Prometheus - Part 7

[PWN3R]

Not my image, saw this somewhere else, but it's pretty crazy.

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Yeaaaah.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

That's some interesting stuff right there.

 

[Liam_H]

imho the

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C section

is possibly one of the greatest sequences commited to film

How'd your audience react to it?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

These girls who my friends dragged along were squirming the entire time. Whatever - I really dislike them. Them not liking it, made the film so much more enjoyable to me.

 

[terry78]

These girls who my friends dragged along were squirming the entire time. Whatever - I really dislike them. Them not liking it, made the film so much more enjoyable to me.

But were they hot?

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I was a bit like "This is ****** up" when that scene happened

One of my friends nearly crapped himself when:

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Millburn got deepthroat from the Hammerpede

 

[Liam_H]

Most of my crowd appeared to be fans of the franchise so they certainly knew something like this could happen. But I love it when general audiences lose their s**t buying their ticket and not knowing what they walked into. Fun to see how much they squirm or even to the extreme of walking out.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Saw the movie a second time today. Enjoyed it more, but my overall rating/reviews remains the same pretty much

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Nope, still doesn't fit for me in a dramatically satisfying way. I think it's just liquid plot device. Just pour and get through your next major set piece!

Oh c'mon, now that's just being ridiculous.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

But were they hot?

Jailbait. It was a guy going into his third year of undergrad with a 17 year old girl and another guy waiting for Med-school admittance and an 18 year old girl. Whiniest girls I've ever heard in my life.

 

[Team Andino]

I think I'll enjoy it much more seeing it a second time, now that I've seen some concepts discussed and now that I can analyze things better without paying close attention to new details. Not sure when I'll get to go though.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Alien worked just fine without red shirts, this could have too. A few of the set pieces would've worked better with people we know, who have a narrative function. I think you could've cut or merged many of these characters.

According to this logic, you could've lost Dallas, Lambert, and Brett easily in the first movie. But that's just not how things always work. You have to create characters to fit the story. Alien required a certain number of characters and so did Aliens---and they focused on those that mattered. Prometheus did the same.

 

[The Shape]

My theories fall in line this this comment I found at another forum. It's a lengthy explanation that is hard to understand at times but this is definitely where Scott drew from when creating this film.

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The thing that I agree with the most is that the Engineers maybe have been our creators, but they are not the true "Gods" They answer to another race and that Engineer in the first scene was TOLD to sacrifice himself to create our race as the ominous ship (of the true Gods) watched over him. Someone in the film asks the most important question -- If they created us, who created them?

Here's the deep explanation:

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To give some historical/mythological background that may shed some light, Ridley stated the SJ culture was based on Persian Myths. This would be Sumerian/Akkadian/Hindu. This is all taken from the Atra Hasis.

Creators - "G"ods- Annunaki - Dragon Humanoids (Naga, Dragon Kings,)

Helpers - "g"ods - Igigi - Engineers. (Android like living beings....BIOmechanical humanoid. Key features- Pale skin and large black eyes. Also known as watchers, Grigori, and Archons) (in many summerian texts they are actually referred to as "Pilots". Pretty much the Annunaki Air Force.)

When the Annunaki began terraforming the earth, they had the Igigi do the work for them. After a few thousand years the Igigi revolted and went on strike. The Annunaki then decided to create humans to do the work for them.

They sacrificed one of the rebel Igigi named Geshtu to use his blood and dna to make human beings, by mixing it with elements native to the earth.

(In the movie, this can be explained by the the different oval spaceship at the beginning representing the spaceship of the Annunaki)

(It can also be explained by the concept art that leaked from the official book this week)

(According to wikipedia it also says this about the Igigi: "Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Annunaki," in one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans." This is reflectled exactly in the concept art below!)






Even though the humans were created and did the work, 1/3 of the Igigi still werent satisfied and sought revenge for Geshtu, so they rebelled again against the Annunaki Lords and began breeding/mixing with the human females creating Nephelim. This is what sparked the Prime Lord Enlil to flood the earth. Some humans were saved by Enki, the Lord responsible for the sacrifice of Geshtu and the creation of humans. Enlil and the rest of the annunaki decide to return home and let the humans develop on their own. Enki and his family stay behind. The Igigi are forced to leave earth as well. The remaining rebel Igigi are imprisoned on a planet on the way back to the homeworld and it is said as punishment and as a mark they are altered into a demonic appearance, no longer retaining the Angelic appearance.

Enki and his crew are probably the ones leaving the maps for humans to find, along with the ones helping humans advance throughout time.

The sacrfice engineer is Geshtu

The lone engineer is most likely Marduk or a servant/worshipper of Marduk.

The xeno is Mushussu, a creature Marduk fashioned and used as his pet.

The "Engineers" we see are trying to destroy Earth are of the Igigi rebels who view earth as their own. They have always despised humans because the Annunaki saw us as more in their likeness than them. IT's possible that the Igigi have long since destroyed or taken over the annunaki and the homeworld, and Earth was like going to claim the prize or spoils.

They mustve used to the Xeno's to win this war and through its perfection it has began to destroy and infect the Igigi who manufacture and transport it, creating more Mushussu.

the xeno in Alien is most likely an older pilot igigi birthed Mushussu egg crossed with human or a future Annunaki birthed one which would explain the size difference in hosts.

It is mentioned in several lesser stories that Marduk created the Mushussu out of using the essence of the Gods' (Annunaki) he killed as a symbol of his conquering and being able to control them... ie the mural.

 

[Mr.Webs]

Not my image, saw this somewhere else, but it's pretty crazy.

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Yeaaaah.

I've been able to formulate some sort of theory with everything else in this film....but this mural makes me scratch my head.

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What came first, the xenomorph or the Engineer? We are told these are genetically engineered weapons created by these Space Jockeys, but this mural makes it seem as if the xenomorph as been around long before. Is it possible that such a creature existed, and when the Engineers discovered the species they tried to weaponize it, hence the black liquid? Or possibly is the mural just a 'blueprint' of sorts, the Engineers proud of what they have accomplished?

 

[TheVileOne]

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I used to think it was the same ship but yeah there are too many contradictions not sure how to rectify.

I mean it does look like it lands the same way. Those same openings on the hell of the ship from the original Alien are there, but there is no Space Jockey in the piloting/navigator device with a hole in it.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

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I didn't mind the 'liquid DNA', but they never really debated/talked about it on screen. They just never really explained anything or came to any onscreen conclusions or theories. I guess I was hoping for more of an explanation or something into the 'Alien DNA' and its progression. I guess I have to assume the 'penis aliens' were early face huggers;which brings me to another issue. The face hugger that grew to mammoth like proportions it just didn't sit well with me for some reason.
I also wasn't a big fan of the ending sequence I know this wasn't the same planet as Alien, but man it would of been better if ending sequence was of the 'engineer on his chair and having his chest burst out with an xenomorph.
I did like the 'Engineers' I thought they were well done and kind of wished more interaction with them or back round. Heck, maybe they will make a sequel to this and explain more??
Overall it was an okay movie, visually it was good, but had some flaws story wise. Didn't know if it wanted to be a stand alone movie or tie-in with Alien.

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I think the penis things were just mutated larvae, just as Farfield was mutated. It goes further to suggest that the black fluid mutates and turns organic life into aggressive and powerful rage creatures that are "born to kill". It wasn't how the fluid was meant to be used.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Interesting post Shape, some very interesting theories you have there.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Okay. I always find this a strange device. If they destroy all life, then what is there to rule?

This would kinda be shocking when you think back to the point where they mention how they found those paintings/pictograms during civilizations, thousands of years apart, that were completely wiped out under unknown circumstances.

So maybe those inscriptions were warning signs that their time was over and that the Engineers were coming/had come back to "rebuild".

 

[Balthus Dire]

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I used to think it was the same ship but yeah there are too many contradictions not sure how to rectify.

I mean it does look like it lands the same way. Those same openings on the hell of the ship from the original Alien are there, but there is no Space Jockey in the piloting/navigator device with a hole in it.

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But think of it this way: had they not shown the alien hatching from the Space Jockey and just left it with the Jockey being impregnated by the giant face-hugger, would you assume it was the same ship?

Because I sure would. I would've just figured the Jockey woke up, crawled back to his ship, and died in the chair, thus leading into Alien.

The whole thing makes me wonder if it was actually intentionally a different ship/planet or if they just flubbed, but I will admit that's a pretty big thing to flub.

The whole situation just has me scratching my head. I feel like I need to watch this movie again as though I'd never seen or heard of Alien.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Just got back from seeing this. I liked it but I didn't love it. It leaves you with a lot of questions,but the entire cast does a good job, I will say that. I guess I will have to read you guys theory's to fill in the blanks lol. The IGN.com movie review pretty much ruined the ending for me so the ending bit didn't suprise me. But at this point it's not a spoiler anymore. This is basically a prequel to Alien ( literally). So I assume this means Alien reboot is ago?!

 

[Spider-Who?]

It's a remarkable looking and staged scene, but if you cut it, would it really have removed any key info from the movie? I don't think it would. It would have been more ambiguous, but what we find out later with the crew all but confirms it.

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I was iffy on the exact match of the DNA too. This looked like a pre-life Earth. So the Engineers come, one of them drinks the plot goo, and life on Earth begins. 4 billion years of evolution and millions upon millions of creatures later, and that DNA isn't just a little dissimilar? Not to mention the Engineers are 12 feet tall, hairless, and god knows what else is different about their physiology. I was scratching my head over how there was an exact match with human DNA.

It doesn't take very much variation in DNA to create different organisms. You'd be surprised to see how similar our DNA is to wildly different life. That being said, it could be argued that the differences in our DNA would be mathematically insignificant, but biologically different enough to create the different species.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

The reaction to this movie must've been how people first reacted to 2001.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

yeah he is 75. he looks and acts youn but he could hit the brickwall eventually.

That's why we have James Cameron

 

[Kane52630]

The reaction to this movie must've been how people first reacted to 2001.

Probably, but then again I never cared for 2001.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Your spoiler is another big "eh" I have with the script.
[BLACKOUT]Janek just suddenly knows the Engineers' grand purpose on the moon, out of nowhere. And we're suppose to take this nugget of information like that? Really? The location being a military base makes sense, but the way they go about it feels like it's missing a scene. Why would the invitation lead to a military base? Why not just kill us?

AND YES...I realize that the base was overrun. It's just the way that the information is laid out that I find rather ... disappointing?[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I do like your theory about the exoskeletons. They are visually arresting, and their appearance has to come into play eventually if the sequel happens. [/BLACKOUT]

I don't think it came out of nowhere.

Rewatching the movie, Janek, for a large part of the movie, was observing everything that was going on and he was able to adequately SPECULATE on what HE THINKS was going on based on the scenes leading up to that point. Maybe you don't think he earned the right to come to that conclusion, but at least it shows us that Janek is intelligent enough to try and make enough sense out of the situation.