Pyro vs Iceman: Why Pyro should have won

[Kanon]

Um, Pyro can manipulate fire in any way he desires, but it's just normal fire. Iceman could lower the temperature to absolute zero... I think

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Ya'll know not to start a versus thread with Profezzor X's favorite character!

LOL

LMAO......... (Ya damn right!!! )

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Um, Pyro can manipulate fire in any way he desires, but it's just normal fire. Iceman could lower the temperature to absolute zero... I think

Not to get too escalated with what comic book Iceman is capable of (cause I could go on like this all day), but just like fire needs fuel to burn, water needs cold energy to freeze. The big difference between Iceman and Pyro, is that Pyro needs an artificial source to keep his fire burning, while Iceman has a natural source (his mutant ability) to create his coldness.

Although, it does make me wonder about the nature of Pyro's flames, and how they're fueled. Naturally, flames need a specific amount of fuel to burn, depending on the size of the flames. But in Pyro's case, such as the police standoff at Iceman's house, he only used his lighter to create such a large volume of flame. If any knowledgeable Pyro fan out there is willing to explain how this is possible, I'm all ears.

 

[Nathan]

I was under the impression that he simply feeds the flames with the oxygen in the air.

 

[chicagodave]

callisto mentioned that magneto and pyro where above a class 3, so does this mean iceman is also above a 3. and just beat him out of more will power.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I was under the impression that he simply feeds the flames with the oxygen in the air.

No, I don't think so. Oxygen and a flamable material (wood, gasoline, oil)maintains a fire fire. Just like moisture or water fuels cold energy. Both need fuel to maintain their respective properties.

 

[clintrussell]

I think Iceman was stronger then Pyro. Seeing how Pyro left the school while Bobby stayed and learned how to be more in control.

"You shouldnt have stayed at that school."

"You should have never left." *goes full ice*

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I think Iceman was stronger then Pyro. Seeing how Pyro left the school while Bobby stayed and learned how to be more in control.

"You shouldnt have stayed at that school."

"You should have never left." *goes full ice*

I think that line served as a dual purpose, meaning that Pyro shouldn't have left them, because he was a team member, a friend to them all. On the flip side, it also meant the same thing how it was expressed. Meaning that if he stayed in school, he would have been more of a challenge to Iceman.

 

[tonytr1687]

I thought the fight was too short. And we didnt even see what happened to Pyro after that. But yeah Pyro should have won. Ice cant really extinguish fire.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I thought the fight was too short. And we didnt even see what happened to Pyro after that. But yeah Pyro should have won. Ice cant really extinguish fire.

Uh, how do you think Pyro's flames went out?...... By Storm?.... No, when Iceman damn-near froze off Pyro's forearms.

But what would have been more effective and visually stunning to see, would be for Iceman to create some giant basketball-sized ice fists, and knock Pyro and the other brotherhood "pawns" out.

 

[javon]

Not to get too escalated with what comic book Iceman is capable of (cause I could go on like this all day), but just like fire needs fuel to burn, water needs cold energy to freeze. The big difference between Iceman and Pyro, is that Pyro needs an artificial source to keep his fire burning, while Iceman has a natural source (his mutant ability) to create his coldness.

Although, it does make me wonder about the nature of Pyro's flames, and how they're fueled. Naturally, flames need a specific amount of fuel to burn, depending on the size of the flames. But in Pyro's case, such as the police standoff at Iceman's house, he only used his lighter to create such a large volume of flame. If any knowledgeable Pyro fan out there is willing to explain how this is possible, I'm all ears.

Well this is true. Iceman has the better advantage because he can create ice. While Pyro has to manipulate it. Now whats to say (and i'm not saying who would win because i don't know) iceman froze all that fire?

 

[javon]

I think Iceman was stronger then Pyro. Seeing how Pyro left the school while Bobby stayed and learned how to be more in control.

"You shouldnt have stayed at that school."

"You should have never left." *goes full ice*

Yeah! I just got it! Mabe Bobby said "You shouldn't have left" becuase while there (and pyro was gone), Bobby must have learned to do that therefore Pyro had no idea!

 

[fallenAngel]

Pyro lost because throughout the movie we saw that he was unjustly arrogant. What with talking about killing the proffesor and all. If I was Magneto I would have laughed in his face and said "you would never have had the chance"

Pyro underestimated Bobby. Which I can't blame him for, Bobby hasn't done much. But he did freeze pyro's fire ball in the first film.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

He should have won because fire melts ice, as the OP state.

 

[Drago]

I liked how Pyro was alienated in X2 and thought he found a good home with Magneto, BECAUSE in X3 he was again alienated- first, where they leave Mystique, it shows his reaction and he doesn't feel right leaving her, second, with the Xavier comment and Mags rebuttle. He still didn't fully belong, and it was cool seeing Iceman confirm Pyro's being in the wrong place (as much as I love Aaron Stanford) by defeating him.

Pyro is being groomed to be a super-violent, super-angry villian. I hope they follow through with it because Aaron Stanford has more than enough talent to have a McKellan-esque presence down the road.

 

[Dr.Doom]

Cause during the fight there was fire all over the place. He can Manipulate flame. Every one of those tiny fires should have risen and shot at Iceman.


Oh plus Fire Melts Ice....I've never seen Ice Repel Fire before. But that's not my Argument.

I think Pyro should have used all of the fire that was around him.

i think it was to show how advanced he had gotten by staying with xavier, hence his line about staying at school.

 

[Antrax255]

Pyro's power is the psionic ability to manipulate flame by shaping it as he desires, increasing or decreasing its heat, intensity, and size.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Cause during the fight there was fire all over the place. He can Manipulate flame. Every one of those tiny fires should have risen and shot at Iceman.


Oh plus Fire Melts Ice....I've never seen Ice Repel Fire before. But that's not my Argument.

I think Pyro should have used all of the fire that was around him.

Actually, I don't think at that point in time Pyro had learned to control his powers enough to do that. Remember, John would be in his late teens, early 20's. If this were a 27 or 30 year old Pyro with more life experience and time to hone his control over his power I'd agree with you. But being just a kid, he didn't know how to do this because as Iceman he should have never left the school. Xavier or any of the -Men could have taught him how to better optimize his skill because their attention would have been on him, not a misguided cause. This is something alot of ole Players in my RPG tend to forget. Age brings experience. You cannot expect a teenage or young adult mutant to know how to expertly control their powers to the degree you've illustrated. People like the thread author would be what I would call a God Moding Power Role Player who just cannot for the life of him except the limitations on his character in correlation to age and experience.

 

[BMM]

Not to get too escalated with what comic book Iceman is capable of (cause I could go on like this all day), but just like fire needs fuel to burn, water needs cold energy to freeze. The big difference between Iceman and Pyro, is that Pyro needs an artificial source to keep his fire burning, while Iceman has a natural source (his mutant ability) to create his coldness.

Although, it does make me wonder about the nature of Pyro's flames, and how they're fueled. Naturally, flames need a specific amount of fuel to burn, depending on the size of the flames. But in Pyro's case, such as the police standoff at Iceman's house, he only used his lighter to create such a large volume of flame. If any knowledgeable Pyro fan out there is willing to explain how this is possible, I'm all ears.

That's simply Pyro's mutation. He's capable of manipulating fire in all forms--including expanding it, shaping it, sustaining it, etc. I don't know how to explain it anymore than I know how to explain how a woman could control the weather or how a man could make multiple copies of himself. Regardless, Pyro doesn't need an artificial source to keep his fire burning . . . he can sustain it all his own. He simply needs an artificial source to start the fire (hence the X-Jet scene with Magneto in X2). Pyro takes the fire from the lighter and sustains it within his hands without any fuel whatsoever. These pictures (to which you referred) also demonstrate Pyro wielding fire without the use of an artificial source to keep it burning . . . notice the fire isn't even in the same hand as the lighter that was used to simply start it . . . so long as their is an intial source, Pyro has no trouble sustaining it. That's simply the nature of his powers, but I don't know how to explain them.

Besides, if you really want to settle this argument without going in depth regarding Iceman's power control, you only need bring one example to mind--Iceman is capable of controlling the water molecules within a person's body. For instance, he froze Legion (Xavier's son) solid without so much as lifting a finger . . . he essentially froze him from the inside out. Pyro would have a hell of a time scurrying out of that.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Besides, if you really want to settle this argument without going in depth regarding Iceman's power control, you only need bring one example to mind--Iceman is capable of controlling the water molecules within a person's body. For instance, he froze Legion (Xavier's son) solid without so much as lifting a finger . . . he essentially froze him from the inside out. Pyro would have a hell of a time scurrying out of that.

Thanks for the information on Pyro bro.

And believe me, you don't need to preach to the Preacher about what Iceman is capable of doing. I've followed him more than any Marvel character out there. And, I've used that very subject (Legion Quest) in many of my debates.... Ask HandOfFate, Javon and Sebita. There are pages upon pages of posted "Storm vs. Iceman", "Human Torch vs. Iceman" and other Iceman related debates in the "comic" section of this forum.

Never give up... Never give in!!!

 

[PhoenixRising]

Give it up, Iceman should've got his cheating ass kicked. If not by Pyro, then by Rogue.

I wish at the end she would've came back and had really not taken the cure and then let him sleep with her and he would die as soon as he tried to stick it in.

 

[LEX]

LOL.... Nighty-night bro.

Oh, did I write that? Lol, I apologize. Didn't mean it at all.

 

[Kira]

Pyro didn't win for one reason....his ego.

He was overly confident, way too cocky for his own good, and he felt he could defeat Iceman simply by overpowering him with flames. He blew it, made the mistake, and Iceman came out on top.

Agreed. Sadly.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Oh, did I write that? Lol, I apologize. Didn't mean it at all.

Hilarious!!!

 

[LEX]

Hilarious!!!

I get paranoid and highly sensitive when I lack in sleep. Should've went to bed early. Proceed.