people like her and how she's not going to jail.

 

[TheVision]

Its very easy to understand why the people would want some regulation on super powered people. They can do so much damage as we've seen. Just think of it in realistic terms.

 

[TalismanRing]

Lets also not forget the 3 Hellicarriers crashing down in DC, and the rise of Hydra again.

They basically started the hearings at the end of Cap:TWS with Nat. She baited the politicians with her whole rant about the world needing people like her and how she's not going to jail.

HYDRA had already risen and the WSC and SHIELD had created Project Insight to murder thousands of perceived threats infiltrated by an organization wanting to murder millions.

They were so easily infiltrated because their methods, morality and goals were the same - they only differed in scope and who was calling the shots. They are not trustworthy.

The Congress/Nat scene was an obvious build up and foreshadowing. It's funny with Tony and Nat being the ones with the hubris and the big mouths flipping off Congress and Gov't overseeing saying they were what was best are now the ones advocating and enforcing towing the line. Guilt?

 

[InternetPeople]

Guilt? Nah. How about staying out of jail. Also, best people for the job of taking down other powered people.

 

[NHawk19]

The Congress/Nat scene was an obvious build up and foreshadowing. It's funny with Tony and Nat being the ones with the hubris and the big mouths flipping off Congress and Gov't overseeing saying they were what was best are now the ones advocating and enforcing towing the line. Guilt?

Tony maybe. Avengers 1, 2, & IM3 should have had a larger impact on him as a person. The first 2 movies he was basically a kid with a new toy. A1 puts him in a bigger universe with bigger problems than he could comprehend. That leads us to IM3 and his obsession to plan for everything. By A2 he's figured out that he can't do it alone and needs a better solution. Trying to find that solution has him doing more harm than good. Could be he's settled on the fact that humans need to regulate humans as machines can get out of control fast.

Nat I'm not sure. I'd think she'd want to protect Clint's family and help him maintain a level of anonymity.

 

[TheVision]

I think Tony wants to stop being a super hero "We are not soldiers". Cap has a need for it to continue. Its kinda weird but as much as Cap is a great human being, he has a thing about being a soldier thats not entirely right in the modern age. You can even tell that hes more comfortable in his uniform than in his civvys. Tony is looking for peace in our time and Cap is gung ho for the battle because without a fight hes basically a junked car. I think its a thing where for the other Avengers its a job they feel they have to do, for Cap its his total way of life.

 

[TalismanRing]

I think Tony wants to stop being a super hero "We are not soldiers". Cap has a need for it to continue. Its kinda weird but as much as Cap is a great human being, he has a thing about being a soldier thats not entirely right in the modern age. You can even tell that hes more comfortable in his uniform than in his civvys. Tony is looking for peace in our time and Cap is gung ho for the battle because without a fight hes basically a junked car. I think its a thing where for the other Avengers its a job they feel they have to do, for Cap its his total way of life.

I don't buy that interpretation of Cap at all. Protecting and saving people is Cap's way of life. To be a soldier is not necessarily to be gung ho for battle or a war monger-er, but to be ready and willing to protect and serve. Being a solider is not antithetical to wanting peace, many armies are called peace keeping forces for a reason. And he's certainly not a junked car without it.

Tony is looking for peace in or time partly because he's at the time in his life where he's like to think of settling down and mainly because he has a lot of guilt from being the former merchant of death and his recent methods haven't worked as well as he hoped and planned.

I'm not buying that Nat is siding with the gov't because of Clint's family when Clint isn't.

 

[TheVision]

You dont know what Cap would be like without his purpose to serve as a soldier. Maybe to us hes not a junked car but to himself he might feel that way. Maybe more of a lost soul, junked car is too extreme I guess.

I definitely think theres a clear personality/life difference between Tony and Steve. One guy is a genius who grew up a well liked rich kid that partied a lot, the other is a nerd turned super soldier who doesnt really know life without a war to fight. I think over time Tony has become closer to Caps style though since theyre both super heroes.

 

[TalismanRing]

Steve was 24 years old before he became a soldier. He had a life before being a soldier, even if it was one filled with illness and poverty growing up in the Great Depression. He was an artist. He expected to go home and have a family after the war was over like every other soldier planned. His plans were waylaid by almost 70 years under the ice and being drawn back into service 2 weeks later with an Alien Invasion.

Soldiering and Avenging has become his current life through circumstance and loss more than active choice. He might think that's what his life should all be about now but that doesn't mean that he's right or that it's all it will ever be or could be.

Tony pre Afghanistan thought his life was going one way and it went another and he was about a decade older than Steve is now. Dreams, goals and lives change.

 

[Rote]

AoU showed clearly, that Steve's worst fear is the war to be over. His vision, Ultron's words, Hill's words in deleted scene, Steve's own words about not wanting family and stability anymore... I remember, Evans himself has said something about Cap feeling very comfortable in the uniform. The whole point of his arc in the AoU was about, that he thought he wanted peace, the war to be over and stability for himself, but Wanda's vision made him accept his true self.

 

[TalismanRing]

I don't agree with that interpretation of the vision (I think he accepted his lost life not that he was happy about it or preferred it) and I don't buy at all that Steve would rather there be war than peace.

Again being a soldier does not mean craving war. Just like being a police officer does not mean craving crime or being a fireman means hoping they'll be fires. The purpose is to protect and serve and to want peace but to be prepared to fight to attain and maintain it.

 

[Rote]

I don't agree with that interpretation of the vision (I think he accepted his lost life not that he was happy about it or preferred it) and I don't buy at all that Steve would rather there be war than peace.

Why not? All the evidence speaks for it. "The war is over, Steve, we can go home, imagine it" - the look of fear on his face, it's so telling, he can't even imagine it, everyone disappear. All the avengers was shown their worst fears, not just regrets, Steve isn't the exeption. People can interpretate as they want, but Whedon's intention here is obvious, especially after the deleted scene, where Hill is repeating Ultron's doubts that Cap can live a life without war. Maybe he doesn't want to be like this, but this is what he is, he can't help it. Otherwise I can't see a single reason for him to claim before the vision, that he wants peace, and to say this words in the end, that the Avengers base is his home, that he is not the man, he was before the ice, and not wanting family and stability anymore.