Some of them are intentionally unanswerable (much like why the SJ wanted to kill us in Prometheus), some are open to interpretation and some, like Prometheus, are simply logic fails (the opening where the BR don't know that guy's a replicant and why that one is a stripper if she's trying to hide on Earth with days to live or how the BR think Sean Young has gone AWOL when she was going on business as usual until literally 5-10 minutes before that scene). BR is a great movie, but it had problems in the script that were never fully ironed out. That's why there are like five cuts of that movie.
Why is that one replicant a stripper if she knows she only has weeks, if not days, to live and knows that her face is on a bulletin for Blade Runners? Why "hide" in such a literally exposed place?
Rebellions. We're told that in the movie. That's why Replicants are banned from Earth.
How did they know Deckard dreams of unicorns? And if he's a replicant how can he perform those tests on replicants without dysfunctioning himself? And if he's not a replicant why do his eyes glow red? If he is one, why do they spare Sean Young and program him to be rebellious and antagonistic to his boss?
Implanted dreams and memories. Also you could say his rebellious nature is implanted too, to make him seem even more human.
If Sean Young's replicant has gone AWOL and needs to be taken out, why didn't her company or the cops check her home apartment where she was until five seconds ago when Deckard called her to come to the strip-club/bar?
Why would they want Decakrd to be more human if he was created solely to hunt replicants? Who cares if he's human and what if they made his personality the obedient brown-noser as opposed to the defiant rebel who may....I don't know, decide not to kill a replicant and take her on as a lover and runaway with her? And if they're both replicants, why let them go if they view Deckard as just a tool and not a person or colleague? And how could he perform those tests as a replicant?
Why would Tyrell forbid the BR to kill her and then order them to do so five minutes later other than it created conflict for Deckard? And how did they know she went AWOL if she was staying at home five seconds earlier?
You can dissect this movie to bits. It's why people didn't like it when it was first released.
Some of them are intentionally unanswerable (much like why the SJ wanted to kill us in Prometheus), some are open to interpretation and some, like Prometheus, are simply logic fails (the opening where the BR don't know that guy's a replicant and why that one is a stripper if she's trying to hide on Earth with days to live or how the BR think Sean Young has gone AWOL when she was going on business as usual until literally 5-10 minutes before that scene). BR is a great movie, but it had problems in the script that were never fully ironed out. That's why there are like five cuts of that movie.
Actually just tossed it in the system. They were looking for them. Just not sure how much info they had on them when Holden went after them.
Zhora, like Pris and Leon, were depending on Batty to solve their problem. She could be working at the club to provide money for the group in their search.
Not sure what you mean about Rachael.
And there are many cuts of the film because of the interference of the studio. Even the director's cut had the problem of not giving Scott enough time to do what he wanted. Why the Final Cut exist.
Why would they want Decakrd to be more human if he was created solely to hunt replicants? Who cares if he's human and what if they made his personality the obedient brown-noser as opposed to the defiant rebel who may....I don't know, decide not to kill a replicant and take her on as a lover and runaway with her? And if they're both replicants, why let them go if they view Deckard as just a tool and not a person or colleague? And how could he perform those tests as a replicant?
First you have to believe that Deckard is a replicant. Personally don't. However, the unicorn frees Deckard either way.
But say he is. It was clear Tyrell wanted to see how human his Nexus-6 models were. Just look at Rachael. And they always have the fail safe of their 4 year life span. It is why it is built into them. The retirement of the Nexus-6 which believe they are human doesn't seem to go down until they are self-aware.
As to how he is able to give the test. The Voight-Kampff test. You need the machine to be hooked up and studying you for it to give you the information you need. And then you need someone else to read it. They make that pretty clear.
Why would Tyrell forbid the BR to kill her and then order them to do so five minutes later other than it created conflict for Deckard? And how did they know she went AWOL if she was staying at home five seconds earlier?
I didn't think it was as terrible as people are making it out to be.
I give it a 7 out of 10
The film left a lot of questions unanswered a lot more to be desired as well
below are spoilers..
like why??...
did the Engineer kill everyone when he was woken up? I was curious to know what he was thinking what his purpose was but instead he just goes ape sh t and kills everyone?? was a cool scene but why did he do that??
is it cause he is a soldier following out orders? Was he mad at the humans they created a synthetic version of themselves in David?
and..
i feel the final battle with the Engineer coming for the scientist desired more. It was too quick why did he want to kill her?? how did he know where she was?? it needed more suspense I wanted to see more of him, make it more scary the Engineer coming for her was to abrupt and quick.
the movie wasn't terrible the Lady from the Original Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was really good in Prometheus I thought.
Charlez Theron is an awful actress, I didn't buy her as being tough at all.
The other actors weren't bad, except for the Pilot of the ship, pretty bad acting.
the characters did stupid stuff that went against there own characterizations. like..
wanting to pet the Squid Snake alien. And why the heck were those running lose on the ship?? And why did the baby turn into a squid like Monster? why not a humanoid creature like the Alien? or something similar instead its a boring squid idea, still cool but could have been more.
On the plus side the movie was pretty graphic and disturbing which was great.
this movie is not good as a stand alone film.
the opening sequence made no sense.
there are too many questions unanswered.
I would see a sequel I think the Engineers are interesting characters. Or at least could be.
the writers on films these days are pretty God Awful. Seems to be the Norm in hollywood now. Good directors with lackluster writers.
You've been busy making sure that's the case for a long time now. Which is fine and all but you've been persistent on keeping that conversation going and effectively drowning out any post that's about ideas or theories.
One need only look back at the pages of this thread and the one before it and so on.
First you have to believe that Deckard is a replicant. Personally don't. However, the unicorn frees Deckard either way.
But say he is. It was clear Tyrell wanted to see how human his Nexus-6 models were. Just look at Rachael. And they always have the fail safe of their 4 year life span. It is why it is built into them. The retirement of the Nexus-6 which believe they are human doesn't seem to go down until they are self-aware.
As to how he is able to give the test. The Voight-Kampff test. You need the machine to be hooked up and studying you for it to give you the information you need. And then you need someone else to read it. They make that pretty clear.
You're purely speculating as to what motives they'd have to give Deckard such a human, disobedient attitude. We have no idea what Tyrell would want or Nexus-6s. That's just as much speculation as people who guess as to whether Weyland told David to infect Holloway.
And if Deckard is human, as you believe (and so do I, actually) how did they know about the unicorn dreams?
Also, while the machine let the BRs record replicants failing the test, we as the audience see their eyes dialate and their brains/bodies malfunction at the question. Deckard sees the same questions and doesn't have that kind of a reaction.
She started acting strange and Tyrell knew she had finally started to truly realizing who she is. That is why he began avoiding her.
BR is much better, but my point is there are holes in the plot that audiences have to fill in. Some are intentional and some or not. But the same kind of holes in Prometheus are in BR. That is my point.
Why did David poison Holloway? I think he chose Holloway out of the others because David thinks that is a human reaction. Remember the viral video? David can't actually feel emotions, but he understands them. He understands that a human reaction to Holloway's teasing and mocking is to retaliate. He retaliates by choosing Holloway to test the black goo.
Actually from scene placement we can deduce that Weyland instructed him. David specifically asks him, "Are you sure?". Vickers then approaches David about the conversation, at which point David lies to her. After Vickers threatens him, David then engages in discussion with Holloway and poisons him.
I think he was just being coy. Again, Weyland instructed him it to someone on the ship. Just so happens to be, Holloway had the most friction with David. So essentially he became the appropriate guinea pig. Made it even easier when he said he'd do anything.
see how many users wrotte different answers? and this part of the story in no noooo way needed to be vague. and the movie is like that from start to end.so lets say i would writte a long post about my theory. where can i draw the line. i can not writte a theory what the movie is about when its vague every 5 minutes.
and i can already see what is happening and what will happen. in 1 year someoone will writte '' remember dark_b when you complained that nothing made sense . and now you like it more? '' . and of course he will talk about the bluray extended cut. its happening the same like with Blade Runner and sometiems KoH.
''people didnt like BR when it came out. but today they do. they changed their minds''
yes lets ignore the directors cut and final cut. yes lets ignore the fact that more people today like the new cuts from BR .
It did need to be vague, because David is enigmatic. It makes it ambiguous whether he feels personal hostility towards Holloway. How can a robot that doesn't feel emotions feel angry and want to retaliate?
Holloway was clearly an ******* towards David. I think David, like the Replicant's, has learnt to feel. In his conversation with Holloway when Holloway answers his question "why did you create me?" with "because we can" David is visibly angry there, then quickly hides that with a fake smile.
I didn't David as angry or all that offended by Holloway at all. David needed a test subject. Holloway along with Weyland and Shaw were the three people on the ship willing to give up everything to get answers even if it cost them their lives.
Weyland put David up to infecting someone but it was also Davids own curiousity that wanted to see what would happen.
David asking "how far are you willing to go?" was his indirect way of asking are you willing to give up your life to find out answers?
You can say David acted underhanded because if he probably said try this infected goo Holloway would of said hell no. I think David believed that in the end Holloway would understand as he wanted this mission to find answers as much as Weyland and Shaw did.
Holloway accepting his death when he was later on infected showed again that he was willing to sacrifice himself for the mission.
^Stuff like that is why David is the best character, although Shaw runs him close, its David who is the most interesting character in the movie because we never know what is going on with him, it makes us wonder about him.
Bit of a strange analogy but he reminded me a bit of V from V From For Vendetta, we never know what is going on with him or his main purpose but that wonder interests us greatly.
The thing with this film also, is that i think it's a metaphor for ultimate questions in science.
The question of "what is our purpose?" or "why were we created?" They don't have answers. You'll never be able to definitively answer those questions. You ask those questions, and they raise more questions.
I think people going into this film expecting answers to those questions had the wrong expectations.
But they would have to be laughably naive to expect 'answers' to those questions. The world's leading scientists and philosophers don't know the answers to these questions- why would Ridley Scott? The movie could only ever be an exploration of those themes. Maybe its exploration was too superficial, but I don't have any sympathy for people who feel uncomfortable with the lack of spoon-fed 'answers'.
Well, to be fair it's a bit of both. I think, during its theatrical running time, Prometheus addresses too much 'theme' with too little of the supporting cinematic crafts of characterization and story telling. For all that, it remains intriguing, and I really look forward to seeing the director's cut- and the sequel.
The climax continues to bug me the more I think about it. We get all this lead up to the lone surviving Engineer. He goes berzerker on the crew for a minute and then the next we see of him he's swallowed up by the enormous face hugger.
For something so sophisticated, the movie made him so .... I dunno, disposable. From humanity's creator to a plot device for the first generation Xeno. That's not to say that couldn't have been somewhat expected as far as the Xeno's origins. Still just very rushed nonetheless.
^I would have liked a little dialogue from the Engineer, but at the same time, the guy had been asleep for 2000 years, and he had a mission, he wanted to get it done asap, its understandable he was in a bit of a rush.
Just a bit of dialogue between him and David before he went ape**** wouldnt have gone amiss though.
If David was going to mess with anyone on the ship because he didn't like them it would of been Vickers. She treats David far worst than Holloway does.
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when tyler perry is criticizes this film for disappointment you know somethings wrong
