Predators

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Aesop.......it rocks .

 

[returntovoid]

I really didn't expect Fishburnes

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character to get killed.

I thought the film was awesome, as good as the first one but it should have been longer.

 

[nocomics]

I thought he was fine, in fact he impressed me in the role, made his character very interesting.



If it had been a sword made by the Preds, or if the Pred was already injured, I wouldnt have such a hard time believing it, but was a SUPER Pred, and it died off a few cuts, good action scene, just wasnt happy with the resolution.

Whats the difference between the 'Super-Pred' and a regular Predator besides size? Maybe str? I don't think it means they have tougher skin,unless theres some underlying story about them somewhere??

 

[nocomics]

I really didn't expect Fishburnes

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character to get killed.

I thought the film was awesome, as good as the first one but it should have been longer.

Well I didn't expect Fisheburnes character to be

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So freaking lame and uninteresting

 

[CelticPredator]

^ lol true. And I read the script.

 

[sabetoonth]

i agree, he wasnt that cool a character, i liked the Yakuza and Danny Trejo better

 

[Thundarr]

Ok, guys. You've had your fun now lets get back on topic. Any more Predator title swapping will be deleted.

THANK YOU! I was getting so sick of those Predator title swaps.

 

[Thundarr]

Okay, I've been off the site for a little while so I have a few opinions on a couple of topics that I'd like to share.

First, there was a debate a while back about whether or not Preds have a warrior code of honour. My short answer is "Yes, they do." To expand on that, they never hunt anyone that can't defend themselves. Trained killers, armed soldiers, etc, these are their prey of choice. People point out that in the first movie Blain was shot in the back, which is hardly very sporting. However most people forget that the Pred first hit Blain in the front with a projectile which spun him around, then shot him with the shoulder cannon (it's a "blink and you'll miss it" scene, but it's there). And have you ever asked yourself why, in the second movie, the Pred followed Harrigan to the cemetary? Or why it left Danny's necklace? Had you ever stopped to think that maybe it was there paying its respects to a worthy adversary? And if they had no honour, no code, then why did the first one remove his mask and shoulder cannon to fight Dutch hand to hand in the first movie? Why not just shoot him with the cannon and be done with it? So yes, they do have a code of honour. Is it the same as ours? No. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Hardly.

Another debate I've seen on here is "Could/Should the Yakuza been able to defeat a Pred with just a sword?" Simple answer, yes. First it wasn't "just" a sword. It was a freakin' katana. And not one of them cheap ass stainless steel ornamental ones you order out of karate magazines. This was an authentic katana that was centuries old, likely the blade had been folded hundreds, even thousands of times. In the hands of a master, which the Yakuza obviously was, a katana can cut a whole beef carcass in half with a single stroke. People have argued "But this was a predator, a super predator at that, he shouldn't have died so quickly". Other people point out all the damage that other preds had sustained in other movies and walked away from them. One person wrote something like "The pred in the first movie got hit with two grenades and didn't even get cut!" Actually that's wrong. When the team was shooting after the pred after it killed Blain, the shrapnel from one of the grenades did cut it and it had to stop and administer first aid on itself. That's how it got its blood on the leaves and we got the famous line "If it bleeds, we can kill it." Then in the final confrontation between Dutch and the pred, Dutch shot it with a grenade arrow. When he went to try and finish it off he couldn't find the body but he found a blood trail. That alien blood had to have come from somewhere. Someone also pointed out the train scene in Part 2, with everyone shooting guns at the Pred and no one hurting him. Thing is he was cloaked, people were shooting everywhere, not just at the Pred. And even the cop, who was aiming at the shimmering humanoid shape that was slowly stalking towards him, was mostly hitting its facemask and shoulder cannon (possibly hoping to kill it with a head shot).

Now I will concede that Preds are made of much tougher stuff than humans. Their skin is likely reminiscent of walrus skin, which is notoriously tough as a natural defence against sharks and other predators of the deep, making it excellent for making boots and shoes out of it. Their muscles and bones are also likely much denser than those of a human's, more like those of a grizzly bear. Thus shooting it with a 9mm beretta or a 12 guage shotgun will likely do little more than just piss it off, just as it would for a grizzly.

However the Yakuza wasn't using a shotgun, he was using a katana. A weapon with which he was a trained expert. And Preds don't wear tons of armour. Their forarms, shoulders, heads, and perhaps their shins might have armour plating on them. Their thights, torsoes, and upper arms are all bare. And at least with humans, these are where many of our biggest arteries and vital organs are located. Thus I see no reason that a masterwork katana in the hands of a master swordsman couldn't cut through a Pred's tough skin and opened one of its arteries an/or vital organs. And it's not as if he cut the Pred in half, or it was a one way fight that ended with a single cut. It took several passes, and several cuts, abd they both died at the end of the duel. I thought it was really well done.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So what exactly is the idea for the sequel and who's coming back?

 

[ALP]

"Who are you?"

"I'm alive."

The lines in this movie were so cheesy, but good

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Okay, I've been off the site for a little while so I have a few opinions on a couple of topics that I'd like to share.

First, there was a debate a while back about whether or not Preds have a warrior code of honour. My short answer is "Yes, they do." To expand on that, they never hunt anyone that can't defend themselves. Trained killers, armed soldiers, etc, these are their prey of choice. People point out that in the first movie Blain was shot in the back, which is hardly very sporting. However most people forget that the Pred first hit Blain in the front with a projectile which spun him around, then shot him with the shoulder cannon (it's a "blink and you'll miss it" scene, but it's there). And have you ever asked yourself why, in the second movie, the Pred followed Harrigan to the cemetary? Or why it left Danny's necklace? Had you ever stopped to think that maybe it was there paying its respects to a worthy adversary? And if they had no honour, no code, then why did the first one remove his mask and shoulder cannon to fight Dutch hand to hand in the first movie? Why not just shoot him with the cannon and be done with it? So yes, they do have a code of honour. Is it the same as ours? No. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Hardly.

Another debate I've seen on here is "Could/Should the Yakuza been able to defeat a Pred with just a sword?" Simple answer, yes. First it wasn't "just" a sword. It was a freakin' katana. And not one of them cheap ass stainless steel ornamental ones you order out of karate magazines. This was an authentic katana that was centuries old, likely the blade had been folded hundreds, even thousands of times. In the hands of a master, which the Yakuza obviously was, a katana can cut a whole beef carcass in half with a single stroke. People have argued "But this was a predator, a super predator at that, he shouldn't have died so quickly". Other people point out all the damage that other preds had sustained in other movies and walked away from them. One person wrote something like "The pred in the first movie got hit with two grenades and didn't even get cut!" Actually that's wrong. When the team was shooting after the pred after it killed Blain, the shrapnel from one of the grenades did cut it and it had to stop and administer first aid on itself. That's how it got its blood on the leaves and we got the famous line "If it bleeds, we can kill it." Then in the final confrontation between Dutch and the pred, Dutch shot it with a grenade arrow. When he went to try and finish it off he couldn't find the body but he found a blood trail. That alien blood had to have come from somewhere. Someone also pointed out the train scene in Part 2, with everyone shooting guns at the Pred and no one hurting him. Thing is he was cloaked, people were shooting everywhere, not just at the Pred. And even the cop, who was aiming at the shimmering humanoid shape that was slowly stalking towards him, was mostly hitting its facemask and shoulder cannon (possibly hoping to kill it with a head shot).

Now I will concede that Preds are made of much tougher stuff than humans. Their skin is likely reminiscent of walrus skin, which is notoriously tough as a natural defence against sharks and other predators of the deep, making it excellent for making boots and shoes out of it. Their muscles and bones are also likely much denser than those of a human's, more like those of a grizzly bear. Thus shooting it with a 9mm beretta or a 12 guage shotgun will likely do little more than just piss it off, just as it would for a grizzly.

However the Yakuza wasn't using a shotgun, he was using a katana. A weapon with which he was a trained expert. And Preds don't wear tons of armour. Their forarms, shoulders, heads, and perhaps their shins might have armour plating on them. Their thights, torsoes, and upper arms are all bare. And at least with humans, these are where many of our biggest arteries and vital organs are located. Thus I see no reason that a masterwork katana in the hands of a master swordsman couldn't cut through a Pred's tough skin and opened one of its arteries an/or vital organs. And it's not as if he cut the Pred in half, or it was a one way fight that ended with a single cut. It took several passes, and several cuts, abd they both died at the end of the duel. I thought it was really well done.

I aint saying it wasnt badly done, but it was just unrealistic to me based on what we have previously seen. You say a katana can cut through a cow? Well the shotgun Royce had and the mini-gun would OBLITERATE a cow in seconds, yet the Preds took that fire head on, and took the same and more in the first 2 movies, sorry, not convinced. I think if the Pred was already injured it would have made a huge difference to the belief of the scene.

 

[CelticPredator]

They did not take the fire head on. They were cloaked and shot at. No bullet's hit them. They dodged each shot.

 

[Thundarr]

They did not take the fire head on. They were cloaked and shot at. No bullet's hit them. They dodged each shot.

Exactly!

 

[SuperFerret]

I doubt the "katana can cut through X" arguments every time I hear them. Yeah, they're sharp and durable and under the right circumstances, they can do some amazing things. Unfortunately, combat is never the right circumstances.

 

[Thundarr]

I doubt the "katana can cut through X" arguments every time I hear them. Yeah, they're sharp and durable and under the right circumstances, they can do some amazing things. Unfortunately, combat is never the right circumstances.

Ever see The World's Deadliest Warrior on A&E? They had an episode on a samurai vs a viking. They sent pig carcasses sliding towards the swordsmen representing the samurai and the vikings at high speed on cables (to simulate an opponent charging towards you) and the katana cut the pig cleanly in two. I saw a katana demonstration on another show where the swordsman cut an entire side of beef in two with a single stroke. Granted that one was just hanging there, there were no attempts to simulate battle conditions, but still. These aren't scenes from Lone Wolf & Cub movies where we're dealing with manequins that are set up to fall apart as soon as they're hit. These were actual demonstrations of how badass the samurai were.

I will concede, however, that the scene could have probably been done a little better. Like maybe make it clear that the Yakuza cut the pred more than once. Then maybe we wouldn't have this endless "He was killed with a damn sword?" debate.

 

[SuperFerret]

Still, in order to get maximum cutting power with a katana a specific movement is needed, one which would be hard to get exactly if the heat of battle. Also, shows like that only measure that which can be measured and not the intangible variables that make up most of the factors that determine a battle's outcome.

 

[Thundarr]

So what exactly is the idea for the sequel and who's coming back?

I haven't heard anything on the plot for the sequel, although it doesn't really take a genius to figure out. If anyone from the last film is going to be in the next one, it's obviously going to be Royce and Isabella. Now whether or not they survive the whole movie is questionable. Likely they will round up a bunch of new recruits, if for no other reason than to use them as cannon fodder. Almost certainly Royce is going to try and comandeer the preds' spaceship.

The only real questions are (A)Who are the next group of people dumped on the game preserve? (B) Which of them will survive? (C) Will they be able to comandeer the alien spaceship? (D) Will all of their new recruits be human?

I think it might be interesting if some of their fellow prey are humanoid aliens from other planets. Neitcheans, Wookiees, Klingons, Magog, Cardaseans, Bajorans, etc, etc, etc. Okay, they won't use those exact races due to copyrights, but alien races of similar design. They'll each have weapons from their home worlds. Royce and Isabella will have to overcome several language barriers to convince them to agree to work together. I think that might be kinda cool.

 

[Danger Mouse]

I haven't heard anything on the plot for the sequel, although it doesn't really take a genius to figure out. If anyone from the last film is going to be in the next one, it's obviously going to be Royce and Isabella. Now whether or not they survive the whole movie is questionable. Likely they will round up a bunch of new recruits, if for no other reason than to use them as cannon fodder. Almost certainly Royce is going to try and comandeer the preds' spaceship.

The only real questions are (A)Who are the next group of people dumped on the game preserve? (B) Which of them will survive? (C) Will they be able to comandeer the alien spaceship? (D) Will all of their new recruits be human?

I think it might be interesting if some of their fellow prey are humanoid aliens from other planets. Neitcheans, Wookiees, Klingons, Magog, Cardaseans, Bajorans, etc, etc, etc. Okay, they won't use those exact races due to copyrights, but alien races of similar design. They'll each have weapons from their home worlds. Royce and Isabella will have to overcome several language barriers to convince them to agree to work together. I think that might be kinda cool.

It'll only be Predators all over again. With a different bunch of actors.

 

[dude stannis]

I say make it a more combat focused film. One of the most exciting parts of Predators for me was when the two sides where exchanging gun/plasma fire. It was like temporarily watching a human/Predator war.

 

[Danger Mouse]

I say make it a more combat focused film. One of the most exciting parts of Predators for me was when the two sides where exchanging gun/plasma fire. It was like temporarily watching a human/Predator war.

But a Predator movie is all about the hunt.

 

[dude stannis]

We've seen it five times already. As good as Predators was it didn't bring anything new to the table.

 

[sabetoonth]

I haven't heard anything on the plot for the sequel, although it doesn't really take a genius to figure out. If anyone from the last film is going to be in the next one, it's obviously going to be Royce and Isabella. Now whether or not they survive the whole movie is questionable. Likely they will round up a bunch of new recruits, if for no other reason than to use them as cannon fodder. Almost certainly Royce is going to try and comandeer the preds' spaceship.

The only real questions are (A)Who are the next group of people dumped on the game preserve? (B) Which of them will survive? (C) Will they be able to comandeer the alien spaceship? (D) Will all of their new recruits be human?

I think it might be interesting if some of their fellow prey are humanoid aliens from other planets. Neitcheans, Wookiees, Klingons, Magog, Cardaseans, Bajorans, etc, etc, etc. Okay, they won't use those exact races due to copyrights, but alien races of similar design. They'll each have weapons from their home worlds. Royce and Isabella will have to overcome several language barriers to convince them to agree to work together. I think that might be kinda cool.

to be totally honest, i read this as Kardashians

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They did not take the fire head on. They were cloaked and shot at. No bullet's hit them. They dodged each shot.

In the previous movies they took fire from these weapons head on, I'd even say the shotgun used by Danny Glover in Pred 2 was more powerful than Royce's one, and the Predator in Pred 2 took about 8 hits from that and got back up seconds later and seemed completely fine, but seriously pissed off. Not to mention the Pred dogs were shown taking mini-gun fire full on to the face!

Again, this is was the first gun seen to hit a Predator in the torso and pierce it, and at the time it was a futuristic shot-gun, a katana aint going to be as powerful as that I dont care what examples you sight.

I doubt the "katana can cut through X" arguments every time I hear them. Yeah, they're sharp and durable and under the right circumstances, they can do some amazing things. Unfortunately, combat is never the right circumstances.

Exactly, it was also very dubious how the Yakuza was able to take so many hits from a Pred blade, but not as dubious as the Pred dying from a few katana cuts.

 

[CelticPredator]

I think we're all forgetting the fact that it's a ****ing movie...and laws of reality dont apply. If X Weapon has to kill a Predator....it WILL kill the Predator.

If they want a Predator to die from a katana...IT WILL DIE FROM A KATANA. Just get over it....you shouldnt've cared about the Predators anyway.

 

[Kent]

I don't get the katana argument at all.

I mean I feel like the fact that the first flick had a guy carry around a friggin minigun (among other things) firmly establishes the Predator universe as at least somewhat "comic booky" (for a lack of a better word)... but if a master swordsman uses a katana to kill a predator... that's just too much apparently.

I don't get it.