Prometheus - Part 7

[Liam_H]

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I think they created lots of life around the galaxy, for what reason it is unknown to me at this time. But they started to fear us, clearly they kept tabs on us, we saw them as gods during ancient times. But now they fear us. To me him ripping David's head off proved that, we were the gods now, and they did not want that. Because they lose control if we can create things better possibly then they can.

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Jesus was a space jockey.

 

[Hit-Girl]

Jesus preached turning the other cheek yet he threatened rich people with a scourge he constructed himself. That's like Martin Luther King Jr threatening to bomb the White House.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Good point. You can sit and ponder deeper meanings for just about anything. Why are the pores on this sponge arranged this way? Is it random, or a pattern? Is some higher being trying to communicate with me through this sponge?

Wow, you've cracked the code to every branch of philosophy created by man. Congratulations!

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Easily half a dozen of these characters could have been cut.

There aren't even that many characters in the movie to begin with. I mean, look at it this way--this is a major expedition and you're going to need a lot of people on this ship to proper handle the mission. That's just how the story is set up. If you're ok with that part, you're definitely going to need to be okay with handling the dynamics of what makes an ensemble movie.

 

[DieSmiling]

Are those really "ideas" and "layers" or just questions you would have about a bunch of under-developed characters? You could seriously lay out the same kind of questions for a movie like Event Horizon if you tried hard enough

You could go either way on every movie. You can overanalyze any movie and create themes that aren't there or you could oversimplify any movie and disregard what's there.

 

[Figs]

Just got back and I really enjoyed it. 4/5

I have to shake my head at some of the people complaining that questions weren't answered. What questions exactly?? The movie made sense to me and didn't really leave anything unanswered.

 

[Liam_H]

I had very mixed feelings on the film. I was very impressed technically (the visuals and 3D were incredible) and the film obviously presents some interesting ideas and characters... But like others have said it doesn't seem to come together and deliver anything substantial and almost comes of anti-climatic at the end.

Admittedly, there were a few things I didn't really understand.

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1. What exactly were the holograms of the engineers and why were they shown? Was David consciously showing them to the crew? Did the engineer that was still alive sick the snakelike creatures (that Janek likened to WMDs) on them because they didn't want to wipe out Earth? I didn't get that.

2. What are David's motivations? His character was extremely interesting but confusing. Why exactly, other than resentment, did he poison Hollaway? Was he always serving Weyland's interests?

3. How is Charlize Theron Weyland's daughter? She's like 1000 years younger than he is. And did she bang Janek? Why? What a weird scene thrown in there.

Also, I'm obviously in the minority, but I don't see the end as sequel bait. Does anyone really think they're going to make a movie about Shaw and David going to the home of the engineers? I think it's just a somewhat inconclusive ending to stick with the general theme of Shaw's arc.

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1. It appears the holograms were a ship's log that showed something going wrong on that ship.

2. David was following Weyland's orders of "try harder". But its debatable if it was only because of that because we see how curious David can be at times. He probably wanted to know what would happen just as much as Weyland.

3. Her agreement to sleep with Janek seemed to stem from him suggesting she is also an android. Vickers resented David because her father seemed to care a great deal more about him than her. So basically she did it just to prove she was not an android.

 

[Hit-Girl]

You could go either way on every movie. You can overanalyze any movie and create themes that aren't there or you could oversimplify any movie and disregard what's there.

The trick is to give the audience enough to satisfy them, yet leave wanting more. It seems that Prometheus is just waving a dollar on a string in front of them then pulling it away at the last second. Or just dropping the ball.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

JThere's also a BIG lack of common sense from the characters in the film.

To be fair, this is like 2093.

What you consider common sense today isn't exactly common sense for these people then.

and if you know anything about how we all behave in real life---it's that common sense just isn't as common as we'd think it is. Sure, when we see it in a movie, we forget that we all sometimes make stupid decisions ourselves---I just never try to use the whole "common sense" thing as a potential issue in a movie anymore for that very reason.

 

[DieSmiling]

The only common sense thing I didn't get was

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why the hell did Charlize Theron keep running in a straight line when the ship was crashing down on her? Clearly you bail to the right or left and get out of its path... Just seemed stupid.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You could go either way on every movie. You can overanalyze any movie and create themes that aren't there or you could oversimplify any movie and disregard what's there.

...or you could, you know, fail to grasp anything from the film and blame it on lazy writing to compensate for your lack of perception.

Just sayin'.

 

[Figs]

Also, I'm obviously in the minority, but I don't see the end as sequel bait. Does anyone really think they're going to make a movie about Shaw and David going to the home of the engineers? I think it's just a somewhat inconclusive ending to stick with the general theme of Shaw's arc.

Neither do I. I don't think it's there to set up a sequel but give the audience what Scott knows they want in the end. From that point on it's a decent lead up to Alien.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Just got back and I really enjoyed it. 4/5

I have to shake my head at some of the people complaining that questions weren't answered. What questions exactly?? The movie made sense to me and didn't really leave anything unanswered.

Yeah, I'm a bit flabbergasted and bewildered from the complaints that the movie answered nothing or not enough.

Really?

Jeez, people these days need everything handed to them.

 

[Liam_H]

If there are two more films in this trilogy I personally hope it does not end right before Alien. Keep elements but go in a different direction.

 

[Liam_H]

The only common sense thing I didn't get was

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why the hell did Charlize Theron keep running in a straight line when the ship was crashing down on her? Clearly you bail to the right or left and get out of its path... Just seemed stupid.

Out of the 'common sense problems' that came up in this film that didn't bother me cause it appears she's just not use to type of stuff. Overseeing things on the inside just like she did in the movie. Also when you have death approaching you sometimes you just move on adrenaline without really thinking what is the best way to go about it.

 

[Figs]

Yeah, I'm a bit flabbergasted and bewildered from the complaints that the movie answered nothing or not enough.

Really?

Jeez, people these days need everything handed to them.

It's a mixed bag. You get people that ***** because a movie spoon fed them, then you get people who ***** because a movie didn't hold their hand the whole way through.

If there are two more films in this trilogy I personally hope it does not end right before Alien. Keep elements but go in a different direction.

Personally, I don't want a sequel. This movie showed us what exactly the space jockey's were/are and showed us a close to complete evolution of the bug to Xenomorph.

 

[Solidus]

It's a mixed bag. You get people that ***** because a movie spoon fed them, then you get people who ***** because a movie didn't hold their hand the whole way through.

Ya you can't win on the internet lol. Or maybe that is in general.

Glad you liked it too Figs. Honestly after thinking about it for about 6 hours I love it even more, and can't wait for another viewing. Can't wait to have it on blu-ray for that matter.

 

[EML420]

I plan on seeing this tomorrow and is the 3d worth it?

 

[SuperSoldier985]

EDIT: Also the black slime was important and not just doing whatever it needed to do. It was a bio weapon, some one had a great post about it, and pretty much figured it out what it was. It is all there, that part is not ambiguous, it is just subtle in it's exposition of it.

Nope. Too much work.

If it wasn't explained in the movie, I don't care. It sucked.




j/k

 

[Figs]

Ya you can't win on the internet lol. Or maybe that is in general.

Glad you liked it too Figs. Honestly after thinking about it for about 6 hours I love it even more, and can't wait for another viewing. Can't wait to have it on blu-ray for that matter.

Same here!

Hahaha! I asked one of my buddies if he liked it and he texted me saying he did but didn't like how Ridley trolled us at the end.

He was ******** because the space jockey wasn't the one from Alien since that was on a different planet, and he says that the alien at the end wasn't a real xenomorph. *sigh*

 

[CConn]

Yeah, honestly, the farther removed I am from it, the more and more I keep thinking about it, and enjoying and realizing new subtle aspects of it.

Thinking about it now, if anything, I wish it was even more ambiguous and mysterious.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I plan on seeing this tomorrow and is the 3d worth it?

In my opinion, yes. The 3D was possibly the best I've seen all year.

 

[Solidus]

Same here!

Hahaha! I asked one of my buddies if he liked it and he texted me saying he did but didn't like how Ridley trolled us at the end.

He was ******** because the space jockey wasn't the one from Alien since that was on a different planet, and he says that the alien at the end wasn't a real xenomorph. *sigh*

Ya, if it was a straight up pure step by step simple prequel to Alien many would have complained about that, it just relying so much on Alien. But when it does something different and goes about it in a very unique way not typical of most prequels they don't want it lol. Oh well such as life can't please em all. Some of my buds are split, but after having coffee and talking about it some are seeing it differently now. Same happened with many other films with us in the past.

 

[Figs]

Ya, if it was a straight up pure step by step simple prequel to Alien many would have complained about that, it just relying so much on Alien. But when it does something different and goes about it in a very unique way not typical of most prequels they don't want it lol. Oh well such as life can't please em all. Some of my buds are split, but after having coffee and talking about it some are seeing it differently now. Same happened with many other films with us in the past.

Exactly. I'm so glad it wasn't a direct prequel taking place on the planet that was in Alien. This whole movie at the forefront was just to answer questions fans had for years about the space jockey(the race at least) and how the xenomorphs came about. I thought Ridley did it well. He kind of leaves you wanting more, but at the same time I think it was a perfect way to end it and jump into Alien. The movies don't have to be directly tied to be enjoyable since they're all in the same universe still.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It's a mixed bag. You get people that ***** because a movie spoon fed them, then you get people who ***** because a movie didn't hold their hand the whole way through.

Ugh, it's irritating, man. No one is ever satisfied. Either the film spoon feeds you or holds your hand for too long; or it doesn't spoon feed you or hold your hand long enough.