Prometheus - Part 2

[dark_b]

any news on the date?

 

[nightwing06]

The way sci fi should be done

 

[Hunter Rider]

I've only taken a glance at the leaked trailer to get a whiff of the awesome in preparation for he official release.

 

[CelticPredator]

Because he made a very popular movie, and most people think if they talk **** about things that are popular, they will appear cooler and more intelligent. Because everyone knows that popular things are totally lame and only the stupid masses like that kind of stuff.

It's like TDK. People loving it is fine...people going CRAZY over it..is not.

You know what I mean? When having a discussion about either TDK, or Avatar, or something else, and someone comes in saying TDK/AVATAR is the greatest film in the history of the universe...and means it, it's a bit off putting. Especially when it's amplified by hundreds.

It's not that Avatar is a bad movie...it's just an alright one. It's just like Transformers. Popcorn movie to appeal to the masses. But it was just taken over by fanbase that I honestly do not like. And neither do other people.

So it's a "Everyone goes crazy over this, therefore I don't want to be lumped in with thier craziness."

Now, the bashing of Cameron here is understandble. While I love Aliens with every single fiber of my being, he did dumb down the Alien. He had a good reason too, but the problem is, everyone wanted to have the Cameron Aliens, and never really went back to the pyschosexual, space rapist. Which my inner Alien fanboy feels a bit annoyed about.

I can't really blame Cameron though, I blame the idiot fans who think the Alien is nothing more then a bug and is "T0TALlY weeK COMPARD 2 TEH Eli3t PREDATORZZzzz!111"

Bah!

 

[chamber-music]

I don't understand why people get upset about what movies other people like or don't like. I personally didn't like the Transformers films and I don't think Avatar is the greatest movie ever made but if others do like them I'm not upset or bothered by it.

Its the Internet. Since messageboards and forums began people found stuff to bicker over.

 

[Blue Sugar]

TDK is one of my top 20 favorite movies of all time, kill me!!

Anyways, Alien might be my favorite movie of all time but I really love Aliens too. I'm a proud Cameron fanboy after all.

Aliens is entertaining as ****, expands on the mythology in a great and natural way, it is suspensful, gets your blood pumping, it's visually awesome and with great, really memorable characters. Ripley, Newt, Hicks, Bishop, Hudson!

It is also an emotionally rewarding film in many ways. With alot of great last moment savings and memorable deaths both for the bad and the good guys.

"Get away from her, you *****!"

 

[Kane52630]

Because he made a very popular movie, and most people think if they talk **** about things that are popular, they will appear cooler and more intelligent. Because everyone knows that popular things are totally lame and only the stupid masses like that kind of stuff.

Pretty much.

 

[The Morningstar]

Ehhh i would have hated Avatar whether it made 10 billion dollars or 10 cents.

But yea, Cameron is still a great director. He's like a better version of Michael Bay. But Ridley Scott is the ****ing man. Alien, Blade Runner and Kindom of Heaven (directors cut) are like, three of my favourite movies ever.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

It's like TDK. People loving it is fine...people going CRAZY over it..is not.

You know what I mean? When having a discussion about either TDK, or Avatar, or something else, and someone comes in saying TDK/AVATAR is the greatest film in the history of the universe...and means it, it's a bit off putting. Especially when it's amplified by hundreds.

It's not that Avatar is a bad movie...it's just an alright one. It's just like Transformers. Popcorn movie to appeal to the masses. But it was just taken over by fanbase that I honestly do not like. And neither do other people.

So it's a "Everyone goes crazy over this, therefore I don't want to be lumped in with thier craziness."

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Figs]

While I love Aliens with every single fiber of my being, he did dumb down the Alien. He had a good reason too, but the problem is, everyone wanted to have the Cameron Aliens, and never really went back to the pyschosexual, space rapist. Which my inner Alien fanboy feels a bit annoyed about.

I can't really blame Cameron though, I blame the idiot fans who think the Alien is nothing more then a bug.

What exactly makes the Alien so smart? Please don't bring any Aliens comic BS into this either, I'm strictly talking about the movies. I don't see how they're all that intelligent. They're definitely not dumb or as mindless as some real life bugs, but I think fanboys go too far with trying to make them seem super awesome!1!1!.

 

[The Morningstar]

Well in Scott's first film the Alien is basically supposed to be a space rapist. There was a sexual undertone to it all, and the Alien itself seemed much more sexual predator like, especially the way it went after Lambert near the end. Cameron added the whole "hive of bugs" mythology to it.

I don't mind either interpretation. But I do think the way the Alien was portrayed in the first film was much creepier. In the second film having them as mindless drones fitted the action angle Cameron was going for.

 

[Marvolo]

Well in Scott's first film the Alien is basically supposed to be a space rapist. There was a sexual undertone to it all, and the Alien itself seemed much more sexual predator like, especially the way it went after Lambert near the end. Cameron added the whole "hive of bugs" mythology to it.

I don't mind either interpretation. But I do think the way the Alien was portrayed in the first film was much creepier. In the second film having them as mindless drones fitted the action angle Cameron was going for.

Yep and its mentioned in the commentary for Alien also. It uses its tail in a sexual way on Lambert. The whole subcontext of the original Alien was sexual and rape. Anyone who hasn't listened to the commentary or watched the extra features should.

 

[cherokeesam]

Didn't take long for Prometheus to devolve into an Alien vs. Aliens war, did it....?

I'm not going to weigh in on the pros and cons of either movie (if anyone wonders, suffice it to say that Ridley Scott is my favorite director of all time), but I'm gonna say that I strongly --- strongly --- doubt that Ridley is making this movie out of any need/desire to "take back the mantle" of the franchise from Cameron (or, more to the point, the crapfest sequels that came *after* Cameron).

In fact, I don't see any of the darkness or sexual overtones of the first movie in what little we can see of the trailer, and of the magazine scans. I'm sure Prometheus is going to be fascinating, outstanding hard sci-fi, and I'm sure it's going to scare the hell out of audiences, but I really doubt it's going to have the same bleak tone or claustrophobic sets or blue-collar demeanor of the first movie. This is probably going to be more like a very adult version of Star Trek. Or Mass Effect, even.

 

[Kane52630]

I didnt realized there was a Alien vs Aliens debate until I looked into this thread. Sounds utterly ridiculous to me since it's two films with two different scifi genres.

 

[Figs]

Funny thing is that I wasn't trying to start one, nor did I compare the two films. I simply asked what signs where there that the Alien species is highly intelligent.

 

[DACrowe]

The alien in Alien is very Lovecraftian. We don't know why it does what it does. Why does it pick people up and disappear with them? What does it do with their bodies? Did it rape Lambert? It has a very...well alien vibe around it. It doesn't think or act in ways that are knowable to man, but it is so efficient and successful at what it does, it isn't a mindless bug.

In Aliens that is what it became. Still a great movie.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What exactly makes the Alien so smart? Please don't bring any Aliens comic BS into this either, I'm strictly talking about the movies. I don't see how they're all that intelligent. They're definitely not dumb or as mindless as some real life bugs, but I think fanboys go too far with trying to make them seem super awesome!1!1!.

lol Sooo true.

 

[dark_b]

i am a fan of both movies. the best part about both movies is that they are different in tone. this is what i expect from sequels. that when i pay money i get something new. i watch both movies for different reason and i like them for different reasons.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i am a fan of both movies. the best part about both movies is that they are different in tone. this is what i expect from sequels. that when i pay money i get something new. i watch both movies for different reason and i like them for different reasons.

Both movies have their issues but Aliens wins with me because I care about and like the admittedly thinly drawn (the first movie wasn't a baston of deep characterization either) characters and it was a thousand times more entertaining. Then again I'm not a fan of Scott's films (JC's anymore post T2). Alien has good performances, beautiful set designs and is sometimes scary. And best of all it allowed Aliens to be made so I will always appreciate it. It's a solid flick but I always dug Aliens more and I'm not going to change that opinion because JC's movies suck now or because more boring (not slow, the movie is down right boring at times) means that a movie is better to wannabe film snobs.

 

[CelticPredator]

lol Sooo true.

lol soo false in every way lolol.

The Alien carefully took out every single crew member in that shuttle craft. It didn't run around, it hunted them. Until it was alone with them.

That's what made it work.

Cameron's faught in numbers. They didn't hunt, they just overwelmed the marines.

Different tactics. But the fact, and I mean fact, as hard of a fact as I can post, the fact is, Alien alien is smarter.

 

[Secret Fawful]

The alien in Alien is very Lovecraftian. We don't know why it does what it does. Why does it pick people up and disappear with them? What does it do with their bodies? Did it rape Lambert? It has a very...well alien vibe around it. It doesn't think or act in ways that are knowable to man, but it is so efficient and successful at what it does, it isn't a mindless bug.

In Aliens that is what it became. Still a great movie.

This. And Ash analyzes it as the perfect organism, devoid of morality or conscience, but with immeasurable hostility. This implies intelligence to me. I can't see an android giving that much praise and admiration to an unintelligent bug.

EDIT: Plus the original intended ending of the movie being the Xenomorph killing Ripley and replicating her voice to radio into the superiors. I mean COME ON.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yep. Maybe The Queen. The Queen had the same intelligence as the Alien did. It adapted, and hunted down Ripley.

I love both movies. Equally. But the comics, games and AvP-Rectum decided to use Cameron's Aliens. Which is a big mistake. It worked in his movie...because his movie wasn't about the Aliens. It was about Hicks, Ripley and Newt, and the struggles they go through.

AvP-R was about a pizza boy who falls in love with a dumb blond.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yep. Maybe The Queen. The Queen had the same intelligence as the Alien did. It adapted, and hunted down Ripley.

I love both movies. Equally. But the comics, games and AvP-Rectum decided to use Cameron's Aliens. Which is a big mistake. It worked in his movie...because his movie wasn't about the Aliens. It was about Hicks, Ripley and Newt, and the struggles they go through.

AvP-R was about a pizza boy who falls in love with a dumb blond.

The new Alien movies suck because modern filmmakers have no concept on how to make an effective horror movie or horror-action movie.

Just look at the The Thing remake/prequel. It wasn't horrible but it did practically everything wrong and worse than the original. Most horror films don't hold a candle to the late 70's and 80's horror flicks.

 

[CelticPredator]

Exactly. They gave the monster intelligence. Which is also what Cameron did with the queen.

All i'm saying is, the original Alien was a lot more interesting then the Cameron bugs. It did strange things. Obviously I like Giger's more then Cameron's, but I love both films so much.

 

[Secret Fawful]

The new Alien movies suck because modern filmmakers have no concept on how to make an effective horror movie or horror-action movie.

Just look at the The Thing remake/prequel. It wasn't horrible but it did practically everything wrong and worse than the original. Most horror films don't hold a candle to the late 70's and 80's horror flicks.

More like studio interference and ***** executives with no backbone for risks ruin good concepts time and time again. The filmmakers who made Alien didn't even know if most of it would work when they made the movie, and there was constant fear it would fail. Filmmakers in the 70s and 80s didn't magically know how to make great movies on a dime. Fox didn't want us to see the Alien we know now. If it had been up to Fox, the Space Jockey set would have been excised from the film altogether. Studio interference has gotten worse and more powerful than ever, and a ton of character development and story was cut from the Thing prequel due to test screenings. The original screening of Alien was four hours long.