Prometheus - Part 7

[moviedoors]

How is it clear if the film contradicts that assumption?

Spoiler

In the end the space jockey doesn't stay where he was supposed to be like in the original, so it's pretty obvious it isn't the same planet, both even have different names so there's no need to make them the same planet when so many parts of the film contradicted it

I was agreeing with that.

 

[Lord]

I was agreeing with that.

my bad

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

It's a remarkable looking and staged scene, but if you cut it, would it really have removed any key info from the movie? I don't think it would. It would have been more ambiguous, but what we find out later with the crew all but confirms it.

Spoiler

I was iffy on the exact match of the DNA too. This looked like a pre-life Earth. So the Engineers come, one of them drinks the plot goo, and life on Earth begins. 4 billion years of evolution and millions upon millions of creatures later, and that DNA isn't just a little dissimilar? Not to mention the Engineers are 12 feet tall, hairless, and god knows what else is different about their physiology. I was scratching my head over how there was an exact match with human DNA.

Spoiler

From my point of view, it showed that the Engineer from the opening was going against the will of the others, explaining why the ones on the ship wanted to destroy earth. A rouge engineer was responsible for human life, and the other engineers wanted to take Earth out before the humans "became the Gods", As 2000 years ago the Engineers realized that the human race was advancing at a rapid rate. Just how I interpreted it though.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Spoiler

It seemed to me we were definitely planned in some way or form. Its just that 2000 years ago they had decided to exterminate us or something similar. So when the Engineer they awoke realized who we were he freaked out and immediately set a course for Earth again to continue what they had planned.

But[BLACKOUT]wasn't there a Xenomorph on the mural wall in the pyramid?[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

If that's the case then perhaps they knew that humans were the key to bringing about the Xenomorph facehuggers. That would also add up to why they were headed back to Earth in the first place - to make something "better".

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Spoiler

If that's the case then perhaps they knew that humans were the key to bringing about the Xenomorph facehuggers. That would also add up to why they were headed back to Earth in the first place - to make something "better".

It explains the "invitation".

 

[terry78]

If you watch the '79 Alien now, do you see anything you didn't notice before after watching this?

 

[moviedoors]

Spoiler

From my point of view, it showed that the Engineer from the opening was going against the will of the others, explaining why the ones on the ship wanted to destroy earth. A rouge engineer was responsible for human life, and the other engineers wanted to take Earth out before the humans "became the Gods", As 2000 years ago the Engineers realized that the human race was advancing at a rapid rate. Just how I interpreted it though.

Hmm. Interesting interpretation, but I don't quite see it bared out in the film.

There's the ambiguity of 2001: A Space Odyssey, which gives us just enough and crucially leaves enough unsaid, and on the other side of the coin there's "wait, what?"

I unfortunately find Prometheus in the later camp.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Hmm. Interesting interpretation, but I don't quite see it bared out in the film.

There's the ambiguity of 2001: A Space Odyssey, which gives us just enough and crucially leaves enough unsaid, and on the other side of the coin there's "wait, what?"

I unfortunately find Prometheus in the later camp.

Yea, this is definitely one of those movies where more of the fun comes from thinking about the subtext and various themes than actually seeing the movie.

 

[Wyrminarrd]

Spoiler

My take is that either there are different factions within the "Engineers" or Earth was being used as a breeding ground for weapon test subjects.

If there are different factions then one of them watched over Earth for all those years (and shows up in the paintings) while another one that gained the upper hand about 2000 years ago (thanks to the black goo) didn't like the idea of creating other intelligent lifeforms.

My guess was that they didn't show up on Earth million of years ago but instead introduced foreign DNA into apes that caused them to evolve into humans and looked a lot like the "engineers".

If Earth was being used as a breeding ground it could be due to moral restrictions on testing bio weapons on members of their own species. In order to get around that they created a species that would react the same way as they when exposed to the bio weapon. This scenario however does not explain why they would leave paintings pointing to a specific star system. Same goes for lone rogue since clearly the "engineers" were involved with primitive humans for a long time.

 

[Kane52630]

My review

Prometheus

Not exactly the film I was prepared for but it was fantastic nevertheless. Amazing atmosphere, great cast (especially Fassbender), and for what it was...a great story. My major complaint about this was the heavy exposition throughout the film except for the very end where you were waiting for the big reveal but it fails to deliver all the way through. Though I am excited to see what's next, with what they've teased in the end was really exciting.
8.5/10

 

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by moviedoors
Hmm. Interesting interpretation, but I don't quite see it bared out in the film.

There's the ambiguity of 2001: A Space Odyssey, which gives us just enough and crucially leaves enough unsaid, and on the other side of the coin there's "wait, what?"

I unfortunately find Prometheus in the later camp.

I enjoyed Prometheus a hell of a lot more than I enjoyed 2001.

 

[moviedoors]

I enjoyed Prometheus a hell of a lot more than I enjoyed 2001.

We'll never find common ground there. I think 2001 is one of the 10 or even 5 best works of cinema ever made. Prometheus was an okay version of Planet of the Vampires.

 

[enterthemadness]

Spoiler

Was Weyland not young in this? Missed parts due to piss break, but I never saw Guy Pearce, except as a old man.

I give it a 6.5/10. So-so, watchable, I'm more of a Predator fan. I'll watch a Director's cut though. Fassbender stole this movie btw. Beautiful looking movie. Before I see this again, I should watch the Alien series. Only seen AvP 1&2. This is connected to those movies, right? Or would this be like say a alternate universe connection. I can't see Mr. Scott wanting any connection to those movies. I still like the story in AVP better than Promethus...such a shame the novelization of AVP kicks ass and movie is just "watchable". Mr. Scott should had done AVP...same story, same everything, just 30-40 minutes longer to flesh it out. My point is, I like Paul W.S Anderson as a visual director, but dude can't write scripts...he makes B movies with Hollywood budgets.

Anyhoo, I enjoyed Promethus. Yes, i said it was so-so, it is, but I had high expections and minimal Alien Universe knowledge. And damn, Charlize Theron was hot....Blu-ray was made for her.

 

[Poeman]

Kingdom of Heaven
Rotten tomatoes 35%

I guess a lot of people were on the same drug.

Hey smartass that is the theaterical version on rottentomatoes.

Look up reviews of the DC...here let me help
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kingdom+of+heaven+directors+cut+review

http://www.reelviews.net/movies/k/kingdom_heaven_directors.html

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/movies-we-love-kingdom-of-heaven-the-directors-cut.php

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/711/711469p1.html

An extended director's cut of the movie was released on December 23, 2005, at the Laemmle Fairfax Theatre in Los Angeles, unsupported by advertising from 20th Century Fox. This version has been widely praised; at approximately 45 minutes longer than the original theatrical cut, it is purportedly the version Ridley Scott originally wanted released to theaters. The DVD of the extended Director's Cut was released on May 23, 2006. It comprises a four-disc box set with a runtime of 194 minutes, and is shown as a road show presentation with an overture, intermission and entr'acte; the Blu-ray Disc release omits the roadshow elements, running for 189 minutes. Scott gave an interview to STV on the occasion of the extended edition's UK release, when he discussed the motives and thinking behind the new version.[36]

After the pitching of this film, studio marketing executives took it to be an action-adventure hybrid rather than what Ridley Scott and William Monahan intended it to be: a historical epic examining religious conflict. 20th Century Fox promoted the film as an action movie with heavy elements of romance and, in their advertising campaign, made much of the "From the Director of Gladiator" slogan. When Scott presented the 194-minute version of the film to the studio, they balked at the length. Studio head Tom Rothman ordered the film to be trimmed down to only two hours, as he did not believe that a modern audience would go to see a three-hour-and-fifteen-minute movie. Ultimately, Rothman's decision backfired, as the film gained mixed reviews (with many commenting that the film seemed "incomplete") and severely under-performed at the US box office.

The Director's Cut (DC) has received a distinctly more positive reception from film critics than the theatrical release, with some reviewers suggesting that it is the most substantial Director's Cut of all time[37] and a title to equal any of Scott's other works.,[38] offering a much greater insight into the motivations of individual characters. Scott and his crew have all stated that they consider the Director's Cut to be the true version of the film and the theatrical cut more of an action movie trailer for the real film[citation needed]. Alexander Siddig, the Sudanese-born actor who played Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani, in particular agitated for the release of an extended cut[citation needed].

 

[spider-neil]

We'll never find common ground there. I think 2001 is one of the 10 or even 5 best works of cinema ever made. Prometheus was an okay version of Planet of the Vampires.

The pacing of 2001 absolutely kills the movie for me. I actually like slow burn but when someone is literally taking minutes to walk from one side of the room to the other that's just indulgent.

2001 - a masterpiece of visuals
but as a MOVIE the camera lingers far to long on the visuals to keep me engaged. Each to their own, 2001 certainly has it's place in cinema history but I don't own it and have no intention of seeing the movie again.

Prometheus has its flaws but I was engaged the entire time and imho the questions were just as compelling (for me) and the visuals are just as stunning.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Okay, can someone please explain something to me:

Spoiler

I'm reading about how this was apparently "not the same planet nor the same ship as Alien," and I'm just not buying it.

I can go out on a limb and say that it could be a different planet, simply because it was a different environment (sunlight, etc.) and a different name than LV-426.

HOWEVER: the friggin alien ship is exactly the same design as in Alien and while it's obvious that the "Engineers" could have other ships that are the same design, why would they bother to A: set up the "engineer in the chair" B: set up the ship crashing/stranded C: have the ship land in the pretty much the exact same way it's found in Alien?

I just don't see WTF the point was if it actually was supposed to be a different planet and ship. So, now, there would be a different crashed alien ship on a different planet in the same system for some reason that just happens to have the same alien lifeforms on board that David accidentally created on the Prometheus?

I feel like my brain is melting.

 

[moviedoors]

The pacing of 2001 absolutely kills the movie for me. I actually like slow burn but when someone is literally taking minutes to walk from one side of the room to the other that's just indulgent.

2001 - a masterpiece of visuals
but as a MOVIE the camera lingers far to long on the visuals to keep me engaged. Each to their own, 2001 certainly has it's place in cinema history but I don't own it and have no intention of seeing the movie again.

Prometheus has its flaws but I was engaged the entire time and imho the questions were just as compelling (for me) and the visuals are just as stunning.

I bet I've seen 2001 about 30 times. I put that bluray on on a fairly regular rotation. The pacing is a beast all its own, but if you remove that pace, I think you kill one of the greatest movies ever made. It's a film that needs to be meditative, that needs to lull and reset your sense of time, like a Tarkovskiy film. The nature of its narrative demands it.

 

[spider-neil]

Hey smartass that is the theaterical version on rottentomatoes.

Look up reviews of the DC...here let me help
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kingdom+of+heaven+directors+cut+review

http://www.reelviews.net/movies/k/kingdom_heaven_directors.html

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/movies-we-love-kingdom-of-heaven-the-directors-cut.php

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/711/711469p1.html

I'll take your word for it that the DC fixes a lot a problem but I can't see myself watching any version of KoH again as I was so put off by the original movie.

 

[moviedoors]

Okay, can someone please explain something to me:

Spoiler

I'm reading about how this was apparently "not the same planet nor the same ship as Alien," and I'm just not buying it.

I can go out on a limb and say that it could be a different planet, simply because it was a different environment (sunlight, etc.) and a different name than LV-426.

HOWEVER: the friggin alien ship is exactly the same design as in Alien and while it's obvious that the "Engineers" could have other ships that are the same design, why would they bother to A: set up the "engineer in the chair" B: set up the ship crashing/stranded C: have the ship land in the pretty much the exact same way it's found in Alien?

I just don't see WTF the point was if it actually was supposed to be a different planet and ship. So, now, there would be a different crashed alien ship on a different planet in the same system for some reason that just happens to have the same alien lifeforms on board that David accidentally created on the Prometheus?

I feel like my brain is melting.

I see where your cognitive dissonance is coming from. I think they could've made a stronger film if they had made it more directly related to Alien, instead of this "we've got a trilogy in mind" BS. As is, it feels like a half measure. Go all out, or do something original. Leave the baiting movies to Marvel.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I've concocted my own (probably outlandish) theory regarding our creation in the film and how it relates to the Prometheus allegory. If I could do spoiler tags on my iPod I'd write it down.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I see where your cognitive dissonance is coming from. I think they could've made a stronger film if they had made it more directly related to Alien, instead of this "we've got a trilogy in mind" BS. As is, it feels like a half measure. Go all out, or do something original. Leave the baiting movies to Marvel.

That's exactly how I feel about it. IMO it ended up being this kinda-is-kinda-isn't movie that can't really stand on it's own but because it's trying to not be a direct prequel it can't really stand as a prequel, either.

Either do it or don't do it; don't just do it half-way.

 

[The Joker]

7/10

I enjoyed it but the pacing was a bit slow and I think the movie left more questions than answers.

 

[spider-neil]

I bet I've seen 2001 about 30 times. I put that bluray on on a fairly regular rotation. The pacing is a beast all its own, but if you remove that pace, I think you kill one of the greatest movies ever made. It's a film that needs to be meditative, that needs to lull and reset your sense of time, like a Tarkovskiy film. The nature of its narrative demands it.

I think if I saw it at the cinema I would have more patience for what I was watching. I think the themes are great as are the questions it poses and it is easily one of the best looking movies ever. They should build a museum and put 2001 in it as it is a work of art, but whilst I can 'appreciate' art I 'enjoy' comics (to use a crude analogy).

I've made an effort to only buy or keep movies I can see myself watching again (or else what's the point, right?) and 2001 is not one of those movies.
For all of Prometheus problems I am definately going to watch it again.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I've concocted my own (probably outlandish) theory regarding our creation in the film and how it relates to the Prometheus allegory. If I could do spoiler tags on my iPod I'd write it down.

Just type [*SPOILER] Content [/SPOILER*] without the *.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Okay, can someone please explain something to me:

Spoiler

I'm reading about how this was apparently "not the same planet nor the same ship as Alien," and I'm just not buying it.

I can go out on a limb and say that it could be a different planet, simply because it was a different environment (sunlight, etc.) and a different name than LV-426.

HOWEVER: the friggin alien ship is exactly the same design as in Alien and while it's obvious that the "Engineers" could have other ships that are the same design, why would they bother to A: set up the "engineer in the chair" B: set up the ship crashing/stranded C: have the ship land in the pretty much the exact same way it's found in Alien?

I just don't see WTF the point was if it actually was supposed to be a different planet and ship. So, now, there would be a different crashed alien ship on a different planet in the same system for some reason that just happens to have the same alien lifeforms on board that David accidentally created on the Prometheus?

I feel like my brain is melting.

Spoiler

They said that on that planet alone there were dozens of other ships like that - they even use one to get away. Maybe somewhere else on the planet there's another ship crashed the same way.