Prometheus - Part 7

[Balthus Dire]

I also thought that was far fetched. I understand Janek coming close to the conclusion, but he pretty much hits everything spot-on lol.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Ya

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Agreed. The dead engineers from dating were there 2000 years ago, so around the time of ancient Rome they realized we were advancing way too quickly and they saw us as failed, as Weyland saw Vickers. Now we are the gods (creating David and a perfect race) they don't like it, just like the Greek gods did not like that we had the possibility of overthrowing them with technology. They were coming to eradicate us but something went wrong with their bio weapons and a containment leak screwed it all up.

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The Engineers wanting to eradicate us all those years ago could simply be they just had enough of our s**t. Not necessarily scared at least not 2000 years ago. They gave us life and wanted to see what we would do with, how we would prosper etc. But what they saw they might not have liked so they decided to just wipe it clean and maybe start over.

It seems like a lot of us are finally putting the pieces together the way the movie wanted us to do.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Here's what I surmised the xenomorphs final look could've evolved, if I'm close or wrong then somebody please explain it better.

[blackout]The black liquid goop is essentially the lifeforce giving birth to those little earthworms and that's how the xenomorph first were born.

When David infects that one guy with the drink and later he and the Shaw had sex the early stages were being developed in the females womb.

And finally at the end the little baby xenomorph that looked more like an octopus after fighting the giant humanoid and impregnating it is what give the more familar Alien Xenomorph that we're all familiar with it's humnanoid form.[/blackout]

 

[Balthus Dire]

That's what one would naturally infer, but may not be the case because [blackout]the mural on the wall of the Engineer ship clearly shows a Xenomorph in different stages. Thus, the Xenomorph as we know it would've had to exist in some shape or form before the "birthing" scene at the end.

But, considering the "birthing" scene is made exclusive because of the unique alien baby in Shaw, one can only infer that the Xenomorph gestating from the Engineer at the end can't be the same one that we all know (and love hehe).[/blackout]

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Interesting stuff about worms' defense mechanism...

A worm will secrete the yellow liquid when it is stressed out or a predator tries to eat it.

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Very interesting stuff to learn that this space fluid evolved and mutated the worms to such a level such that they can metabolize their broken limbs at an accelerated rate and their "liquid" has become devastatingly corrosive and aggressive.

So, the black goo explains a couple of things, maybe coincidentally, as to where and how these xenomorphs adapted over time, taking the best traits of its host and sorta passing it on?..

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, the two minor things I'd change is, I'd have [blackout][it set on LV-426, and I would've had the xenomorph burst out of the dude's chest while he's sitting in the chair.[/blackout]

But then you couldn't make a sequel.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

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I don't believe the black liquid and the Xenomorphs were bio weapons. The theme of the movie was about faith and finding the answers to our beginnings. When the crew accepted the engineers as our gods it begged the question who created them?

In the room with the cannisters there was a shrine to the Xenomorphs as well a giant stone head resembling a human's. Well u don't make murals and statues to weapons. I believe that the engineers were looking for their creators too but they were already long gone and sought to recreate them.

They created humanity on earth but they were disappointed in us. We were an inferior version of them. We weren't their perfect being we were their vickers. They decided to replace us with the Xenomorphs but their perfect being, their David turned on them.
It's also possible we were created with the intention of being the base or host for Xenomorphs or that their were different faiths among the engineers and the one from the beginning belonged to a different sect than the ones that the crew encounters.

[BLACKOUT]I'm not sure amigo.

There was a lot else going on to those murals but I still haven't been able to figure it out.

I still don't know what that green glowing rock was suppose to be in there.

and coming from a real life engineer who works for a company that makes weapons, we take pride in showing off our work as much as we can, so it's not farfetched to think they would make a mural of their weapon(s).[/BLACKOUT]

 

[PWN3R]

It seems like a lot of us are finally putting the pieces together the way the movie wanted us to do.

Since you're blessed with the superior intellect and can decipher this film's text, answer me:

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Why does the black substance affect humans differently? If it is indeed the same substance as the beginning, why doesn't it affect humans in a similar manner to that of the Engineers, since both have the same DNA?

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Great points.

The idea of it being military didn't make sense to me based on the Jockeys running away and the Engineer at the beginning seemingly taking the liquid purposefully.

Really?

What was it about the Engineers running away that makes you side with it not being a weapon?

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

That's what one would naturally infer, but may not be the case because [blackout]the mural on the wall of the Engineer ship clearly shows a Xenomorph in different stages. Thus, the Xenomorph as we know it would've had to exist in some shape or form before the "birthing" scene at the end.

But, considering the "birthing" scene is made exclusive because of the unique alien baby in Shaw, one can only infer that the Xenomorph gestating from the Engineer at the end can't be the same one that we all know (and love hehe).[/blackout]

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Has anyone brought up the possibility that the Engineers created humans with the purpose of using them to breed the Xenomorph? I can't think of any other explanation for the mural

 

[RoughNTumble]

so the movie was great

and all this discussion about it makes it even more fun

think ridley will make a sequel to it?

 

[RoughNTumble]

also

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was that a queen that popped out of the engineer's chest at the end?

 

[SuperSoldier985]

This I can get behind. I wish he had been the main character. His motivations are fuzzy but the man is such a brilliant actor that you just go with it. He's not human, he's not evil, he's just curious and doing what's in his nature to do. I like him almost as much as I like Bishop.

He's pretty much as important to the story as Shaw was.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Also, as cringe inducing as the scene was, Noomi Rapace has a tight ass body on her. I was like, damn.

lol, you could tell, as soon as they told her she'd be half naked through most of the movie, she had to be hitting the gym 6 days a week for strength and conditioning it looks like it. She was already in good shape, but she some guns in this movie.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

The giant head in the room with the murals looked like religion(same as the hieroglyphics on Earth). The liquid being in the room makes me think they were looking for answers to their creation as well.

How did you get that?

What kind of religion worships liquid that turns worms into snake monsters?

I've seen the movie twice already and although I enjoy it a bit more each time and I learn something, I still love these riddles.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

He's pretty much as important to the story as Shaw was.

David's arc is arguably the best thing about the movie. One of the few plot lines that was executed extremely well in the movie.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

It's a remarkable looking and staged scene, but if you cut it, would it really have removed any key info from the movie? I don't think it would. It would have been more ambiguous, but what we find out later with the crew all but confirms it.

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I was iffy on the exact match of the DNA too. This looked like a pre-life Earth. So the Engineers come, one of them drinks the plot goo, and life on Earth begins. 4 billion years of evolution and millions upon millions of creatures later, and that DNA isn't just a little dissimilar? Not to mention the Engineers are 12 feet tall, hairless, and god knows what else is different about their physiology. I was scratching my head over how there was an exact match with human DNA.

Nope. That's the whole point. Mysterious goop = no evolution.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

It took me a 2nd viewing to realize this, but the score was totally out of place. Didn't fit the movie at all. I think the movie would be a lot better with a more foreboding, atmospheric score.

 

[RoughNTumble]

It took me a 2nd viewing to realize this, but the score was totally out of place. Didn't fit the movie at all. I think the movie would be a lot better with a more foreboding, atmospheric score.

yeah it felt like some kind of lighthearted adventure when david was exploring the cave thing

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Everyone is talking about Charlize and Elizabeth Shaw but I reckon Idris Elba was the real star. He was fantastic.

I don't know what it is---Idris can take any role, no matter how big or small, and someone make that character interesting and real.

He's got so much presence and charisma any time he's on screen. Not sure how to describe it. I don't know what kind of accent they gave him, but he sold it either way.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

If you watch the '79 Alien now, do you see anything you didn't notice before after watching this?

It brings some thoughts as to how/why the facehuggers had bones and skin similar to that of a human....maybe...kinda?

 

[Infinity9999x]

Since you're blessed with the superior intellect and can decipher this film's text, answer me:

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Why does the black substance affect humans differently? If it is indeed the same substance as the beginning, why doesn't it affect humans in a similar manner to that of the Engineers, since both have the same DNA?

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I was reading an article that had an interesting theory. They thought that the black goo actually responds to the mental status of the person at the time, and this is why it affected humans differently.

Here's the article I was talking about. It has some interesting theories about the movie. WARNING, MAJOR SPOILERS.

http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/

 

[PWN3R]

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I was reading an article that had an interesting theory. They thought that the black goo actually responds to the mental status of the person at the time, and this is why it affected humans differently.

Here's the article I was talking about. It has some interesting theories about the movie. WARNING, MAJOR SPOILERS.

http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/

Great read. I saw this earlier (love reddit), but I think this is reaching too far, and he/she extrapolates too much from ideas that are not even present in the film.

It's only fair to judge based on what's in the film. If that theory had any more evidence in the film, that would be a lot more convincing.

Still, fun read.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Great read. I saw this earlier (love reddit), but I think this is reaching too far, and he/she extrapolates too much from ideas that are not even present in the film.

It's only fair to judge based on what's in the film. If that theory had any more evidence in the film, that would be a lot more convincing.

Still, fun read.

I agree. I think some pf the ideas are possible. SPOILERS




Like the whole space Jesus idea. They did specifically mention 2000 years ago for the space jockeys so that seems possible.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

There is, or atleast was something to the Space Jesus idea

Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232