Prometheus - Part 2

[Marvolo]

It would be a way to get some extra screams from the audience. He's a scary little man.

He is ****ing terrifying. Definitely not someone I would want to run into in a dark alley.

 

[cherokeesam]

The company sent the Nostromo to LV-426 on purpose. They knew something was there.

Highly doubtful.
Nostromo was just responding to a distress beacon, and the ship (and presumably all company ships) had standing orders to consider a transmission of possible extraterrestrial origin to be priority one.

W-Y wouldn't deliberately send a space tug out to investigate an ETI. In fact, the Nostromo would probably be the *last* ship anyone would order on such a mission. They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ They knew it was Alien. They just didn't know what. They went down to find this organism.

That's the entire plot of Alien. Why do you think Ash was so keen on letting it in?

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah, W-Y sent the nostromo on a routine job in the sector so that they could happen upon the signal by what appeared to be chance when iin fact it was planned. This allowed plausible deniability for W-Y if anything went wrong. Ash was placed on the ship to insure W-Y interest were kept above all others. If I'm remembering correctly Ash replaced a member of the nostromo just before they let earth. The whole thing was a setup by W-Y to bring the organism back.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah, W-Y sent the nostromo on a routine job in the sector so that they could happen upon the signal by what appeared to be chance when iin fact it was planned. This allowed plausible deniability for W-Y if anything went wrong. Ash was placed on the ship to insure W-Y interest were kept above all others. If I'm remembering correctly Ash replaced a member of the nostromo just before they let earth. The whole thing was a setup by W-Y to bring the organism back.

 

[Marvolo]

Edit.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yep. That's correct. They knew it was something. But they didn't know what exactly. I would imagine they had an idea from the Prometheus crew.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yep. That's correct. They knew it was something. But they didn't know what exactly. I would imagine they had an idea from the Prometheus crew.

 

[CelticPredator]

Damn you Weyland- Yutani!!

 

[Gold Samurai]

Yeah, W-Y sent the nostromo on a routine job in the sector so that they could happen upon the signal by what appeared to be chance when iin fact it was planned. This allowed plausible deniability for W-Y if anything went wrong. Ash was placed on the ship to insure W-Y interest were kept above all others. If I'm remembering correctly Ash replaced a member of the nostromo just before they let earth. The whole thing was a setup by W-Y to bring the organism back.

Exactly. That's what Ripley finds out and why Ash wanted to kill her

"Retrieval of organism.......high priority"

"Crew....Expendable"

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yep, just watched Alien yesterday and they were sent there to get a sample of the alien organism, everything else didnt matter, crew were expendable. Ash replaced another member of Dallas's crew 2 days before they left earth.

No one on board knew he was a robot.

I got the anthology on BD yesterday for the first and watched Alien and Aliens back-to-back, I had forgotten how good they were, although Aliens has been my favourite ever film for a while. 2 amazing movies and I hope Prometheus lives upto them.

 

[CelticPredator]

It changes for me. Some days, Alien is better, others, Aliens. Love them both so much. I watched them many times as a kid.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Same for me, I can never decide which one I like more, same for Terminator.

 

[Thedudehimself]

Nah, Scotts Alien is by far the superior film. The tense atmosphere it builds up is astounding and flabbergasting. I love those long camera shots through the corridors and the music by Jerry Goldsmith.

Aliens by Cameron is more like typical action fodder. Entertaining, yeah, but doesent even come close to the atmosphere of Alien.

I for one hope that Prometheus is more like Alien rather than Aliens.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It changes for me. Some days, Alien is better, others, Aliens. Love them both so much. I watched them many times as a kid.

For me, its always been Aliens, I do sometimes forget how good Alien is but I feel it has aged worse than Aliens has as well. Though the mood it creates is still effective today.

Same for me, I can never decide which one I like more, same for Terminator.

Its easy for me with Terminator as well t:, Aliens and The Terminator are my two favourite movies of all time.

Nah, Scotts Alien is by far the superior film. The tense atmosphere it builds up is astounding and flabbergasting. I love those long camera shots through the corridors and the music by Jerry Goldsmith.

Aliens by Cameron is more like typical action fodder. Entertaining, yeah, but doesent even come close to the atmosphere of Alien.

I for one hope that Prometheus is more like Alien rather than Aliens.

I wouldnt say Alien is the far superior movie at all. Its a great movie, and superb in the horror genre, but Aliens had more endearing characters and furthered both Ripley and the xenomorphs themselves a lot in character and back-story. Both are superb, but Aliens is the better movie for me.

 

[cherokeesam]

Yeah, W-Y sent the nostromo on a routine job in the sector so that they could happen upon the signal by what appeared to be chance when iin fact it was planned. This allowed plausible deniability for W-Y if anything went wrong. Ash was placed on the ship to insure W-Y interest were kept above all others. If I'm remembering correctly Ash replaced a member of the nostromo just before they let earth. The whole thing was a setup by W-Y to bring the organism back.

Yeah, but which scenario are we looking at here?

a) W-Y has had previous encounters with xenomorphs (or even manufactured them), and now they're trying to put the genie back into the bottle, or find their lost pets and bring them home.

b) W-Y has standing orders to look for *any* lifeforms in the universe, in addition to whatever other missions their ships and crews might be charged with. I would think that *everyone* involved in the early days of space exploration and colonization would consider a possible First Contact as Priority One.

And if it *is* Scenario A, then, again, why the hell send some working stiffs on a space tug? It would make a helluva lot more sense that if you needed someone to find some xenomorphs, it would be a Space Marine ship you'd want to send with guys armed to the teeth.

 

[DBryan]

Why do the statues look human?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, but which scenario are we looking at here?

a) W-Y has had previous encounters with xenomorphs (or even manufactured them), and now they're trying to put the genie back into the bottle, or find their lost pets and bring them home.

b) W-Y has standing orders to look for *any* lifeforms in the universe, in addition to whatever other missions their ships and crews might be charged with. I would think that *everyone* involved in the early days of space exploration and colonization would consider a possible First Contact as Priority One.

And if it *is* Scenario A, then, again, why the hell send some working stiffs on a space tug? It would make a helluva lot more sense that if you needed someone to find some xenomorphs, it would be a Space Marine ship you'd want to send with guys armed to the teeth.

They were sent to collect a sample of the organism, not shoot the place to ****, hard to collect a sample when everything is shot to hell.

 

[cherokeesam]

They were sent to collect a sample of the organism, not shoot the place to ****, hard to collect a sample when everything is shot to hell.

True....but it would also be hard to collect a sample when your crew is a bunch of inexperienced civvies who are 99.9% likely to wind up as xenomorph dinner before getting the goods back to W-Y.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
And since there are laws to bring back exto biologic material W-Y had to do it undercover hence the use of the Nostromo crew.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

True....but it would also be hard to collect a sample when your crew is a bunch of inexperienced civvies who are 99.9% likely to wind up as xenomorph dinner before getting the goods back to W-Y.

See below.

^^
And since there are laws to bring back exto biologic material W-Y had to do it undercover hence the use of the Nostromo crew.

Exactly, thats why an inexperienced crew was use, to get past the earths science division and to bring both a xenomorph and face hugger back to be studied.

 

[Marvolo]

True....but it would also be hard to collect a sample when your crew is a bunch of inexperienced civvies who are 99.9% likely to wind up as xenomorph dinner before getting the goods back to W-Y.

Reread my post. Its all about plausible deniability if something went wrong. No one was to know about it and W-Y wanted to make sure if anything did go wrong it would look like a civie crew happened upon a beacon and died checking it out. W-Y sent Ash to get the organism not the civies. They were his instrument and if push came to shove Ash would kill everyone and do it all himself. The civies were expendable and just a piggie back ride and plausible deniability. In closing W-Y didn't send civies to do the job. They sent Ash, and simply used the civies to get him there and cover their own asses.

 

[craigdbfan]

Everything Marvolo has been saying is spot on.

 

[cherokeesam]

Reread my post. Its all about plausible deniability if something went wrong. No one was to know about it and W-Y wanted to make sure if anything did go wrong it would look like a civie crew happened upon a beacon and died checking it out. W-Y sent Ash to get the organism not the civies. They were his instrument and if push came to shove Ash would kill everyone and do it all himself. The civies were expendable and just a piggie back ride and plausible deniability. In closing W-Y didn't send civies to do the job. They sent Ash, and simply used the civies to get him there and cover their own asses.

Ash???
Ash couldn't even kill an unarmed Ripley. Yaphet Kotto's character (name escapes me at the moment) literally ripped him apart with his bare hands. How was *he* supposed to kill the entire crew?

 

[superkong 500]

The way I see it, WY wanted the organism to study and to reproduce and control for monetary gain. If they could control it it could be used as a biological weapon and it would mean billions for them. As for the nostromo and its crew no matter what kind of ship it is they always have to respond to emergency signals. Of course WY knew there was a hostile organism on LV-426, they knew that the nostromo was coming from thedus and that their route would place them close to LV-426.

So having them respond to the signal was a given wether the company intended them to or not. But since W-Y knew the nostromo would pass close by they sent ash to make sure they responded to the signal and that the creature got inside the ship and back to earth.