Prometheus - Part 9

[Doctor Jones]

Where are people getting "Paradise" as if it will be the sequel title? Is this confirmed?

 

[Gold Samurai]

from what Ive seen/heard this is getting bad WOM. I havent met anyone, nerd or GA, in my groups of friends who liked this that much

I overheard some geek squad guys at Best buy talking

"....it's set in the Alien universe"

So maybe they went to see it.

 

[rayc1971]

Where are people getting "Paradise" as if it will be the sequel title? Is this confirmed?

i dont know if it will make enough for a sequel

 

[pixiesvision]

i dont know if it will make enough for a sequel

At this point, it seems more and more unlikely.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Even if it doesn't make back all of its money at the box office, they'll be in the green after TV rights and what I'm sure to be a highly improved directors cut blu ray..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's a Rated-R flick. Of course the drop will appear horrendous. It's June after all. Yet, it's not from bad WOM or a lukewarm reaction. Had that been the case then Prometheus would have underpreformed. It didn't.

The rating does not explain the drop off. Neither does the month. If it had made 100 million its opening week and then dropped 60%, maybe. But that isn't what happened.

And yet, the sequel is still happening.

http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/63932-sequel-planned-for-snow-white-and-the-huntsman

I suggest you go back and read up on Tron Legacy and The Golden Compass sequels. In the Golden Compass case they even wrote the script. The Tron guys are trying to use the television show to get the sequel off the ground. When there is sequel talk even before the film is released, it is not uncommon to talk it up even if the film isn't doing the job.

With it's budget at 130 million, and still projected to hit 300 million before the year is out, I think it's safe to say that 20th Century Fox has indeed made a profit off of Prometheus.

It's not a huge profit, but it's not underwhelming nor disappointing.

You are just going to ignore marketing cost I see.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The rating does not explain the drop off. Neither does the month. If it had made 100 million its opening week and then dropped 60%, maybe. But that isn't what happened.

If WOM had that much influence, then Revenge of the Fallen would have made 600 million less and Dark of the Moon would have never materialized.

Keep in mind, Madagascar 3 has not blown Prometheus out of water domestically.

I suggest you go back and read up on Tron Legacy and The Golden Compass sequels. In the Golden Compass case they even wrote the script. The Tron guys are trying to use the television show to get the sequel off the ground. When there is sequel talk even before the film is released, it is not uncommon to talk it up even if the film isn't doing the job.

Tron did not bomb nor did it underperform. It had a solid and respectable opening weekend. The Golden Compass sequels were placed on the shelve due on part with the controversies. It was lambasted. Tron, however, has a sequel coming. Disney has long confirmed it.

http://www.iamrogue.com/news/movie-...d-update-tron-sequel-and-animated-series.html

You are just going to ignore marketing cost I see.

If the budget was around 130 million, then to account for the marketing cost would require for one to basically add 100 million to that total. WB used that amount for Green Lantern but I severely doubt that 20th Century Fox poured that much into the marketing. For the sake of argument, let's say 20th Century Fox did. That would push Prometheus' grand total to 230 million.

Prometheus is currently on 231.5 million WW. By the end of this weekend, the film should be near 245-250 million WW. Meaning that Prometheus would have made a profit after all. By the end of it's run, Prometheus could very well rack up 275-285 million at the Box Office. 300 million is extremely likely once the DVD and Blu-Ray sale numbers are in.

Once again, Prometheus will have made a decent profit, but nothing spectacular.

 

[MadVillainy]

If WOM had that much influence, then Revenge of the Fallen would have made 600 million less and Dark of the Moon would have never materialized.

Keep in mind, Madagascar 3 has not blown Prometheus out of water domestically.



Tron did not bomb nor did it underperform. It had a solid and respectable opening weekend. The Golden Compass sequels were placed on the shelve due on part with the controversies. It was lambasted. Tron, however, has a sequel coming. Disney has long confirmed it.

http://www.iamrogue.com/news/movie-...d-update-tron-sequel-and-animated-series.html



If the budget was around 130 million, then to account for the marketing cost would require for one to basically add 100 million to that total. WB used that amount for Green Lantern but I severely doubt that 20th Century Fox poured that much into the marketing. For the sake of argument, let's say 20th Century Fox did. That would push Prometheus' grand total to 230 million.

Prometheus is currently on 231.5 million WW. By the end of this weekend, the film should be near 245-250 million WW. Meaning that Prometheus would have made a profit after all. By the end of it's run, Prometheus could very well rack up 275 million at the Box Office. 300 million is extremely likely once the DVD and Blu-Ray sale numbers are in.

Once again, Prometheus will have made a decent profit, but nothing spectacular.

IM not so sure about them spending $100 mill on marketing. As you said GL had a $100 mill budget on marketing and I saw that everywhere, every city, every billboard, etc. Prometheus was well advertised but not too the extent of GL at least from what I saw

 

[DoomsdayApex]

i dont know if it will make enough for a sequel

At this point, it seems more and more unlikely.

That ship has long sailed when Prometheus crossed the 200m barrier. A sequel is very likely.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

IM not so sure about them spending $100 mill on marketing. As you said GL had a $100 mill budget on marketing and I saw that everywhere, every city, every billboard, etc. Prometheus was well advertised but not too the extent of GL at least from what I saw

Exactly. My guess is 20th Century Fox spent about 50-60 million on the marketing (most of which was used on TV Spots). I, myself, never saw a Prometheus billboard or ad around Miami once.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Where are people getting "Paradise" as if it will be the sequel title? Is this confirmed?

No, but in a recent interview Scott supposedly wanted the film to be called Paradise instead of Prometheus. He's strongly considering naming the next installment Paradise as a result.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If WOM had that much influence, then Revenge of the Fallen would have made 600 million less and Dark of the Moon would have never materialized.

Keep in mind, Madagascar 3 has not blown Prometheus out of water domestically.

Some films people are going to see no matter what. Transformers falls into that category. This movie was being talked about as a "classic" before it even came out.

And Madagascar is already up 40 million on it and is continuing to do much better business.

Tron did not bomb nor did it underperform. It had a solid and respectable opening weekend. The Golden Compass sequels were placed on the shelve due on part with the controversies. It was lambasted. Tron, however, has a sequel coming. Disney has long confirmed it.

http://www.iamrogue.com/news/movie-...d-update-tron-sequel-and-animated-series.html

They are talking 2014 release dates for a sequel to a film that came out in 2010. We will see if it gets made.

If The Golden Compass had been a smash hit, the sequels would have been made. But I am pretty sure it lost money so it disappeared.

If the budget was around 130 million, then to account for the marketing cost would require for one to basically add 100 million to that total. WB used that amount for Green Lantern but I severely doubt that 20th Century Fox poured that much into the marketing. For the sake of argument, let's say 20th Century Fox did. That would push Prometheus' grand total to 230 million.

Prometheus is currently on 231.5 million WW. By the end of this weekend, the film should be near 245-250 million WW. Meaning that Prometheus would have made a profit after all. By the end of it's run, Prometheus could very well rack up 275-285 million at the Box Office. 300 million is extremely likely once the DVD and Blu-Ray sale numbers are in.

Once again, Prometheus will have made a decent profit, but nothing spectacular.

What? You do realize the studio get about 55% of the actual ticket sales right? They don't get all that money, so the film grossing the same amount that you spent on the film is not good. In fact, it is a very bad thing.

Cut that advertising budget in half and you still get something like $180 million. You need to double that money just to cover cost. How in the world is $300 million going to cover that?

 

[Mandalore464]

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[dark_b]

yes you forgot that the theater also gets money. noone works for free. they need to pay people who work there and so on. and outside US they get even less money. which makes sense of course.

and with all due respect. talking about Golden compass sequel is wrong on every human level possible. the studio was almost destroyed because of that movie.

 

[dark_b]

Needless to say, if Scott wants to see a sequel happen, it will. Hollywood will improve the marketing on the sequel and that's it.

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in hollywood a studio will make your project if your previous movies made a profit. Ridley Scott in the last 10 years?
http://boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?view=Director&id=ridleyscott.htm

prometheus was made because Scott agreed on an insane big compromise. his first script was a 100% alien prequel that had an insane big budget. Fox said no

 

[Mandalore464]

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[dark_b]

Or do you want to mention Blade Runner, a film that bombed at the BO and is still getting a sequel? Would Hollywood have greenlighted it if a John Doe had come to them with the idea? Don't think so.

Box-office is not the be all end all in the life of a film.
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ha ha he he ho ho.
the movie is 30 years old and hollywood is only making movies with a name. prequels,reboots,sequels,adaptations from books,.........a blade runner sequel,prequel or reboot would happen with or without Scott.

yes of course BO is not the be all end . thats why Star Trek will get a sequel in 2013. it didnt make a big profit. but the public was happy with the movie. the overall reaction was fantastic. this is no happening with Prometheus.

X-men first class anyone? didnt make enough money. but the public liked the movie.

 

[Mandalore464]

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[DACrowe]

yes your forgot that the theater also gets money. noone works for free. they need to pay people who work there and so on. and outside US they get even less money. which makes sense of course.

and with all due respect. talking about Golden compass sequel is wrong on every human level possible. the studio was almost destroyed because of that movie.

That studio was destroyed because of TGC flopping. It's just another name for Warner Bros. these days.

 

[dark_b]

That's funny.

Hollywood wouldn't greenlight a sequel to Prometheus because it didn't make 3 times its budget at the Box Office only, but it still greenlights one for Blade Runner because it bombed 30 years ago?

Come on...

Let's just wait for Prometheus final numbers (BO + DVD / Blu Ray sales + merchandise) before we bury its sequel, shall we?

first yeah Blade Runner is a big name and a known scifi movie. hollywood thinks that it will be easier to make money if they make a blade runner sequel or prequel. thats what hollywood thinks. its not what i think. plus the movie is now liked after 20.000 different director cuts.

second yes of course i dont know if Prometehus will get a sequel or not. maybe it will get a sequel. but the WOM is not good.

 

[DACrowe]

Anyways, all those comparing Prometheus to huge bombs like TGC or Green Lantern are being ridiculous. I'd even say comparisons to Tron Legacy don't work as Disney sank in over $200 million into that thing and probably well over $250 million when all is said and done. Prometheus is rated R and has less of a budget than Snow White (which also had a 60 percent drop it second weekend, has lukewarm WOM and is definitely getting a sequel because Universal, similar to Fox, is starved for new franchises).

I think honestly, Scott should focus on making the next film the end of his vision and not try and stretch it out for a trilogy because they audience may not show up. But Prometheus will turn a profit theatrically and will cross $300 million WW. For an R-rated sci-fi film with a $125 (or is it a $135?) million budget, that's pretty solid. If the DVDs sell well there will be a sequel. Scott should just focus on making the next one better with a tighter script and not plan to do more than one more, in my opinion.

 

[Mandalore464]

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[DarthSkywalker]

Anyways, all those comparing Prometheus to huge bombs like TGC or Green Lantern are being ridiculous. I'd even say comparisons to Tron Legacy don't work as Disney sank in over $200 million into that thing and probably well over $250 million when all is said and done. Prometheus is rated R and has less of a budget than Snow White (which also had a 60 percent drop it second weekend, has lukewarm WOM and is definitely getting a sequel because Universal, similar to Fox, is starved for new franchises).

I think honestly, Scott should focus on making the next film the end of his vision and not try and stretch it out for a trilogy because they audience may not show up. But Prometheus will turn a profit theatrically and will cross $300 million WW. For an R-rated sci-fi film with a $125 (or is it a $135?) million budget, that's pretty solid. If the DVDs sell well there will be a sequel. Scott should just focus on making the next one better with a tighter script and not plan to do more than one more, in my opinion.

I wasn't using those films do to their size. I was using them simply because they basically had sequels green-lit right out the door, and one got shelved a year later and the other is still being talked about two years later, but still hasn't been made.

Also not sure it is fair to say The Golden Compass destroyed New Line. They were begging those films to be their next LOTR, to save the company. Their attempts to manipulate the creative in that direction didn't help, along with the subject matter itself.

Even if Prometheus crosses $300 million at the box office, I don't think it will make profit on its theatrical run. The movie had a good sized marketing campaign.

The rest I agree with.

 

[chamber-music]

I think Ridley and Fox should of said Prometheus was a spin off of the Alien franchise instead of being coy about it.

If Prometheus does get a sequel Lindelof won't be coming back which will make some happy.

 

[dark_b]

prometheus training

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFYmv6t_Xyg