racism in hollywood - and how far it has come.

[Spider-Fan83]

basically what it comes down to now a days is that along as you can make them money they don't care what color you are

 

[Lencho01]

Usually as long as that color is white.

 

[Teelie]

Probably because black is seen as the opposite / reverse of white by Westerners.

Plus, the names would be kind of an issue with the other groups mentioned.

I'm a little too drunk right now to say for sure, but this seems like a pretty interesting point.

Minor tweaks wouldn't be a problem. Avoiding using a stereotypical name might be however. Bruce Wang for example is a little too asian.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You could do that too honestly. I think an Asian Bruce Wayne could work just as well as a black or white or whatever ethnicitied Bruce.

but the whole argument of... 'it isn't fair to have so many white superheroes' and the first action taken being to turn them black is just wat I'm saying as unfair. it's a little confusing to explain, wat I am trying to say is, if the argument is that there are just not enough proportionate colored superheroes, it's not fair to always focus on changing them to black while still ignoring all the other races, if that is even a justified reason for any change at all. by the way jaymes, i thought you didn't like this thread

Probably because black is seen as the opposite / reverse of white by Westerners.

Plus, the names would be kind of an issue with the other groups mentioned.

as we discussed pages and pages back, black is a minority, as are all the other races. I don't care wat westerners see it as.

by the way, there is a whole group of brown people (I believe they're called south indians) who are usually given two first (usually western) names. for example, allen abraham. so a brown man with the name bruce wayne would actually be, very fitting.

wats so funny chief? did you not read my op? why not say something back instead of leaving hurtful comments like this?

 

[Chance Jackson]

for so many of you to say making a character from literature like bruce wayne or james bond turned black brings back a few main points from my op. one of them being, that black and white actors have equal opportunities in hollywood.

with that being said, it's pretty much proven with y'all talking and discussing how it would not matter making them black - but if they were to change the character's race, why change it to black? why is that always the first choice of difference? why not change him to be asian? or brown? or hispanic? if we are going to have change at all?

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You could do that too honestly. I think an Asian Bruce Wayne could work just as well as a black or white or whatever ethnicitied Bruce.

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[The Question]

but the whole argument of... 'it isn't fair to have so many white superheroes' and the first action taken being to turn them black is just wat I'm saying as unfair. it's a little confusing to explain, wat I am trying to say is, if the argument is that there are just not enough proportionate colored superheroes, it's not fair to always focus on changing them to black while still ignoring all the other races, if that is even a justified reason for any change at all. by the way jaymes, i thought you didn't like this thread

Well, speaking personally, I haven't exclusively been focusing on African Americans. I've mostly been referring to people of color in general, and not any particular groups. I think I mentioned African Americans and latinos once or twice, but that was just as an example.

 

[Warhammer]

for so many of you to say making a character from literature like bruce wayne or james bond turned black brings back a few main points from my op. one of them being, that black and white actors have equal opportunities in hollywood.

with that being said, it's pretty much proven with y'all talking and discussing how it would not matter making them black - but if they were to change the character's race, why change it to black? why is that always the first choice of difference? why not change him to be asian? or brown? or hispanic? if we are going to have change at all?

I mentioned a black Bond because it's been a popular idea for years. It is also fueled by a number of prominent black, British men in the film industry.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Wait. Are you saying white and black actors have the same opportunities in Hollywood, or that they should have the same opportunities?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Wait. Are you saying white and black actors have the same opportunities in Hollywood, or that they should have the same opportunities?

one of the main points of my op is that black and white actors in hollywood do indeed have equal opportunities, but that is only for non-racial roles, obviously because you can't have a white actor portraying frank lucas. it wasn't always like that but that's how far hollywood has come, but the flipside is that the same cannot be said about other minority actors.

i said it in my op, but i'll just say it again. the example I used was keanu reeves in the matrix. he is of mixed descent but has the appearance of a caucasian man, and that role could have also gone to will smith - clearly pointing to how neo is a non-racial role. there was also a rumor going around that before will smith was cast as robert neville in i am legend, the role was going to go to brad pitt. although I heard that a long time ago, it may not be true, but my opinion stands.

i mean hell, I could definitely be wrong, but even if I am, I don't think I am wrong entirely. there has to be some truth to wat I am saying.

 

[moviedoors]

i mean hell, I could definitely be wrong

You are. Embarrassingly so.

 

[The Question]

http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You are. Embarrassingly so.

I don't think I am wrong entirely, and not embarrassingly so. there has to be some truth to wat I am saying.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

and as george takei even said,

Oh, absolutely not. African-Americans have made enormous advances. There are a whole host of bankable stars who are African-American. Can you name one bankable Asian-American star? No. There isn’t. You have Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson. A whole host of them. One can’t name a single Asian-American whose name you can take to the bank and get a project financed.

how's that for you, moviedoors? am I still embarrassing myself?

 

[DarkSentinel]

I can name three off the top of my head.

Jackie Chan
Jet Li (yes, I know he's "retired." It still counts damn you )
George Takei (at least as far as commercials are concerned )


t:

 

[The Question]

Okay, one East Asian actor who doesn't star in kung fu action movies.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Okay, one East Asian actor who doesn't star in kung fu action movies.

Ken Jeong.

 

[Warhammer]

Ken Jeong.

Ken Jeong is not a bankable star nor does he try to. He's a stand-up comedian and supporting actor.

And about Jackie Chan and Jet Li, they aren't American. They don't count. They also perpetuate the Hollywood stereotype that Asian men can only do martial arts. And I mean that in the most respectful way because they are pioneers.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Just an interesting side note to the discussion here. When Batman Begins came out, my mom bought a bunch of the young kids in the family these cool large sized Batman action figures, Nolan styled. I don't know where she got them from (she lives in the Pocono Mountains btw) but the packaging was all in Spanish except for a part on the back that explained the character in English and Spanish. On the back there, in the Spanish section they referred to Batman not as "Bruce Wayne" but as BRUNO DIAZ even though in the English part they still called him Bruce Wayne. This was odd to me because most every other time I have seen something like Batman translated, like say Superman, they keep the secret ID's as they've always been. Turns out south of the border Bruce has been Bruno for some time.

 

[Lantern Venom]

You could do that too honestly. I think an Asian Bruce Wayne could work just as well as a black or white or whatever ethnicitied Bruce.

Unless a character has a specific ethnicity as part of their character (Black Panther, Red Skull, etc..) it should be irrelevant. You can take most heroes and put them in a different regional/time period/ethnic setting and they work just as well.

 

[moviedoors]

and as george takei even said,

how's that for you, moviedoors? am I still embarrassing myself?

Yes.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yes.

did you even read my whole post? why don't you explain yourself instead of dropping these cheap one liners? because i do not feel the least bit ashamed about anything i've stated

 

[Doctor Evo]

did you even read my whole post?

To be fair, it was really, really poorly written.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

To be fair, it was really, really poorly written.

it was a rebuttal with a quote from an interview. how versed does it have to be

 

[Black Narcissus]

and as george takei even said,


Oh, absolutely not. African-Americans have made enormous advances. There are a whole host of bankable stars who are African-American. Can you name one bankable Asian-American star? No. There isn’t. You have Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson. A whole host of them. One can’t name a single Asian-American whose name you can take to the bank and get a project financed.

how's that for you, moviedoors? am I still embarrassing myself?

Damn Right.

 

[Doctor Evo]

it was a rebuttal with a quote from an interview. how versed does it have to be

Sorry, I thought you were referring to the OP.