Prometheus - Part 7

[moviedoors]

Something that a lot of people aren't talking about is Michael Fassbender's performance. There was so much going on with his character, just a great performance all around, stole the show if you ask me.

This I can get behind. I wish he had been the main character. His motivations are fuzzy but the man is such a brilliant actor that you just go with it. He's not human, he's not evil, he's just curious and doing what's in his nature to do. I like him almost as much as I like Bishop.

 

[CConn]

...I'm not following that logic.

EDIT: Dammit. I meant @ComicBookKid

 

[Lando81]

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Then why bother with different numbers? Plus, like someone else pointed out, they have proposed a sequel which should bridge the gap. This didn't cover the whole story.

Like David said in the film: "Big things have small beginnings." Ridley Scott and Co. Have created a universe full of questions and answers, just waiting to be explored again and again.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I thought the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven was a disaterous movie so that director's cut must be SOME movie.

Drugs are bad.

 

[moviedoors]

I'm not happy to be saying it, bud. I was looking forward to this for ages, but since I watched it last Friday it's lost a lot of its shine. Maybe a repeat viewing will show me what I want, and I will give it the oppertunity, but until then, eh...

Yeah, I didn't hate it walking out of the theater or anything. I didn't love it, but I wasn't going "man that sucked!". I still don't think that. But the more I think about it, the more it falls apart, and the more I realize how unsatisfying it was. It's the opposite of the what happened with Cabin in the Woods, which I walked out loving, but after thinking on it and letting it stew, decided was a masterpiece.

I'm sure I'll watch Prometheus again on blu, but I'm not expecting any major revelations.

 

[terry78]

Caught it earlier with my Pops. Above average in most respects as you would expect. A litle muddled in a few places story-wise, but I enjoyed it, as did the old man. When Elba's character

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hits on Theron and she says for him to meet her in her quarters in ten minutes, some dude yelled out, "Stringer be getting that ass!" Haha.

Also, as cringe inducing as the scene was, Noomi Rapace has a tight ass body on her. I was like, damn.

 

[Liam_H]

Lol, the male mind can never be turned off.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Actually the more I have thought about Prometheus, the more I like it. I really want to watch it again now.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

...I'm not following that logic.

EDIT: Dammit. I meant @ComicBookKid

What don't you follow? The Engineers are a lot like what happened with the Others on Lost. The movie never really ascribes any motive to them. It's all what the characters assume or what we piece together based on extra bits we know that they don't.

Bioweapons gives the impression of something violent behind their experiments or to wipe us out. The same way we experiment on lesser creatures is what they were going to do with the liquid to us, I think.


The giant head in the room with the murals looked like religion(same as the hieroglyphics on Earth). The liquid being in the room makes me think they were looking for answers to their creation as well.

 

[Lord]

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They've been confirmed by multiple sources to be the same place.

Whic sources confirmed that? Every talk and page on the net says they're different places

 

[spider-neil]

Drugs are bad.

Kingdom of Heaven
Rotten tomatoes 35%

I guess a lot of people were on the same drug.

 

[moviedoors]

Without the opening scene, the movie would have no point. As that was the actual creation of human life.

It's a remarkable looking and staged scene, but if you cut it, would it really have removed any key info from the movie? I don't think it would. It would have been more ambiguous, but what we find out later with the crew all but confirms it.

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I was iffy on the exact match of the DNA too. This looked like a pre-life Earth. So the Engineers come, one of them drinks the plot goo, and life on Earth begins. 4 billion years of evolution and millions upon millions of creatures later, and that DNA isn't just a little dissimilar? Not to mention the Engineers are 12 feet tall, hairless, and god knows what else is different about their physiology. I was scratching my head over how there was an exact match with human DNA.

 

[moviedoors]

Kingdom of Heaven
Rotten tomatoes 35%

I guess a lot of people were on the same drug.

I wish I had been on drugs when I saw it. I was bored out of my mind by that movie.

I have yet to see the director's cut.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

[BLACKOUT]Was the opening Earth?[/BLACKOUT] Or is that just an assumption?

 

[terry78]

^A lot of people assumed it was from my showing. Just murmuring about it.

 

[moviedoors]

Whic sources confirmed that? Every talk and page on the net says they're different places

That part is pretty clear. Different planetary designation names, and the events don't line up. It's cut and dry.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

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I don't think "humans" or "xenomorphs" were exactly planned. I think the black stuff just reconstructs DNA based on its environment. The Engineers were trying to create life and so they tested the black ooze on hundreds of planets (as shown in the hologram), however, eventually, some of their own creations turn on them. When the Engineer at the end woke up, he didn't attack the humans at first because he had no idea what they were until David asked "Why did you create us?" then he realised that these were created by the Engineers and he decided to kill them before they could come after the rest of the Engineers. That's also why he was targeting Earth. I feel like the first Xenomorph ever was the one shown at the movie, created as a result of Holloway's mutation mixed with the alcohol and fornication, resulting in the facehugger (the only creature we saw come from the black ooze in that room was the snake like things, which came as a result of David's sweat and the atmosphere). Again, I think the black ooze can create something completely different depending on the circumstances. This film successfully set up the existence of BILLIONS of other alien species if they wanted to go that route.

 

[moviedoors]

[BLACKOUT]Was the opening Earth?[/BLACKOUT] Or is that just an assumption?

Good question. I'm fairly certain it is, but there's never any clear indication.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Without the opening scene, the movie would have no point. As that was the actual creation of human life.

But the way it played out to me just made it feel pointless, it felt like an excuse to chuck in visual effects and nothing more.

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Alien/Aliens was on LV426. Prometheus took place on LV223. So, it doesn't actually contradict anything because it was another place occupied by the same race

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Then that makes sense since if the movie really was a prequel to the original Alien and the climax was setting everything up, there were obvious inconsistancies with how Alien begins.

 

[Liam_H]

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I don't think "humans" or "xenomorphs" were exactly planned. I think the black stuff just reconstructs DNA based on its environment. The Engineers were trying to create life and so they tested the black ooze on hundreds of planets (as shown in the hologram), however, eventually, some of their own creations turn on them. When the Engineer at the end woke up, he didn't attack the humans at first because he had no idea what they were until David asked "Why did you create us?" then he realised that these were created by the Engineers and he decided to kill them before they could come after the rest of the Engineers. That's also why he was targeting Earth. I feel like the first Xenomorph ever was the one shown at the movie, created as a result of Holloway's mutation mixed with the alcohol and fornication, resulting in the facehugger (the only creature we saw come from the black ooze in that room was the snake like things, which came as a result of David's sweat and the atmosphere). Again, I think the black ooze can create something completely different depending on the circumstances. This film successfully set up the existence of BILLIONS of other alien species if they wanted to go that route.

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It seemed to me we were definitely planned in some way or form. Its just that 2000 years ago they had decided to exterminate us or something similar. So when the Engineer they awoke realized who we were he freaked out and immediately set a course for Earth again to continue what they had planned.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

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I don't think "humans" or "xenomorphs" were exactly planned. I think the black stuff just reconstructs DNA based on its environment. The Engineers were trying to create life and so they tested the black ooze on hundreds of planets (as shown in the hologram), however, eventually, some of their own creations turn on them. When the Engineer at the end woke up, he didn't attack the humans at first because he had no idea what they were until David asked "Why did you create us?" then he realised that these were created by the Engineers and he decided to kill them before they could come after the rest of the Engineers. That's also why he was targeting Earth. I feel like the first Xenomorph ever was the one shown at the movie, created as a result of Holloway's mutation mixed with the alcohol and fornication, resulting in the facehugger (the only creature we saw come from the black ooze in that room was the snake like things, which came as a result of David's sweat and the atmosphere). Again, I think the black ooze can create something completely different depending on the circumstances. This film successfully set up the existence of BILLIONS of other alien species if they wanted to go that route.

But[BLACKOUT]wasn't there a Xenomorph on the mural wall in the pyramid?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Lord]

That part is pretty clear. Different planetary designation names, and the events don't line up. It's cut and dry.

How is it clear if the film contradicts that assumption?

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In the end the space jockey doesn't stay where he was supposed to be like in the original, so it's pretty obvious it isn't the same planet, both even have different names so there's no need to make them the same planet when so many parts of the film contradicted it

 

[Balthus Dire]

Man, I've been so stoked for this movie and I thought it was massively disappointing. The script was a mess for the most part and as a prequel to Alien it manages to screw up more continuity issues than it answers. Add a bunch of forgettable characters with little to no development or characterization and you have a pretty pointless movie IMO.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

^A lot of people assumed it was from my showing. Just murmuring about it.

I thought it was originally, but nothing about it actually connects to anything. [BLACKOUT]The saucer ship or the decomposition. Nothing explains what the different societies were painting the giant man pointing to the sky for.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Silvermoth]

I thought it was incredible! It's a shame people believed the hype a bit too much because if you see it on it's own merits then it's truly amazing!

It's a shame they couldn't get Michael Gambon to play Weyland or someone like that. It was a bit distracting.

Still, can't wait for Prometheus 2!

Everyone is talking about Charlize and Elizabeth Shaw but I reckon Idris Elba was the real star. He was fantastic. Even if he only had a little thing to do, he really made it work.