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I hated, hated the so-called 'Predator/Predator' fight. Not only was it short, the 'good' Predator died like a wimp. Why couldn't they make him run away, leading a bigger 'civil war' in the sequel?
 
Because he was strung up in disgrace by the Beserker Predator, he wanted some payback. I don't think he went out like a wimp either, he put up a good fight and knocked the Berserker on his ass a few times.
 
I hated, hated the so-called 'Predator/Predator' fight. Not only was it short, the 'good' Predator died like a wimp. Why couldn't they make him run away, leading a bigger 'civil war' in the sequel?

I justify it it to myself as the normal Predator was malnourished and possibly concussed.
 
I think they tried too hard to pay tribute to the first Predator with certain mannerisms and certain lines each character used that seemed to be similar from the original. Its like they took certain lines and gave it to every character to make them seem wise and all knowing,though I guess each guy had certain expertise in certain styles of warfare.
Also, the whole trap thing with the dead US Force guy and the russian doin the exact samething as Billy by telling everyone about what went down
Overall, I did like the basic premise of the movie and the 'two' different Predators. I wish they would of done more with that situation imo as it could of been interesting if they saved the smaller Pred' and they teamed up to take on the 'Berserker' Pred's....

I think unfortunately budget was what stopped them going into it more, which is a shame, the movie had plenty of good ideas but just didnt seem to have the budget to go through with them, hopefully if a sequel gets made they can go into the blood feud a bit more.
 
I appreciate what they tried to do but the second half fell short , IMO . Its still a decent sequel though and i hope they make more .
 
I appreciate what they tried to do but the second half fell short , IMO . Its still a decent sequel though and i hope they make more .

Yeah I know what you mean, again budget seemed to be the issue, still enjoyed it though!
 
finally watched predators yesterday, i'm a huge pred fan so liked it for the most part. It was better than I thought i'd be, and not as homage heavy as i feared. It was much better Predator sequel than Terminator Salvation was a Terminator sequel. Also, I feal it was actually a little less homage heavy than AVP-R. The Pros: basically a good story and direction, good cast. Loved the introduction of other alien species, could've used more
The Cons: Long Tall Sally at the end was too much and broke up the feeling that the ending implied, also i couldn't stand how short and little the predators were. Also the preds looked pretty good but they looked great in the 1st two films, and I didn't mind the changes in the Avp movies. Also, the Predators as characters were weak, the one in Predator 1 & 2 were real characters, I also loved Wolf from Avp-R. Also, I thought the Black super preds were supposed to be physically superior to the normal ones. The movie played them as an alternative race with a different code(lack of honor) than the previous preds. Also the three(why always 3) were very inefficient killers, firing their canons blindly in all directions instead of picking apart the people little by little. Maybe the lack of moral code in the Black preds make them too anxious, and they don't have the patience to hunt like the normal preds. Perhaps this training planet is meant for really inexperienced hunters who practice in a neutral field before taking on commandos on the road in a real jungle. Also, the inclusion of the classic predator was rushed and he seemed more like the original's little brother. Anyways, i liked the movie but less than Predator 2, and felt the Predators were more hollow than in the Avp flicks.
 
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Also, the Predators as characters were weak, the one in Predator 1 & 2 were real characters, I also loved Wolf from Avp-R.

I agree on that. I think those three had personality...especially Pred 2. It goes back to what I was saying about having multiple Preds in the movie. If you have only one, you can build him to look like an unstoppable bad ass. Too many Preds in the movie ruins that.
I think they should have had just the Super Black Berserker Pred who had hijacked the Classic Pred. Alien is the creature that works best in numbers, not Predators.
 
After re-watching it, it's funny because I liked the first half more than the second. The building of tension with the introduction of characters and uneasy alliances...but once the Preds are introduced, it starts to become a little boring. The action was kind of uninspired. Of course the first film is the best, but even with Predator 2's silliness and campiness, it still holds as a little more entertaining. As a fan, I just hope this one was enough to give the franchise it's steam back and an even better film made.

On a side note, if you intend to buy this, Wal-mart's offers a 3 disc version which has a DVD copy in addition to Blu-ray and Digital. I didn't see that anyone else offered that.
 
I liked the film. I'll pick up a blu-ray copy when I can find a cheap version.
 
After re-watching it, it's funny because I liked the first half more than the second. The building of tension with the introduction of characters and uneasy alliances...but once the Preds are introduced, it starts to become a little boring. The action was kind of uninspired. Of course the first film is the best, but even with Predator 2's silliness and campiness, it still holds as a little more entertaining. As a fan, I just hope this one was enough to give the franchise it's steam back and an even better film made.

On a side note, if you intend to buy this, Wal-mart's offers a 3 disc version which has a DVD copy in addition to Blu-ray and Digital. I didn't see that anyone else offered that.

I agree. The beginning where its kind of slow is the best part. Once the Predators start slaughtering it becomes very predictable.
 
What we really need is a Avatar/Predator crossover movie.

This would have been more interesting if they had shown how the Predators chose & captured their participants to use in their hunt.
 
I would like the Predator Civil War to be brought to light a bit more in the sequel. I want to see the Classic Predator whoop some ass.
 
I would like the Predator Civil War to be brought to light a bit more in the sequel. I want to see the Classic Predator whoop some ass.
 
Iv'e watched this movie 3 times since buying it on thursday. Even with its flaws I think its going to be one of those movies I just love to rewatch. The commentary track was horrendous though, with Rodriguez and Antal mostly spending the whole time talking about the roles of directors and producers and kissing their own butts instead of talking about what was actually going on in the film
 
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What we really need is a Avatar/Predator crossover movie.

This would have been more interesting if they had shown how the Predators chose & captured their participants to use in their hunt.

the Predators would slaughter those 6 foot tall smurfs
 
Um, those "smurfs" were like 9 to 10 feet tall. They were huge compared to humans. :huh:
 
I just watched this movie about 40 odd minutes back.
For first quarter of this movie it done a pretty nice job of getting right what partly made predator good. Not showing the predators and building it up. Then it just falls apart.

There's a slight difference from homage and outright aping it. The funny thing is, it does a terrible job. Couple of things annoyed me. In Predator, when Arnie is about to fight the Predator caveman style, we get a little montage, a sense that he is meticulously planning. When they are battling, and he starts shouting "I'm over here, come on kill me" it feels more like a duel of tactics than simple action sequences. When Adrian Brody jumps out with his near instantaneously concocted plan, shouting the same lines, mimicking the caveman style battle, it just feels like bad fanboy fiction. It feels like it's aimed at stupid fanboys nostalgia like we are suppose to be saying "gee, ain't that cool" and not elicite disappointment when it references the original movie, badly.

Another thing that was quite annoying is the Predators when they actually show up on screen. The original movie (as well as Predator 2) sort of paints them as more three dimensional than typical kill-all-in-path monsters. They don't kill unarmed people. It doesn't kill a pregnant woman because there is no sport. Even when it has Arnie to the point, it can kill him. It throws him against a wall, takes it mask off, and starts punching him up. When Laurence Fishburne encounters one, from what could tell, was a iron-bar of some sort, it just stands there and uses it shoulder cannon at almost point blank range in a narrow corridor to practically blow him up.

In the first movie, they are slowly picked off one by one by a single predator. In this movie the sense of menace is diminished as soon as it's on screen. This wasn't the case with the Predator. The splash in the water, with the reveal of it's cloak messing up, right up towards the end of the movie when it's laughing manically setting off it's wrist bomb has a sense of wonder and mystery about it. It's also similar with Predator 2. For the most part, people who watch Predator 2, have seen Predator, know what it looks like and how it acts. Yet in the opening scene when it's killing off the gang lords, the woman in shock (who it didn't kill) described it as a demon. The evidence left is almost supernatural. At the very end of the movie, we see the ship with all the trophy's from many unknown species from different ages in time, again, show a mysterious quality. In this movie, a Japanese man just picked up a sword and says "this is very old".

Speaking of the Japanese guy, like Adrian Brody mimicking the first movie, he is basically the native indian like the first movie. In the first movie, we simply see him stop in tracks while they are hurrying to save themselfs. Here, while a similar situation, it feels like an obligatory box tick, nobody cares. And when he does take on the predator, we get a ridiculous campy fight. In the original movie we hear quite a horrendous scream, which is far more effective.

The love-hate relationship between the convict guy and the black guy doesn't seem to develop properly. Both the characters simply feel introduced than anything built up properly. It's like the Mac and Blain, but crap. The movie is very annoying, not as bad as Alien Vs Predator but it feels like a bad emulation of the first movie to please fans than something trying to be a proper sequel. It kinda drags on abit as well. Predator had great pacing, very re-watchable. This will feel like work if I re-watch it again.
 
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I just watched this movie about 40 odd minutes back.
For first quarter of this movie it done a pretty nice job of getting right what partly made predator good. Not showing the predators and building it up. Then it just falls apart.

There's a slight difference from homage and outright aping it. The funny thing is, it does a terrible job. Couple of things annoyed me. In Predator, when Arnie is about to fight the Predator caveman style, we get a little montage, a sense that he is meticulously planning. When they are battling, and he starts shouting "I'm over here, come on kill me" it feels more like a duel of tactics than simple action sequences. When Adrian Brody jumps out with his near instantaneously concocted plan, shouting the same lines, mimicking the caveman style battle, it just feels like bad fanboy fiction. It feels like it's aimed at stupid fanboys nostalgia like we are suppose to be saying "gee, ain't that cool" and not elicite disappointment when it references the original movie, badly.

Another thing that was quite annoying is the Predators when they actually show up on screen. The original movie (as well as Predator 2) sort of paints them as more three dimensional than typical kill-all-in-path monsters. They don't kill unarmed people. It doesn't kill a pregnant woman because there is no sport. Even when it has Arnie to the point, it can kill him. It throws him against a wall, takes it mask off, and starts punching him up. When Laurence Fishburne encounters one, from what could tell, was a iron-bar of some sort, it just stands there and uses it shoulder cannon at almost point blank range in a narrow corridor to practically blow him up.

In the first movie, they are slowly picked off one by one by a single predator. In this movie the sense of menace is diminished as soon as it's on screen. This wasn't the case with the Predator. The splash in the water, with the reveal of it's cloak messing up, right up towards the end of the movie when it's laughing manically setting off it's wrist bomb has a sense of wonder and mystery about it. It's also similar with Predator 2. For the most part, people who watch Predator 2, have seen Predator, know what it looks like and how it acts. Yet in the opening scene when it's killing off the gang lords, the woman in shock (who it didn't kill) described it as a demon. The evidence left is almost supernatural. At the very end of the movie, we see the ship with all the trophy's from many unknown species from different ages in time, again, show a mysterious quality. In this movie, a Japanese man just picked up a sword and says "this is very old".

Speaking of the Japanese guy, like Adrian Brody mimicking the first movie, he is basically the native indian like the first movie. In the first movie, we simply see him stop in tracks while they are hurrying to save themselfs. Here, while a similar situation, it feels like an obligatory box tick, nobody cares. And when he does take on the predator, we get a ridiculous campy fight. In the original movie we hear quite a horrendous scream, which is far more effective.

The love-hate relationship between the convict guy and the black guy doesn't seem to develop properly. Both the characters simply feel introduced than anything built up properly. It's like the Mac and Blain, but crap. The movie is very annoying, not as bad as Alien Vs Predator but it feels like a bad emulation of the first movie to please fans than something trying to be a proper sequel. It kinda drags on abit as well. Predator had great pacing, very re-watchable. This will feel like work if I re-watch it again.


thats a pretty good healthy review, I like most of your points. I think the one part of these predators just being hack and slash type killers goes back to what noland said in the ship about how theres two types of tribes fighting and maybe these "super predators" dont play by the same rules hence why the one predator just shoots nolan and even shoots the russian to knock him down for an easy kill. I also wondered too if maybe these 3 predators were the ones that noland "got away" from.

I did get alittle roll the eyes like when from the hanzo fight till the end felt too much like the original where it hit all the same beats. why not go in a different direction like have royce ditch the mudd but stay with the fire to hide his body heat? Or maybe have brody die as well and leave isabelle all alone to fend for herself for a sequel. I think this would have brought royce's attitude of I work alone full circle.


I feel like there were much better and wiser ideas floating around in the production meetings. I still like this better then the 2 avp movies but I still like predator 2 more for the fun and wow factor. I still feel like this is more of a batman begins for this franchise then a terminator salvation.
 
I have watched the deleted scenes and I really have to question why that stuff was cut. They were all character moments, but they could have been some of the best moments in the film. Especially the stuff with Danny Trejo. His best lines were in the deleted scenes!
 
I have watched the deleted scenes and I really have to question why that stuff was cut. They were all character moments, but they could have been some of the best moments in the film. Especially the stuff with Danny Trejo. His best lines were in the deleted scenes!

Yeah, I think this is the first thing I am going to watch when the BD arrives this weekend, the deleted scene's I was always interested in, even more so now you have said this.
 
For the next 'Predators' movie, could they use a better cinematographer?
 
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