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spidey-dude said:
I don't know anyone else who has seen it

Big spoilers below people

At first the ending really annoyed me because I thought that was the ship from Alien, and the flying off ending normally bugs me too in films.... but i realised that it fits the theme of wanting answers and not nessacarily getting them. I would guess that the Xeno is the queen and lays all the eggs in another spacecraft. One of which hatches and impregnates (is that the word) the jockey in cryo. When he wakes he attempts to flee the planet but chest bursts and that is the original ship from alien.... the only thing that bothered me in the film which had no explanation was that clearly xenos already existed as there were the piles of bodies with burst chests, but we never found out what happened to them, presumably they would be on the ship somewhere?
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thats not the planet from Alien....the Alien planet is LV-426, the Prometheus planet is LV-223
 
Just saw the movie today.....beautiful movie....9/10 Loved almost everything about it.
I don't understand all the questions on here about the Alien references. It seems as though most people didn't appreciate them. Why would there be an issue with them in the movie? This is a prequel series right? There needs to be Alien references slowly explaining the Engineer at the beginning of "Alien"!!!!

We are getting Part 2 correct? We better be!!!!!!!!!!
 
Midnite1971 said:
Just saw the movie today.....beautiful movie....9/10 Loved almost everything about it.
I don't understand all the questions on here about the Alien references. It seems as though most people didn't appreciate them. Why would there be an issue with them in the movie? This is a prequel series right? There needs to be Alien references slowly explaining the Engineer at the beginning of "Alien"!!!!

We are getting Part 2 correct? We better be!!!!!!!!!!
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It will have to make money for a sequel. I don't think Fox would put down big money again if this doesn't break even. May be challenging, as depending on who you talk to, the word of mouth is either extremely positive or very negative, there is no middle ground.
 
First I will say Sharkboy I compltely disagree, and honestly I know this has been said before people I have shown Blade Runner to the first time said the same thing. Is this in the same leauge as Blade Runner? No. This film has many flaws, but I really enjoyed it.

This film has a lot of depth I think, and just like Inception Blade Runner, or 2001 some will not think so and some will, it's not right or wrong, it's just perception. I will be writing a thesis of what I think the film is hinting to later.

Pros: Of course what many have said visually the film is amazing, I loved the interiror and exterior, the film always looked great. Soundtrack worked in the film, and David/Shaw were the best and Janek and Vickers were interesting characters as well.

Cons: The secondary characters like the two scientists not the best, some of the writing for them was poor, and honestly they should have just shrunk their roles into fewer people and given them more depth. The ending was odd, not so much the "spoiler" part at the end, but more so just the structure of it was odd. This was not a horror film at all, and Scott never should have said as much.

Honestly I look back at Blade Runner how poeple said the acting sucked, it meant nothing and this film. To me there is a lot of meat and potatoes in this film, and many viewings I am excited to try and find some things. The center of this story really is David-Shaw-Engineers. Pretty much creators and the created trying to discover the purpose. Shaw resembling the person that wants to find out "why" which is a drive of humans, and for another character I won't say who, but one is trying to find their creator/god because they fear death and do not want to die. It goes into why people believe whatever it is they do believe. Some for fear, some for curiousity. A very interesting duality. The parabole of Prometheus itself is heavy there, and I think a lot more answers are in there then people may intially see.

Bottom Line:

Is this film perfect? No. But I can't stop thinking about it, I foudn so many visual cues and paraboles I really feel I get what Ridley was doing. Will everyone like it? hell no. Same goes with many sci-fi's that are so ambigous.

But I thought this was a great film, and I think will get better on more viewings. And I will turn around and see it a few more times for sure.

Overall Rating:

8.7/10

This movie won't be everyone's cup of tea, but for some I think it will become a cult thing and may grow in popularity as time continues. No I'm not just saying this because Scott with Blade Runner, it's hard not to compare it to that, but honestly I think Scott asks some amazing questions all centering around origin and creation. A flawed film, but still I think a deep engaging and visually beautiful sci-fi.
 
mini-review:
Script/Technical: Gorgeous movie. Amazing CGI and cinematography. Creature and set designs very slick and memorable. Lack of balance in the extremely high-reaching and at times, risky script dept brings a lot down, especially following the film's second act - 7/10
Acting/Dialogue: Excellent and memorable performances all around, some classic and some cliche character work remained surprisingly balanced - 8.5/10
Fun/Pace: Movie never felt draggy, always something to see, scary and intense sequences and narrative move along at a good clip. It's old school science fiction with new school toys. Those seeking a straightforward action movie might be disappointed with its foundation building. - 9/10


8.2/10 - Enjoyable, frightening, and at times, a little too much to take in at once, Prometheus isn't my favorite movie of the year and comes close to expectations, but its aggressive sci-fi overtones and script choices keeps it from being the masterpiece a lot of people wanted.
 
Nice numbers.....it should end this weekend with 50+
There really needs to be a continuation of the story....this is not a stand alone script.

Everyone that I've talked to....Alien and non-Alien fans are loving the atmosphere of the movie. They have some issues with the dialogue and the unanswered questions, in which I agree, but as a whole they all loved it.
 
Seriously, the first hour is like the most perfect date you can go on. Everything, goddamn everything is nearly perfect. And then something happens and it becomes a run of the mill slasher movie.

I could go on in detail, but I'm just too bummed. By no means a bad film, but it could have but something special. I swear, that first hour, I thought I was in heaven. Exaggeration? Probably, but goddamn did I love that first hour.

As big of a LOST fan as I am, shame on Lindelof for some glaring plot-holes with[BLACKOUT] Shaw's baby. How the hell did no one even bother to ask Shaw what happened to her? They tried to quarantine her, she attacks two crew members, then operates on herself in Vicker's own quarters, and not one flying **** is given.[/BLACKOUT]

All in all, I'm glad this film exists. Maybe my expectations were a tad too high.
 
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Video review of the movie. Hope you enjoy!

And to be honest, I was a little disappointed but this film is undoubtedly good. Someone else mentioned how the opinions on it are very divided thus making it an important film and I have grown to agree. We haven't heard the last of this one folks!
 
PWN3R said:
Seriously, the first hour is like the most perfect date you can go on. Everything, goddamn everything is nearly perfect. And then something happens and it becomes a run of the mill slasher movie.

I could go on in detail, but I'm just too bummed. By no means a bad film, but it could have but something special. I swear, that first hour, I thought I was in heaven. Exaggeration? Probably, but goddamn did I love that first hour.

As big of a LOST fan as I am, shame on Lindelof for some glaring plot-holes with[BLACKOUT] Shaw's baby. How the hell did no one even bother to ask Shaw what happened to her? They tried to quarantine her, she attacks two crew members, then operates on herself in Vicker's own quarters, and not one flying **** is given.[/BLACKOUT]

All in all, I'm glad this film exists. Maybe my expectations were a tad too high.
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Ya that was kinda a wierd part. Though I wonder:

David seemed to know about it, with out even asking, he knew what was in there, and I think wanted it to be born. David is such a deep character I have yet to uncover all there is about him. But he honestly I think knew. As for everyone else I don't know if they did, but ya where the hell was the other people that tried to take her? They just gave up and went oh well? Ya there were some parts like that I agree that made the film flawed, but I still think it was great.

A great film but flawed.
 
CConn said:
Dudes, the whole point of the movie is that when it comes to philosophy, theology, science, life...there is no answers, there's just endless questions and mysterious that lead us deeper and deeper into exploration and self-actualization.
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This explains Damon Lindelof's participation.. :p
 
Liam_H said:
Did I miss it or did they not explain how [BLACKOUT]Milburn and Fifield got lost when they wanted to head back first? It seemed like the script just needed them to be there so they could get killed. I was also confused as to how no one went to Shaw as she escaped, that operation was not super quick, somebody would've shown up.[/BLACKOUT]
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The place seemed like a massive maze that was quite easy to get lost in.

and besides, at its root, this is a sci-fi thriller and it wouldn't be that if there weren't some isolated casualties, so at that point, you needed to respect the genre that you're adapting to. :p
 
Not sure where this came from, but..:

After David opened the chamber door, he atmosphericly compromised the room’s air which had been sealed for around 2000 years (we know this because they carbon dated the headless body by about 2000 years). Fresh air caused the murals on the wall to degrade and the temperature difference of the fresh air caused the canisters to sweat, like when you put ice in a glass of water. This also had an effect on the biological liquids in the canisters, causing them to start expanding (liquids can expand when the temperature radically canges).
When David first walks into the chamber, we see (although none of the crew notice) that he disturbs some form of larvae on the ground (they come up from under the ground after he steps on it). These are most likely left over from the space jockey head left in the room (these may also be what causes the head to explode later during the examination, but that’s a whole other topic). The black liquid in the canisters is a bio weapon, from what I understood in the murals we saw in the walls, the main one showed the alien xenomorph at it’s centre, suggesting that the biological black liquid is designed to grow into the alien xenomorph – each canister when activated will become one alien drone, most likely a soldier that can NOT reproduce (otherwise there would be no way to control them once the space jockeys have unleashed them on their target, the xenomorph would NOT be capable of implanting an embryo in another being). The black liquid though, because it does create a living organism from nothing, would have to contain some kind of advanced steroid that affects biological matter in order to create a life form.
When the black liquid pools on the ground, the larvae we saw on the ground began to bathe in it and feed on it. As a result, it bioformed them as it’s capable of doing, the end result being an agressive more advanced worm creature, the creatures encountered by Fifield and Millburn. When the creature sprays acid on Fifield’s helmet it begins to melt it. Fifield then falls into the black liquid, but when he stands the helmet has been melted enough that it collapses inwards. The mixture of melted helmet and the black liquid burns into his face, causing him to pass out, falling face first into the black liquid, where it begins to biologically change him as it did the larvae worms.

Meanwhile, Holloway, who has ingested a single drop of the black liquid, has been undergoing internal changes. As he ingested it, and only in a small amount, his change has taken more time, working more subtly, changing his internal organs first including his reproductive system. Because of this, and unawares to either of them, he impregnates Shaw with an embryo that is human based, but has been part changed by the black liquid. Holloway begins to suffer radical changes with the black liquid changing him into a xenomorph drone. He’s not as far along as Fifield when we last see him, and his behavour and mind has not been changed yet when he sacrifices himself.

The real surprise is that because the creature that Shaw gives birth to is a hybrid of human and xenomorph genetics, it contains all of the genetic traits of the xenomorphs, intelligence, aggression, but it now also contains in some form, a reproductive system, meaning that it is able to implant an embryo in a being (as we see at the movie’s end), which it will take traits from and evolve into the xenomorph we know.
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DoomsdayApex said:
That's solely your opinion, and I don't agree with it.

Don't play the "oh, if it wasn't [blank]'s name attached to this movie, you'd be ripping it" card either. I disliked Robin Hood and a few other titles on Ridley's resume. So please. :dry: My enjoyment didn't come from Scott's name being plastered all over the film.
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This.

I'll be the first to admit that Ridley is definitely one of the least consistent big name directors out there lately and so I kept my expectations and my bias very realistic. I thought I gave credit to this movie where it deserved it and I've been able to embrace all of the criticisms and complaints about the movie as reasonable.
 
spider-neil said:
Yes. The movie doesn't need it.
Scott should have made a movie set in the same universe but with completely different characters and themes.
To use a crude analogy the movie should have been set in the MARVEL universe and if Alien was Spider-Man and Aliens is Spider-Man 2 then Prometheus needed to be Blade (for example) not Spider-Man 2.5 (with a Blade cameo).
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Nah, the movie needed it. It would've been in deep water with all the other things it tried to suggest without exploring the nature and the connection to what this movie had to do with the xenomorphs in the first place. If you start questioning that, then, well, you have very little to work with in exploring the origin.
 
elsewhere said:
Have you seen the movie? It's not going to get much better on second viewing. I guarantee it.

It's no Blade Runner.
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Heh, it's interesting you say that. I really disliked Blade Runner when I first saw it. I didn't see what was so good about it.

It took me two more viewings to truly love and appreciate it.

I think a lot of Scott's movies tend to be this way for some reason (i.e., Robin Hood, American Gangster...etc. Tend to get better over time )
 
CConn said:
That end scene was just a nod to fans...it didn't have any point plotwise.
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I disagree.

Ridley Scott has mentioned many times over the decades that the xenomorphs were biological weapons created to adapt into any environment or biology of where it's "landed". I will side with the idea that black liquid served as a way to create a single xenomorph entirely on its own (which explains the hyper accelerated growth, mutation, and breakdown of the lifeforms it bonds with).

However, since this black liquid was "infused" with the internal reproductive system of a human (courtesy of Holloway/Shaw), it created a hyper aggressive hybrid second stage of the life cycle in the xenomorph that is designed to find hosts to complete the cycle where the xenomorph can draw its biology from.

It's not explicit, but having that scene at the end, showing a apparent xenomorph queen capable of possibly reproducing asexually, while could've been executed better, completed its circle of life if you will, that had been established from the beginning.

What may make it feel like it doesn't really need to be there is only because there is never a point in the movie that explicitly describes that there is a direct connection between the liquid and the xenomorph. Without this scene, you had nothing at all and without it, you have an incomplete exploration as to what that black liquid actually does. The mural of the apparent xenomorph in the "artillery room" seems to back up this idea.
 
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SuperSoldier985 said:
I disagree.

Ridley Scott has mentioned many times over the decades that the xenomorphs were biological weapons created to adapt into any environment or biology of where it's "landed". I will side with the idea that black liquid served as a way to create a single xenomorph entirely on its own (which explains the hyper accelerated growth, mutation, and breakdown of the lifeforms it bonds with).

However, since this black liquid was "infused" with the internal reproductive system of a human (courtesy of Holloway/Shaw), it created a hyper aggressive hybrid second stage of the life cycle in the xenomorph that is designed to find hosts to complete the cycle where the xenomorph can draw its biology from.

It's not explicit, but having that scene at the end, showing a apparent xenomorph queen capable of possibly reproducing asexually, while could've been executed better, completed its circle of life if you will, that had been established from the beginning.

What may make it feel like it doesn't really need to be there is only because there is never a point in the movie that explicitly describes that there is a direct connection between the liquid and the xenomorph. Without this scene, you had nothing at all and without it, you have an incomplete exploration as to what that black liquid actually does.
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I do agree with this, there is a lot more there too. However, that was not the ending part that upset, me it was just kinda the rest of it that had some problems. However I still loved it. This is a film that I know I'll like on subsequent viewings.

It's funny because some of my friends are split on this, and I love it because it does give great discussion and insight. This is a film I'll be cracking open for the next year for sure. The final part though was a full complete circle of Alien I thought. The black goo is actually given great explanation but very subtle like.
 
Solidus said:
First I will say Sharkboy I compltely disagree, and honestly I know this has been said before people I have shown Blade Runner to the first time said the same thing. Is this in the same leauge as Blade Runner? No. This film has many flaws, but I really enjoyed it.

This film has a lot of depth I think, and just like Inception Blade Runner, or 2001 some will not think so and some will, it's not right or wrong, it's just perception. I will be writing a thesis of what I think the film is hinting to later.

Pros: Of course what many have said visually the film is amazing, I loved the interiror and exterior, the film always looked great. Soundtrack worked in the film, and David/Shaw were the best and Janek and Vickers were interesting characters as well.

Cons: The secondary characters like the two scientists not the best, some of the writing for them was poor, and honestly they should have just shrunk their roles into fewer people and given them more depth. The ending was odd, not so much the "spoiler" part at the end, but more so just the structure of it was odd. This was not a horror film at all, and Scott never should have said as much.

Honestly I look back at Blade Runner how poeple said the acting sucked, it meant nothing and this film. To me there is a lot of meat and potatoes in this film, and many viewings I am excited to try and find some things. The center of this story really is David-Shaw-Engineers. Pretty much creators and the created trying to discover the purpose. Shaw resembling the person that wants to find out "why" which is a drive of humans, and for another character I won't say who, but one is trying to find their creator/god because they fear death and do not want to die. It goes into why people believe whatever it is they do believe. Some for fear, some for curiousity. A very interesting duality. The parabole of Prometheus itself is heavy there, and I think a lot more answers are in there then people may intially see.

Bottom Line:

Is this film perfect? No. But I can't stop thinking about it, I foudn so many visual cues and paraboles I really feel I get what Ridley was doing. Will everyone like it? hell no. Same goes with many sci-fi's that are so ambigous.

But I thought this was a great film, and I think will get better on more viewings. And I will turn around and see it a few more times for sure.

Overall Rating:

8.7/10

This movie won't be everyone's cup of tea, but for some I think it will become a cult thing and may grow in popularity as time continues. No I'm not just saying this because Scott with Blade Runner, it's hard not to compare it to that, but honestly I think Scott asks some amazing questions all centering around origin and creation. A flawed film, but still I think a deep engaging and visually beautiful sci-fi.
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This film is not ambiguous. Where are all these ideas and layers people are talking about? It is pretty straightforward, but tries to put on the guise of being something "deep". It just isn't that smart and has some of the worst character work you could hope for.

And it isn't just the minor characters, it is also the likes of Holloway, Shaw, Vickers and Janek. David and arguably [BLACKOUT]Weyland [/BLACKOUT]are the only two characters that work.

A lot of what works is the surprise. If anything, on multiple viewings the film will lose steam.
 
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SuperSoldier985 said:
I disagree.

Ridley Scott has mentioned many times over the decades that the xenomorphs were biological weapons created to adapt into any environment or biology of where it's "landed". I will side with the idea that black liquid served as a way to create a single xenomorph entirely on its own (which explains the hyper accelerated growth, mutation, and breakdown of the lifeforms it bonds with).

However, since this black liquid was "infused" with the internal reproductive system of a human (courtesy of Holloway/Shaw), it created a hyper aggressive hybrid second stage of the life cycle in the xenomorph that is designed to find hosts to complete the cycle where the xenomorph can draw its biology from.

It's not explicit, but having that scene at the end, showing a apparent xenomorph queen capable of possibly reproducing asexually, while could've been executed better, completed its circle of life if you will, that had been established from the beginning.

What may make it feel like it doesn't really need to be there is only because there is never a point in the movie that explicitly describes that there is a direct connection between the liquid and the xenomorph. Without this scene, you had nothing at all and without it, you have an incomplete exploration as to what that black liquid actually does. The mural of the apparent xenomorph in the "artillery room" seems to back up this idea.
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The scene is unnecessary.

The movie ends with Shaw and her decision. The scene feels tacked on just by the nature of where it lands in the film.

Also, we still don't know what the liquid does. It continues to change depending on who and why they were exposed to it.
 
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